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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 23, 2021 21:09:32 GMT
is that right?
I haven't watched since they arrived. Over 9 matches, have they added anything good?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:12:56 GMT
is that right? I haven't watched since they arrived. Over 9 matches, have they added anything good? For a couple of games we pressed and played at a high tempo. Now, we are playing at the same tempo and effectiveness as under Tisdale. Regardless of who is manager this team is poor enough to be relegated despite Widdrington telling us all the opposite. Pep would take this team down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:20:42 GMT
is that right? I haven't watched since they arrived. Over 9 matches, have they added anything good? I’m not watching the games either but we’ve had bad referees, bad linesmen, a bad captain, Jimmy floyd hasselbaink, David hasselhoff, Ben garners pre season, but I’m told Joey and the boys have been wonderful
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Post by richmace on Mar 23, 2021 21:27:40 GMT
To be fair, we have played better under JB (I am not a fanboy).
The results are not coming though.
There are fine margins between wins and losses, and we seem to fall the wrong side of the line. We are not unlucky, the results are just not happening.
The players are giving 100%, creating chances, not scoring and switching off in key defensive positions (tonight is a perfect summary of our season).
There is still time to escape relegation, but it is difficult to see where the goals are coming from.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 22:26:09 GMT
He likes a back three that surrenders the midfield and costs us points. He has not a clue about substitutions. He belittles players in public. The only fear a player should be in is fear of their first team place. Thug managers don’t work.
To be yelled at in dressing room after the last two defeats that were down to his mistakes, it wouldn’t work for me, I would probably do a Shearer to Hoddle.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 24, 2021 7:50:41 GMT
Rodman made a big difference for a few games but got injured yet again. He's a one-man pressing machine who takes games by the scruff of the neck - just what we need right now - but is so injury prone that I'd forgotten he was still on our books. With Nicholson out for the rest of the season it's difficult to see where the impetus is coming from to lift us out of the doldrums. Not from the manager that's for sure.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 8:15:39 GMT
The points return is unacceptable.
Especially considering 4 of those teams against were teams around us and we couldn't register a win.
We've played some of the best passing football in some of the games (I've really liked the Nicholson, Rodman, Westbrooke links), but the lack of finishing, doubled down with the lack of concentration at the back in key moments make this feel like the Mansfield season all over again.
It's something of a mitigating factor we have been without Jaaks, Nicholson, Rodders, Grant, Ogogogo which are good enough for first team consideration, so that's half the team on the bench.
I'm neutral about life under scousemates, but the jury is very much out because I've been less than impressed with what I've seen.
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Post by outwoodgas on Mar 24, 2021 8:55:05 GMT
I truly thought that when Tisdale left to be replaced by Widdrington or whoever we would climb the table. More fool me. After last night I've just accepted that we aren't good enough. In particular, our strikers are so poor that the defenders know that one mistake will lose us the game - and they've all got a mistake in them. Where did it go wrong? Well, we all knew that we needed an experienced striker as soon as JCH left but two windows passed and nobody arrived. Further back though the decision to bring in a young coach on his first managerial assignment halfway through the season and immediately inform a good bunch of over-achieving experienced professionals that the club was going to change course and invest in youth was unbelievably ill-judged. How did we expect the experienced players to react to that! And what about the young starlets we brought in who would either carry us up the table or be sold for huge profits? Harries - wand of a left foot but can't defend; Daly, tries hard but nobody seems to trust him to play upfront. Barrett - simply unfit to be a footballer. Liddle -who?. Westbrooke - a luxury you can't depend on in a scrap. Hanlan - shows glimpses if he can stand up for long enough. Ayunga - raw and not up to League One standard. Tutonda - evidently signed on the strength of one goal in one trial game. Koiki - WTF? Why did we even sign him when we already had three left backs? The only one who just might have scraped into Coughlan's team is Grant - possibly. No wonder we are where we are.
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Post by Delsy on Mar 24, 2021 9:16:29 GMT
To be fair, we have played better under JB (I am not a fanboy). The results are not coming though. There are fine margins between wins and losses, and we seem to fall the wrong side of the line. We are not unlucky, the results are just not happening. The players are giving 100%, creating chances, not scoring and switching off in key defensive positions (tonight is a perfect summary of our season). There is still time to escape relegation, but it is difficult to see where the goals are coming from. There may very well be ' time ' to escape relegation but I think the most optimistic of us now can see that there isn't the ability. The plain and unavoidable fact is that this current crop of players are simply not good enough to compete at third division level and for our CEO to come out and say a few weeks ago that "we have some very good footballers at the club" did make me giggle a little.
Oh well, Div four again for us next season and from my viewpoint I have absolutely no complaints as it will be fully deserved on the level of performances given during this current term. My only regret, if it is a regret is that I wonder if things might of been different if all of us fans had been allowed to attend ! Hey Ho !
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 24, 2021 11:08:49 GMT
All this nonsense about trooper Joey bringing in his own players next season is laughable. That's what they all said about Garner and they gave him ten games to gel what was essentially a whole new set of players. It was that knee-jerk reaction that set us off on this downward spiral in the first place, plus the fact his face didn't fit for our more raucous fans. Now in retrospect we can all see that Garner would most probably have us hovering a good few points above the drop zone by now based on the W D L stats. Bring him back to finish the job he was employed to do and send trooper Joey marching back up north.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:21:39 GMT
I truly thought that when Tisdale left to be replaced by Widdrington or whoever we would climb the table. More fool me. After last night I've just accepted that we aren't good enough. In particular, our strikers are so poor that the defenders know that one mistake will lose us the game - and they've all got a mistake in them. Where did it go wrong? Well, we all knew that we needed an experienced striker as soon as JCH left but two windows passed and nobody arrived. Further back though the decision to bring in a young coach on his first managerial assignment halfway through the season and immediately inform a good bunch of over-achieving experienced professionals that the club was going to change course and invest in youth was unbelievably ill-judged. How did we expect the experienced players to react to that! And what about the young starlets we brought in who would either carry us up the table or be sold for huge profits? Harries - wand of a left foot but can't defend; Daly, tries hard but nobody seems to trust him to play upfront. Barrett - simply unfit to be a footballer. Liddle -who?. Westbrooke - a luxury you can't depend on in a scrap. Hanlan - shows glimpses if he can stand up for long enough. Ayunga - raw and not up to League One standard. Tutonda - evidently signed on the strength of one goal in one trial game. Koiki - WTF? Why did we even sign him when we already had three left backs? The only one who just might have scraped into Coughlan's team is Grant - possibly. No wonder we are where we are. And yet at the time most thought that this was brilliant transfer business! The only question mark was over three designated strikers. But that still wasn’t enough for most gasheads to be begging bookies to take their money for Rovers to get promoted. Sorry guys but if there is one thing Rovers fans (well those on the other forum) know sod all about it’s good footballers. Every window it’s the same. January last year was supposed to be the best window ever because we signed Timmy Abraham and Cían Harries. What a coup for Rovers to sign a prenup under 23 and a youth from Swansea! And then they all turn out to be s**t. Honestly, I still recall my mate telling me we were going to sign Garner. I only knew the name because a poster on Gaschat had plucked it from obscurity as a sort of “I know this stuff better than you” way. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry that Wael was handing a side chasing promotion to a guy who was last seen as assistant manager of Kolkata Tigers or whoever it was. It seemed like a segment from Beadle’s about rather than the actions of a so-called professional club and yet the Gasheads lapped it up, always wanting him to have 10 more games because he was bound to come good. Jesus wept. In many ways we have got exactly what we deserve for being so accepting of every bad decision this club has made since December 21st 2019 at 5pm. That was the day the music died.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:32:37 GMT
All this nonsense about trooper Joey bringing in his own players next season is laughable. That's what they all said about Garner and they gave him ten games to gel what was essentially a whole new set of players. It was that knee-jerk reaction that set us off on this downward spiral in the first place, plus the fact his face face didn't fit for our more raucous fans. Now in retrospect we can all see that Garner would most probably have us hovering a good few points above the drop zone by now based on the W D L stats. Bring him back to finish the job he was employed to do and send trooper Joey marching back up north. I don’t think B***** validates Garner at all. If Garner was some latent footballing genius you’d expect to see him managing again at some point wouldn’t you? I’d bet my life savings that he will never manage again in the football league. Chairmen across the land will look at the trouble we are in now and how it all stemmed from the hiring of a man who took a winning team and dismantled it so successfully that we are certainties for relegation. Don’t forget also that Garner had the luxury of a decent goalkeeper which undoubtedly bolstered his points total somewhat. He assembled defenders that couldn’t defend and strikers that couldn’t score. Bristol rovers have definitely ended Garner’s managerial career and might very well have ended Tisdale and B*****’s too. Three poor hires, one at leisure at two in desperation.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 24, 2021 14:15:20 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. What I'm saying is, if they'd left Garner in place we'd be in a better place in the league. With Tisdale I think it was a case of never go back. He'd left the dugout to take up football consultancy and regretted coming back to it almost instantly. Joseph B***** fancies himself as a firefighter type of manager like Pulis and Allardyce but is learning a harsh lesson. Seven defeats from ten games come Saturday evening and he gets to stay and rebuild? Only at Rovers. These two were a complete waste of time and money because Widdrington had a knee-jerk.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 14:20:06 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. I actually thought the sale was good business by the club. It was fair money for a player whom would go on the sick at some point, and could have gone for a free in a few months time anyway... What happened after was the true crime.....non credible replacement. Therein lies one of major problems as to why we are where we are...
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 24, 2021 14:33:50 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. I actually thought the sale was good business by the club. It was fair money for a player whom would go on the sick at some point, and could have gone for a free in a few months time anyway... What happened after was the true crime.....non credible replacement. Therein lies one of major problems as to why we are where we are... Therein lies the crux of the matter. JCH was probably already on the selling list after his goals shot us up the league, which is probably what GC meant with his "can't take the club any further". The rest of the team weren't up to his standard but latched onto the all hands to the wheel football advocated by GC.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 14:42:22 GMT
I actually thought the sale was good business by the club. It was fair money for a player whom would go on the sick at some point, and could have gone for a free in a few months time anyway... What happened after was the true crime.....non credible replacement. Therein lies one of major problems as to why we are where we are... Therein lies the crux of the matter. JCH was probably already on the selling list after his goals shot us up the league, which is probably what GC meant with his "can't take the club any further". The rest of the team weren't up to his standard but latched onto the all hands to the wheel football advocated by GC. TBF, we've always been a selling club. I accept that, as difficult as it might be to say goodbye to players (especially where they move on to), I accept we are about development and sales, but that's not an excuse to turn it into a non buying club. We needed a credible replacement. Not sure about that GC comment.... something happened, it felt like at the time he'd done the dirty on us, so not sure whether that quote is valid? It might be, I'm just saying he was off and negotiating his own bed behind our backs for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 14:59:21 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. What I'm saying is, if they'd left Garner in place we'd be in a better place in the league. With Tisdale I think it was a case of never go back. He'd left the dugout to take up football consultancy and regretted coming back to it almost instantly. Joseph B***** fancies himself as a firefighter type of manager like Pulis and Allardyce but is learning a harsh lesson. Seven defeats from ten games come Saturday evening and he gets to stay and rebuild? Only at Rovers. These two were a complete waste of time and money because Widdrington had a knee-jerk. Agree with a lot of that but for me Garner might have got a few more points but firing him was the right answer. I’ve said it til I was blue in the face on the other forum but any professional enterprise would have recognised the Garner disaster for what it was and stepped back and taken stock. We’d gone on a hell of a poor run, an unacceptable run. Things weren’t working. It was only November and we had time have a root and branch review of the mistakes that lead to Garner and to make a considered appointment with a long term view to continue this DNA approach. But noooo, no sooner was Garner out the door than Wael was waving his knickers at Tisdale, a guy with a pretty ropey pedigree at league one level, out of the game for a year. A bit old, too set in his ways, out of the game for a year and maybe yesterday’s man. My appraisal wasn’t wrong. From what I understand a key problem at Rovers is that both Garner and Tisdale had previously come in for an interview and were unsuccessful. So when Coughlan left the board’s imagination and root and branch unearthing of the best man for the job only extended as far as candidates previously considered not good enough. They obviously considered Tisdale as not good enough as Garner! This is despite Starnes saying they would conduct a full application process on the Monday then by Tuesday afternoon Tisdale was in post. Given all the above is it any wonder we then found ourselves abandoning the DNA and hiring, in desperation, the first man we could find who had won a few games? None of the three managers we have hired this season were up to it and our failure to conduct any sort of introspection is so shoddy and unprofessional that it beggars belief. Just imagine if Wael had a modicum or business sense to go with all that money...
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Post by knowall on Mar 24, 2021 16:16:05 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. What I'm saying is, if they'd left Garner in place we'd be in a better place in the league. With Tisdale I think it was a case of never go back. He'd left the dugout to take up football consultancy and regretted coming back to it almost instantly. Joseph B***** fancies himself as a firefighter type of manager like Pulis and Allardyce but is learning a harsh lesson. Seven defeats from ten games come Saturday evening and he gets to stay and rebuild? Only at Rovers. These two were a complete waste of time and money because Widdrington had a knee-jerk.Are you sure that is what you meant?
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Post by knowall on Mar 24, 2021 16:18:33 GMT
The only real dismantling was the selling of Clarke-Harris, the man who shot us up the table. It wasn't the team as such. I actually thought the sale was good business by the club. It was fair money for a player whom would go on the sick at some point, and could have gone for a free in a few months time anyway... What happened after was the true crime.....non credible replacement. Therein lies one of major problems as to why we are where we are... But we needed the money and still do - all donations gratefully received
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 27, 2021 18:34:35 GMT
now lost 7, drawn 1, won 2 with 'the right group of players'
that's materially worse than Ben Garner or Tis, isn't it?
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