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Mar 20, 2021 9:10:21 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Mar 20, 2021 9:10:21 GMT
Isn't it funny how continental Europe keep trying to discredit the Oxford vaccine. It's so blatantly clear that's it's a classic diversionary tactic aimed at covering up their own failings in keeping their populations safe and to avoid the public wising up to the ineptitude of the EU. So many are being fooled. Glad to be free from their bureaucracy and lies It's quite incredible listening to things here in Germany. They have managed to convince the general public that going slow with the vaccines was actually planned and that the reason they appear to be slow is that they (the government) want to make sure that everything is safe for the public. It is only the government's concern for the people's safety. I'm not joking, and people (including my missus) think that the German government are looking after them ! It's always been a bit of a paradox for me. Germany is an efficient, proud and independent nation (I'm a massive fan). I guess in part for making up for two world wars they placed themselves at the centre (indeed some would say have ultimate control) of the EU. I don't mean that as a criticism. But surely they would be better off on their own, rather than be handicapped by southern & eastern Europe, and shackled to France as the main 'partner' in this experiment? Is that sort of view reflected in the German media? What does Das Bild have to say? Eisern Union. (No pun intended).
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Mar 20, 2021 12:41:52 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 20, 2021 12:41:52 GMT
Just what is going on within the EU? They are sat on millions of doses of AZ vaccine that they are not using, yet appear to want to start trouble over getting supplies of that vaccine from the UK! Is it just a deflection technique to take people's attention away from the shambles of their own making? Cases in most countries over here are rising. Countries like Poland and Italy are closing down again and I can tell you now that from speaking to friends here in Germany they don't want the AZ vaccine. The hatchet job on the vaccine by the politicians is complete, so why are they threatening chaos over it? "From The Times. "The European Union is preparing to use emergency powers to grab “Europe’s fair share” of vaccines from Britain including export bans, the seizure of factories and overriding patents on the Oxford-AstraZeneca jabs. Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission president, said she was no longer prepared for vaccines made in the EU to be exported to Britain while Europe faces shortages of the critical medicines. To ensure supplies, the German EU chief warned that Brussels is ready to trigger an emergency treaty clause allowing the commission quasi-wartime powers to confiscate production plants and to tear up patent controls over medicines." Don't they realise that just by threatening this action against companies that are fulfilling their legal contractual obligations it is just storing up trouble for themselves in the future? I think large multi-nationals will be thinking twice about placing future production work in the EU. Apparently the raw materials for the Pfizer Biontech vaccine is manufactured here in the UK and exported to the EU for the production process to make the finished serum. I wonder if Boris will have a quiet word in that silly bitch’s ear and advise her that if they block legally contracted vaccines being exported to us they’ll very soon have no raw material from which to manufacture the stuff? Just imagine, there are still traitors in this country saying we should remain a member of that desperately crooked organisation!
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Mar 20, 2021 12:48:21 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 20, 2021 12:48:21 GMT
The EU threaten to stop the UK recieving AZ vaccine.At the same time saying it may not be safe,causing blood clots. Macron is a nasty piece of work.He may now of convinced many French - and people from other EU countries - that the AZ vaccine is not safe,not to be trusted. How many will die because of VDL,Macron and Co! The EU have politicised the whole thing and almost certainly at the expense of perhaps many European peoples lives. I hope the medical powers that be,will tomorrow confirm the AZ vaccine is fine and safe. It is to GB’s advantage for us to get back to full work with an immunised population before the rest of Europe. In that way we can steal a march on our EU competitors and start selling more goods to the rest of the world while the EU is still disappearing up it’s own arse over the vaccine. Of course, once they see how successful we are they will start their stupid games, putting obstacles in our way, led by that arsehole Macron. I’m afraid we will always have problems with them, and we need to circumnavigate trade with the EU by buying and selling with the rest of the world.
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Mar 20, 2021 13:18:55 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 20, 2021 13:18:55 GMT
The EU threaten to stop the UK recieving AZ vaccine.At the same time saying it may not be safe,causing blood clots. Macron is a nasty piece of work.He may now of convinced many French - and people from other EU countries - that the AZ vaccine is not safe,not to be trusted. How many will die because of VDL,Macron and Co! The EU have politicised the whole thing and almost certainly at the expense of perhaps many European peoples lives. I hope the medical powers that be,will tomorrow confirm the AZ vaccine is fine and safe. It is to GB’s advantage for us to get back to full work with an immunised population before the rest of Europe. In that way we can steal a march on our EU competitors and start selling more goods to the rest of the world while the EU is still disappearing up it’s own arse over the vaccine. Of course, once they see how successful we are they will start their stupid games, putting obstacles in our way, led by that arsehole Macron. I’m afraid we will always have problems with them, and we need to circumnavigate trade with the EU by buying and selling with the rest of the world. That's of course if it is true they are the only ones playing games. The UK is the country that enshrined in law an ability to break an international treaty. And so you don't want to trade with one of the world's largest trading markets right on our doorstep? I suppose the Faroe Islands will make up for the lost EU trade and the billions of funding moved to Amsterdam, Dublin, Frankfurt etc....
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Mar 20, 2021 13:58:27 GMT
Post by Rex on Mar 20, 2021 13:58:27 GMT
Just what is going on within the EU? They are sat on millions of doses of AZ vaccine that they are not using, yet appear to want to start trouble over getting supplies of that vaccine from the UK! Is it just a deflection technique to take people's attention away from the shambles of their own making? Cases in most countries over here are rising. Countries like Poland and Italy are closing down again and I can tell you now that from speaking to friends here in Germany they don't want the AZ vaccine. The hatchet job on the vaccine by the politicians is complete, so why are they threatening chaos over it? "From The Times. "The European Union is preparing to use emergency powers to grab “Europe’s fair share” of vaccines from Britain including export bans, the seizure of factories and overriding patents on the Oxford-AstraZeneca jabs. Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission president, said she was no longer prepared for vaccines made in the EU to be exported to Britain while Europe faces shortages of the critical medicines. To ensure supplies, the German EU chief warned that Brussels is ready to trigger an emergency treaty clause allowing the commission quasi-wartime powers to confiscate production plants and to tear up patent controls over medicines." Don't they realise that just by threatening this action against companies that are fulfilling their legal contractual obligations it is just storing up trouble for themselves in the future? I think large multi-nationals will be thinking twice about placing future production work in the EU. Apparently the raw materials for the Pfizer Biontech vaccine is manufactured here in the UK and exported to the EU for the production process to make the finished serum. I wonder if Boris will have a quiet word in that silly bitch’s ear and advise her that if they block legally contracted vaccines being exported to us they’ll very soon have no raw material from which to manufacture the stuff? Just imagine, there are still traitors in this country saying we should remain a member of that desperately crooked organisation!
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Mar 21, 2021 10:57:20 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 21, 2021 10:57:20 GMT
It is to GB’s advantage for us to get back to full work with an immunised population before the rest of Europe. In that way we can steal a march on our EU competitors and start selling more goods to the rest of the world while the EU is still disappearing up it’s own arse over the vaccine. Of course, once they see how successful we are they will start their stupid games, putting obstacles in our way, led by that arsehole Macron. I’m afraid we will always have problems with them, and we need to circumnavigate trade with the EU by buying and selling with the rest of the world. That's of course if it is true they are the only ones playing games. The UK is the country that enshrined in law an ability to break an international treaty. And so you don't want to trade with one of the world's largest trading markets right on our doorstep? I suppose the Faroe Islands will make up for the lost EU trade and the billions of funding moved to Amsterdam, Dublin, Frankfurt etc.... Errr, the Faroe Islands belong to Denmark and ummm, Denmark is in the EU.
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Mar 21, 2021 11:01:34 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 21, 2021 11:01:34 GMT
Yea, but as said previously, a politically motivated lobster fisherman couldn't get himself organised to have the correct forms completed in good time, then his local Labour Council were 'shut' on the first day that the forms were required and hadn't put a copy on their website. (Labour, remember them, the party that wanted to renegotiate our agreement with the EU, then come back and campaign against their own new agreement in a second referendum) So leaving the EU has been a catastrophe. If the German, Italian, Dutch, French, Spanish, Portuguese equivalents of Farage can't use this vaccine farce and the deaths Brussels are likely to be causing as a springboard to get referendums on EU membership in their own countries then they aren't trying very hard at all. If you’ve got a minute go over to the other place and have a look at the Brexit wins, add yours here. Towards the end of the thread that Bell Yatton is having another pop at you. I tried to put him straight but he totally ignored me.
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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 21, 2021 11:18:37 GMT
That's of course if it is true they are the only ones playing games. The UK is the country that enshrined in law an ability to break an international treaty. And so you don't want to trade with one of the world's largest trading markets right on our doorstep? I suppose the Faroe Islands will make up for the lost EU trade and the billions of funding moved to Amsterdam, Dublin, Frankfurt etc.... Errr, the Faroe Islands belong to Denmark and ummm, Denmark is in the EU. The Faroes is a third country. It is self governed and didnt join the EU when Denmark did
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Mar 21, 2021 11:21:02 GMT
Post by Rex on Mar 21, 2021 11:21:02 GMT
Errr, the Faroe Islands belong to Denmark and ummm, Denmark is in the EU. The Faroes is a third country. It is self governed and didnt join the EU when Denmark did There you go with all your fancy book reading, learning and stuff.
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Mar 21, 2021 11:53:22 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 21, 2021 11:53:22 GMT
That's of course if it is true they are the only ones playing games. The UK is the country that enshrined in law an ability to break an international treaty. And so you don't want to trade with one of the world's largest trading markets right on our doorstep? I suppose the Faroe Islands will make up for the lost EU trade and the billions of funding moved to Amsterdam, Dublin, Frankfurt etc.... Errr, the Faroe Islands belong to Denmark and ummm, Denmark is in the EU. 'The Faroe Islands are a self-governing nation with a high degree of autonomy encompassed by the external sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark...The Faroes Islands have the exclusive right to legislate and govern independently in a wide range of areas, including; the conservation and management of living marine resources within the 200-mile fisheries zone, protection of the environment, sub-surface resources, trade, fiscal and industrial relations, taxation and customs, energy, transport, communications, social security, culture, education and research...Faroese autonomy in foreign relations is provided for by a treaty between the Faroe Islands and Denmark, the Foreign Policy Act from 2005... The Foreign Policy Act gives full powers to the Government of the Faroes to negotiate and conclude agreements under international law on behalf of the Kingdom of Denmark where such agreements relate solely to matters that have been fully transferred to the Faroese Authorities.'
www.faroeislands.fo/government-politics/government-politics/The Faroes operates autonomously under the protection of Denmark. You will recall no doubt that the UK lauded a world beating Trade Agreement with the Faroe Islands which was one of the first post EU.
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Mar 21, 2021 13:08:40 GMT
Post by TheThinWhiteDuke on Mar 21, 2021 13:08:40 GMT
It's going to take some time to fully untangle over 40 years of integration with the EU and for new trade relationships to bed in, we'll see where we are in a few years, and where the EU are, if the organisation even exists in any way that's recognisable to how it is today.
As said previously, I'm certain that if a referendum on membership were held tomorrow in each country that is a fiscal nett contributor, the result would be 'Leave'.
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Mar 21, 2021 15:16:22 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 21, 2021 15:16:22 GMT
It's going to take some time to fully untangle over 40 years of integration with the EU and for new trade relationships to bed in, we'll see where we are in a few years, and where the EU are, if the organisation even exists in any way that's recognisable to how it is today. As said previously, I'm certain that if a referendum on membership were held tomorrow in each country that is a fiscal nett contributor, the result would be 'Leave'. Absolutely this. There is going to be a lot of difficult situations to overcome in our untangling from the EU. I’m afraid that most of those problems will be created by the EU because they are furious that we voted to then actually left, and are despe4ate to make an example of us to frighten any other country away from leaving. We can already see this in action with their posturing over vaccines and the difficulties they are causing our fishing industry and enforcement of every little regulation with regard to N Ireland and at the channel ports. I am sure that if other countries under the heel of the EU see us being successful and trading freely around the world they will start to wonder at the point of having to accept the rule of an undemocratic, unelected blood-sucking leeching organisation like the EU.
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Mar 21, 2021 16:50:47 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Mar 21, 2021 16:50:47 GMT
It's quite incredible listening to things here in Germany. They have managed to convince the general public that going slow with the vaccines was actually planned and that the reason they appear to be slow is that they (the government) want to make sure that everything is safe for the public. It is only the government's concern for the people's safety. I'm not joking, and people (including my missus) think that the German government are looking after them ! It's always been a bit of a paradox for me. Germany is an efficient, proud and independent nation (I'm a massive fan). I guess in part for making up for two world wars they placed themselves at the centre (indeed some would say have ultimate control) of the EU. I don't mean that as a criticism. But surely they would be better off on their own, rather than be handicapped by southern & eastern Europe, and shackled to France as the main 'partner' in this experiment? Is that sort of view reflected in the German media? What does Das Bild have to say? Eisern Union. (No pun intended). Merkel made the decision very early on that Germany could not go it alone. The Germans are well aware that they are the most prosperous nation in the EU, and they decided it would not look good for European unity if they struck out on their own and left the rest behind. They were basically managing their image. They have to be 'shackled to France'. It's a guilt thing left over from WW2. The media did turn against the government a few weeks back, which was very unusual, but it was short-lived. Das Bild are probably the main media outlet that constantly criticizes the German Government. In general, the German media tend to keep very quiet about things. Most Germans have no idea of the threats being made by the EU. It's just not reported by the MSM. The angle that they give out is that the EU are doing everything they can to protect the people. However, it is worth noting that the things the Germans are famous for, like organisation, efficiency, professionalism etc are now working against them. The slowness of the vaccine roll-out can be put down to many things, but the number one thing I can see is the fact that they cannot be flexible. They have their medical outlets, their doctors, nurses etc, and it appears that these are the only people who can provide a service regarding vaccinations. They expect that GP's (called House Doctor's over here) may be able to give injections starting in mis-April. It's still being discussed. They have their health system, and they expected that health system to deliver mass vaccination. There has been no 'out of the box' thinking, because that is a concept that Germans struggle to comprehend. I know I may be generalizing a bit here, but that's how I see things.
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Mar 23, 2021 11:22:53 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Mar 23, 2021 11:22:53 GMT
It's always been a bit of a paradox for me. Germany is an efficient, proud and independent nation (I'm a massive fan). I guess in part for making up for two world wars they placed themselves at the centre (indeed some would say have ultimate control) of the EU. I don't mean that as a criticism. But surely they would be better off on their own, rather than be handicapped by southern & eastern Europe, and shackled to France as the main 'partner' in this experiment? Is that sort of view reflected in the German media? What does Das Bild have to say? Eisern Union. (No pun intended). Merkel made the decision very early on that Germany could not go it alone. The Germans are well aware that they are the most prosperous nation in the EU, and they decided it would not look good for European unity if they struck out on their own and left the rest behind. They were basically managing their image. They have to be 'shackled to France'. It's a guilt thing left over from WW2. The media did turn against the government a few weeks back, which was very unusual, but it was short-lived. Das Bild are probably the main media outlet that constantly criticizes the German Government. In general, the German media tend to keep very quiet about things. Most Germans have no idea of the threats being made by the EU. It's just not reported by the MSM. The angle that they give out is that the EU are doing everything they can to protect the people. However, it is worth noting that the things the Germans are famous for, like organisation, efficiency, professionalism etc are now working against them. The slowness of the vaccine roll-out can be put down to many things, but the number one thing I can see is the fact that they cannot be flexible. They have their medical outlets, their doctors, nurses etc, and it appears that these are the only people who can provide a service regarding vaccinations. They expect that GP's (called House Doctor's over here) may be able to give injections starting in mis-April. It's still being discussed. They have their health system, and they expected that health system to deliver mass vaccination. There has been no 'out of the box' thinking, because that is a concept that Germans struggle to comprehend. I know I may be generalizing a bit here, but that's how I see things. A very interesting insight into Germany and Germanic culture - much appreciated. On a wider level (not just vaccine related), do Germans still fully embrace the EU? Sounds like 'the establishment' are still behind the project, and their MSM isn't anywhere as critical as ours is in the UK. Will the EU bungled procurement and roll out of the vaccine be a metaphor for it's long term economic efficiency? I just wonder if eventually Germany will realise that it's better off going on it's own. They could then join us in the sunlit uplands. I'd like that.
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Mar 23, 2021 12:12:00 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Mar 23, 2021 12:12:00 GMT
Merkel made the decision very early on that Germany could not go it alone. The Germans are well aware that they are the most prosperous nation in the EU, and they decided it would not look good for European unity if they struck out on their own and left the rest behind. They were basically managing their image. They have to be 'shackled to France'. It's a guilt thing left over from WW2. The media did turn against the government a few weeks back, which was very unusual, but it was short-lived. Das Bild are probably the main media outlet that constantly criticizes the German Government. In general, the German media tend to keep very quiet about things. Most Germans have no idea of the threats being made by the EU. It's just not reported by the MSM. The angle that they give out is that the EU are doing everything they can to protect the people. However, it is worth noting that the things the Germans are famous for, like organisation, efficiency, professionalism etc are now working against them. The slowness of the vaccine roll-out can be put down to many things, but the number one thing I can see is the fact that they cannot be flexible. They have their medical outlets, their doctors, nurses etc, and it appears that these are the only people who can provide a service regarding vaccinations. They expect that GP's (called House Doctor's over here) may be able to give injections starting in mis-April. It's still being discussed. They have their health system, and they expected that health system to deliver mass vaccination. There has been no 'out of the box' thinking, because that is a concept that Germans struggle to comprehend. I know I may be generalizing a bit here, but that's how I see things. A very interesting insight into Germany and Germanic culture - much appreciated. On a wider level (not just vaccine related), do Germans still fully embrace the EU? Sounds like 'the establishment' are still behind the project, and their MSM isn't anywhere as critical as ours is in the UK. Will the EU bungled procurement and roll out of the vaccine be a metaphor for it's long term economic efficiency? I just wonder if eventually Germany will realise that it's better off going on it's own. They could then join us in the sunlit uplands. I'd like that. The German establishment are fully behind the EU, after all Germany basically controls the EU. The MSM here are also very much supportive of the government. Sure, there are some dissenting voices in the MSM, like Bild, but generally a lot of things don't get reported. For example, remember the mass sexual assaults that happed in Köln on New Years Eve a few years ago. The MSM sat on the story for three days before the details started to emerge on social media. Both the tv and print media knew all the details but didn't report it as it 'wasn't in the public interest' at the time, as the assaults were carried out by migrants and these were stories that were being repressed. Migrants committing crime was not a story that the government wanted the people to hear about. Eventually, the MSM had to report it. The bungled vaccine roll-out is being reported as a success. The Germans are well aware that it is slow, but the message from the authorities is that it is slow because they want to make sure it is safe for the people. The initial issue that stopped AZ being given to over 65's was all because the government wanted to protect the people. The same with the blood clot issue. My wife is convinced that the government are doing all they can to protect her, and these delays actually show that the government care. As for the vaccine it is now quite obvious what has happened. The EU took on the procurement role, and a decision was taken somewhere, probably between Merkel and Macron, to keep things European. They wanted a European success story. The main EU orders for vaccines went to BioTech (German) and Sanofi (French). The Sanofi order was for 400 million doses. They also placed smaller orders with AZ, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. However, the Sanofi order went tits up. This caused panic within the EU which has led to their dependence on the AZ vaccine. The need for the AZ vaccine is now paramount after the Sanofi failure. This was not meant to be the case. This can be shown by the loose contract the EU have with AZ. The AZ vaccine was only ever meant to be a backup.
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Mar 24, 2021 9:00:50 GMT
Post by towngas on Mar 24, 2021 9:00:50 GMT
A very interesting insight into Germany and Germanic culture - much appreciated. On a wider level (not just vaccine related), do Germans still fully embrace the EU? Sounds like 'the establishment' are still behind the project, and their MSM isn't anywhere as critical as ours is in the UK. Will the EU bungled procurement and roll out of the vaccine be a metaphor for it's long term economic efficiency? I just wonder if eventually Germany will realise that it's better off going on it's own. They could then join us in the sunlit uplands. I'd like that. The German establishment are fully behind the EU, after all Germany basically controls the EU. The MSM here are also very much supportive of the government. Sure, there are some dissenting voices in the MSM, like Bild, but generally a lot of things don't get reported. For example, remember the mass sexual assaults that happed in Köln on New Years Eve a few years ago. The MSM sat on the story for three days before the details started to emerge on social media. Both the tv and print media knew all the details but didn't report it as it 'wasn't in the public interest' at the time, as the assaults were carried out by migrants and these were stories that were being repressed. Migrants committing crime was not a story that the government wanted the people to hear about. Eventually, the MSM had to report it. The bungled vaccine roll-out is being reported as a success. The Germans are well aware that it is slow, but the message from the authorities is that it is slow because they want to make sure it is safe for the people. The initial issue that stopped AZ being given to over 65's was all because the government wanted to protect the people. The same with the blood clot issue. My wife is convinced that the government are doing all they can to protect her, and these delays actually show that the government care. As for the vaccine it is now quite obvious what has happened. The EU took on the procurement role, and a decision was taken somewhere, probably between Merkel and Macron, to keep things European. They wanted a European success story. The main EU orders for vaccines went to BioTech (German) and Sanofi (French). The Sanofi order was for 400 million doses. They also placed smaller orders with AZ, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. However, the Sanofi order went tits up. This caused panic within the EU which has led to their dependence on the AZ vaccine. The need for the AZ vaccine is now paramount after the Sanofi failure. This was not meant to be the case. This can be shown by the loose contract the EU have with AZ. The AZ vaccine was only ever meant to be a backup. Slightly worrying in a way and shows that the German people haven’t really changed. Their MSM seem very compliant with the governments wishes, this isn’t good because it allows the government to control what the people hear. Someone else in Germany took advantage of this some 90 years ago. I’m not saying anything like that is happening again, but I’m glad we have our totally(by comparison) free MSM who are vigorous in rooting out facts others would rather keep hidden. The press etc have their faults, but I’d rather live in a society which freely questions and holds those in authority to account.
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Mar 24, 2021 9:13:07 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Mar 24, 2021 9:13:07 GMT
There was an incident, which off the top of my head happened around October last year, where a man of a certain faith stabbed two people in Dresden. I had read about it being reported on the BBC or Sky or somewhere British. Anyway, she didn't believe me. Why not? Because it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the German MSM. Not in any newspaper, nor tv news. As far as she was concerned the British press were making the story up.
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Mar 24, 2021 11:06:02 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Mar 24, 2021 11:06:02 GMT
There was an incident, which off the top of my head happened around October last year, where a man of a certain faith stabbed two people in Dresden. I had read about it being reported on the BBC or Sky or somewhere British. Anyway, she didn't believe me. Why not? Because it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the German MSM. Not in any newspaper, nor tv news. As far as she was concerned the British press were making the story up. I was going to say something along the lines of towngas. But backed off because I couldn't think of a way of expressing myself without coming across as some kind of nutter equating present day Germany to the days of the Third Reich. However seeing that response, it does make me wonder that perhaps the Germanic culture is just more compliant and/or obedient to the 'establishment' and far less questioning and critical than our own.
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 24, 2021 11:52:26 GMT
There was an incident, which off the top of my head happened around October last year, where a man of a certain faith stabbed two people in Dresden. I had read about it being reported on the BBC or Sky or somewhere British. Anyway, she didn't believe me. Why not? Because it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the German MSM. Not in any newspaper, nor tv news. As far as she was concerned the British press were making the story up. I was going to say something along the lines of towngas. But backed off because I couldn't think of a way of expressing myself without coming across as some kind of nutter equating present day Germany to the days of the Third Reich. However seeing that response, it does make me wonder that perhaps the Germanic culture is just more compliant and/or obedient to the 'establishment' and far less questioning and critical than our own. No, you cannot equate current Germany to the Third Reich. However, living here I can understand how this country ended up following Hitler, especially as to how they are easily manipulated by the media. Germans are strange. Here is something I only found out last week. If terrorists were to hi-jack an aeroplane, with the intention of crashing it into a packed football stadium, then the German authorities would NOT shoot it down. It's something to do with everyone has the right to life, even terrorists. I find that incredible. This came after they did uncover a plot to fly a small aircraft into the Bayern Munich stadium (back in those good ole days when crowds were allowed in). The traffic light analogy is a good one. When a German attempts to cross the road, and the Red Man is displayed, they will stop. There may not be a car in sight anywhere. The road could be empty, but they will wait for the Green Man to come on before crossing. They are conditioned to follow orders. Red Man says stop, so they stop. A British person in the same instance would probably look up and down the road, see no cars in sight, and cross the road. They would make their own decision based on what they see. A German would not be happy making that decision. I may not be explaining this very well but I'm sure you get my drift. The Germans like to be controlled and told what to do. The British tend to be more free thinking.
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