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Post by alanrg on Mar 17, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
Relegated in 2001 2011 2021 ? is history going 2 repeat itself
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 12:16:25 GMT
We're the Spurs of the lower Leagues.
Poorly run club with a trophy allergy and a fixation with years that end '01'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 12:21:29 GMT
We're the Spurs of the lower Leagues. Poorly run club with a trophy allergy and a fixation with years that end '01'. And big debts due to grand stadium projects, although with one noticeable difference |
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Mar 17, 2021 12:26:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 12:26:01 GMT
We're the Spurs of the lower Leagues. Poorly run club with a trophy allergy and a fixation with years that end '01'. And big debts due to grand stadium projects, although with one noticeable difference Their stadium is fantastic, painful to admit, but it's probably the best in the UK. Shame they have a manager who still thinks it's 2005. It's quite an achievement having a front line of Kane, Bale and Son, setting out to play on the break and still being easy to defend against. In fact, it's close to being a 'special' achievement being quite that bad. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 17, 2021 14:40:09 GMT
Relegated in 2001 2011 2021 ? is history going 2 repeat itself Losing Curo/Roberts with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18months, 2001 relegation. Losing Lambo with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18month, 2011 relegation. Losing JCH with no replacement, not even credible, well done BG no previous lessons learned. Consequently within less than a year..... It's not scientific, but there's something there. It's partly our own fault. We have on previous 2 occasions assembled a poor squad, and not replaced the goals..... |
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 17, 2021 18:45:09 GMT
We're the Spurs of the lower Leagues. Poorly run club with a trophy allergy and a fixation with years that end '01'. Relegated also 1961/2 as well |
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Post by trymer on Mar 17, 2021 19:38:52 GMT
Relegated from division 2 in 1981 ?
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Mar 17, 2021 20:07:36 GMT
Post by The Concept on Mar 17, 2021 20:07:36 GMT
Relegated in 2001 2011 2021 ? is history going 2 repeat itself Losing Curo/Roberts with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18months, 2001 relegation. Losing Lambo with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18month, 2011 relegation. Losing JCH with no replacement, not even credible, well done BG no previous lessons learned. Consequently within less than a year..... It's not scientific, but there's something there. It's partly our own fault. We have on previous 2 occasions assembled a poor squad, and not replaced the goals..... Ah, this "We never replaced ... " thing again. I've never subscribed to it. First of all how do you replace the players you mention? Lambo moves on, just how do you get a ready made replacement who will hit the ground running? All the players you mention we had no idea how well they'd get on. None of them came to us with an amazing reputation, but they all left with one - we took a punt on them. Roberts - There was no indication he would turn into being a striker defences couldn't handle, and would go on to play in the top flight. Didn't arrive with a free-scoring reputation. Didn't score in his first 9 games for us! Lambo - There was talk when he joined that he scored a fair number for a midfielder, but also talk this was mainly penalties and free-kicks. He took a while to get into his stride for us. Lots of talk in his first season with us he was too similar to partner Walks, slower than Walks, and certainly played second fiddle to walks - but boy he proved lots wrong. Gradually improved his confidence over time and the goals started coming. JCH - Bit of a gamble. Been quite a journeyman for someone his age, lots of loan spells, nothing approaching prolific before he joined us. I don't think anyone would have thought he'd score the number, or type, of goals he scored for us. So we took a gamble on those former Rovers stars, and we've taken a gamble on strikers since. We had no idea they'd be the success they were, and we've no idea whether the strikers since will. And who is to say, based on the time others took to get going, that BH or JA won't end up doing the same and becoming the next to be the "We never replaced...". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 20:30:39 GMT
Losing Curo/Roberts with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18months, 2001 relegation. Losing Lambo with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18month, 2011 relegation. Losing JCH with no replacement, not even credible, well done BG no previous lessons learned. Consequently within less than a year..... It's not scientific, but there's something there. It's partly our own fault. We have on previous 2 occasions assembled a poor squad, and not replaced the goals..... Ah, this "We never replaced ... " thing again. I've never subscribed to it. First of all how do you replace the players you mention? Lambo moves on, just how do you get a ready made replacement who will hit the ground running? All the players you mention we had no idea how well they'd get on. None of them came to us with an amazing reputation, but they all left with one - we took a punt on them. Roberts - There was no indication he would turn into being a striker defences couldn't handle, and would go on to play in the top flight. Didn't arrive with a free-scoring reputation. Didn't score in his first 9 games for us! Lambo - There was talk when he joined that he scored a fair number for a midfielder, but also talk this was mainly penalties and free-kicks. He took a while to get into his stride for us. Lots of talk in his first season with us he was too similar to partner Walks, slower than Walks, and certainly played second fiddle to walks - but boy he proved lots wrong. Gradually improved his confidence over time and the goals started coming. JCH - Bit of a gamble. Been quite a journeyman for someone his age, lots of loan spells, nothing approaching prolific before he joined us. I don't think anyone would have thought he'd score the number, or type, of goals he scored for us. So we took a gamble on those former Rovers stars, and we've taken a gamble on strikers since. We had no idea they'd be the success they were, and we've no idea whether the strikers since will. And who is to say, based on the time others took to get going, that BH or JA won't end up doing the same and becoming the next to be the "We never replaced...". Agree with this, there are plenty of strikers we did replace and the gamble paid off. Ie. Hayles then Roberts, Agogo then Lambert. I think the real common link is that Holloway, Trolls and Clarke all had us competing at the right end of the table but without getting over the line. They were the ones not adequately replaced (GC excepted). Their many seasons of building very quickly undone by a succession of managers followed by years of dire football |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 18, 2021 11:07:12 GMT
Losing Curo/Roberts with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18months, 2001 relegation. Losing Lambo with no credible replacement. Consequently within 18month, 2011 relegation. Losing JCH with no replacement, not even credible, well done BG no previous lessons learned. Consequently within less than a year..... It's not scientific, but there's something there. It's partly our own fault. We have on previous 2 occasions assembled a poor squad, and not replaced the goals..... Ah, this "We never replaced ... " thing again. I've never subscribed to it. First of all how do you replace the players you mention? Absolutely fine not to subscribe to it and valid points there....c. I disagree. The simplest way to illustrate, is to see what's happened in our little journeyman injury train: Villa buy Watkins from Brentford. They're doing ok. Brentford sell Watkins, but buy Toney from Peterborough before. They're doing ok. Peterborough sell Toney, but buy JCH from us before. They're doing ok. We seem to have a no buy but sell policy..... I'll have to leave it to others to decide whether we're doing ok or not. It's strikingly obvious to me we needed to replace goals, physical presence, striking threat in this division. We haven't. We haven't learned lessons of past propelling us where we are now. Of course there are other factors, but this is major. You need to score goals to win games and we haven't scored enough, and to reiterate the point, if those scoring opportunities had fallen to any of our above mentioned departures, we wouldn't be in the position where we are now. Piggott was available for£250k for instance? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:00:10 GMT
Knowing the way Garner seemed to be the OG footballing hipster it wouldn’t surprise me if he never had any intention of signing JCH’s league two equivalent. He had no intention of building a team around JCH and JCH hardly scored a goal under Garner. Laughable in itself considering the sort of tune Peterborough have got out of him.
Don’t forget Garner’s solution to goal scoring was to sign Hanlan, a winger and try and turn him into a target man/central striker. The board have to take some blame for putting so much faith in a man with no previous experience of putting a squad together.
That’s the genesis of how B***** arrived at the club. Bad decision after bad decision until you are left making really stupid decisions out of desperation.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 18, 2021 13:34:22 GMT
Ah, this "We never replaced ... " thing again. I've never subscribed to it. First of all how do you replace the players you mention? Absolutely fine not to subscribe to it and valid points there....c. I disagree. The simplest way to illustrate, is to see what's happened in our little journeyman injury train: Villa buy Watkins from Brentford. They're doing ok. Brentford sell Watkins, but buy Toney from Peterborough before. They're doing ok. Peterborough sell Toney, but buy JCH from us before. They're doing ok. We seem to have a no buy but sell policy..... I'll have to leave it to others to decide whether we're doing ok or not. It's strikingly obvious to me we needed to replace goals, physical presence, striking threat in this division. We haven't. We haven't learned lessons of past propelling us where we are now. Of course there are other factors, but this is major. You need to score goals to win games and we haven't scored enough, and to reiterate the point, if those scoring opportunities had fallen to any of our above mentioned departures, we wouldn't be in the position where we are now. Piggott was available for£250k for instance? That is pretty near spot on. We never looked for someone prior to selling our best players yet we did seem to have a lot of luck or good scouting in that we had players like Ellington to move upwards and we had a seeming factory line of goalkeepers |
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