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Post by dido on Mar 10, 2021 13:22:58 GMT
........ When Joey is jailed and banned ..... With certainty like that you would walk the Predictions League. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 13:42:02 GMT
I was talking to an ex Rovers employee the other day and I said that part of me thinks that Joey B***** took the job so that he was in employment when he next appears in court. Always a bonus when trying to avoid a custodial sentence.
The wag replied, "He would be better off in prison."
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 13:57:09 GMT
........ When Joey is jailed and banned ..... With certainty like that you would walk the Predictions League. Yes maybe wrong in how it works. What I was thinking Once previous taken into account, punishment doesn’t get smaller than previous punishment does it. Think of the opening sequence of Porridge. Fletch wasn’t jailed for six years for burglary, but repeat offending. So we can’t view 9 months 3 suspended for one headbutt, they will consider repeat offending in court and football ban? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:00:42 GMT
With certainty like that you would walk the Predictions League. Yes maybe wrong in how it works. What I was thinking Once previous taken into account, punishment doesn’t get smaller than previous punishment does it. Think of the opening sequence of Porridge. Fletch wasn’t jailed for six years for burglary, but repeat offending. So we can’t view 9 months 3 suspended for one headbutt, they will consider repeat offending in court and football ban? I think the EFL punishment will be longer term than any jail sentence. The CEO of the EFL did not sound impressed with the evidence during his BBC interview. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 14:02:12 GMT
There are 40,000 Gashead's (well 39995 ) who want JB to keep us up, and for the 'greater good' that's what he said he's going to do -(Stay) UTG! Joey the very good football manager and saviour of our league one status has to be regarded as Joey the short fuse with his reputation and criminal record as an individual as part of the same package. Individuals are allowed their freedom in this world, yes, fair enough, but when you pick up reputations and criminal record for intolerance and anti society behaviour, it has to count against you doesn’t it? It’s an importantl ethical principle, if someone is very good at Art, football management, or politics, their tolerance regarding laws and norms of society is important to how you think and react with them, not just the fact they are good at it. Opinion of Richard Wagner and his music has to include opinion on his anti semitism. The same goes with Glen Hoddle and his views on disabled people. The same goes for Piers Morgan and his opinion Megan Markle’s lying. The same goes for Joey, with his reputation and criminal record. I don’t want to come over all Dr Spock, but You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 14:04:02 GMT
Yes maybe wrong in how it works. What I was thinking Once previous taken into account, punishment doesn’t get smaller than previous punishment does it. Think of the opening sequence of Porridge. Fletch wasn’t jailed for six years for burglary, but repeat offending. So we can’t view 9 months 3 suspended for one headbutt, they will consider repeat offending in court and football ban? I think the EFL punishment will be longer term than any jail sentence. The CEO of the EFL did not sound impressed with the evidence during his BBC interview. so it’s EFL that will ban him not FA? Seems odd he can be banned 18 months from EFL but walk into PL or non league job? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:09:08 GMT
I think the EFL punishment will be longer term than any jail sentence. The CEO of the EFL did not sound impressed with the evidence during his BBC interview. so it’s EFL that will ban him not FA? Seems odd he can be banned 18 months from EFL but walk into PL or non league job? Not sure, I mentioned the EFL as it was their CEO who commented on the matter. He hasn't been charged with an offence by either yet as they need the legal case to be dealt with first. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Mar 10, 2021 14:15:39 GMT
This forum ought to be changed to the wehatebarton.chat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:19:25 GMT
This forum ought to be changed to the wehatebarton.chat It wasn't available. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:25:24 GMT
There are 40,000 Gashead's (well 39995 ) who want JB to keep us up, and for the 'greater good' that's what he said he's going to do -(Stay) UTG! Joey the very good football manager and saviour of our league one status has to be regarded as Joey the short fuse with his reputation and criminal record as an individual as part of the same package. Individuals are allowed their freedom in this world, yes, fair enough, but when you pick up reputations and criminal record for intolerance and anti society behaviour, it has to count against you doesn’t it? It’s an importantl ethical principle, if someone is very good at Art, football management, or politics, their tolerance regarding laws and norms of society is important to how you think and react with them, not just the fact they are good at it. Opinion of Richard Wagner and his music has to include opinion on his anti semitism. The same goes with Glen Hoddle and his views on disabled people. The same goes for Piers Morgan and his opinion Megan Markle’s lying. The same goes for Joey, with his reputation and criminal record. I don’t want to come over all Dr Spock, but You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. Will leave the bulk of that alone, apart from the Glen Hoddle bit. At the time he was a seriously troubled individual talking complete garbage about reincarnation and Karma. I don't think there was any ill intent in what he said, but there may well be serious questions about his state of mind. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 14:35:35 GMT
This forum ought to be changed to the wehatebarton.chat it’s not hating B*****, it simply not separating the decent football coach from the villain individual. I don’t want to come over all Bruno Bettelheim But think of it as a parent, you have rules, you want them to do the right thing and lead by example, how do you treat them all the same when some do the hard things and others two fingers to your ground rules and good parenting? You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 14:38:33 GMT
Joey the very good football manager and saviour of our league one status has to be regarded as Joey the short fuse with his reputation and criminal record as an individual as part of the same package. Individuals are allowed their freedom in this world, yes, fair enough, but when you pick up reputations and criminal record for intolerance and anti society behaviour, it has to count against you doesn’t it? It’s an importantl ethical principle, if someone is very good at Art, football management, or politics, their tolerance regarding laws and norms of society is important to how you think and react with them, not just the fact they are good at it. Opinion of Richard Wagner and his music has to include opinion on his anti semitism. The same goes with Glen Hoddle and his views on disabled people. The same goes for Piers Morgan and his opinion Megan Markle’s lying. The same goes for Joey, with his reputation and criminal record. I don’t want to come over all Dr Spock, but You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. Will leave the bulk of that alone, apart from the Glen Hoddle bit. At the time he was a seriously troubled individual talking complete garbage about reincarnation and Karma. I don't think there was any ill intent in what he said, but there may well be serious questions about his state of mind. You have some pretty strange views? 🤔 |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 14:53:04 GMT
Joey the very good football manager and saviour of our league one status has to be regarded as Joey the short fuse with his reputation and criminal record as an individual as part of the same package. Individuals are allowed their freedom in this world, yes, fair enough, but when you pick up reputations and criminal record for intolerance and anti society behaviour, it has to count against you doesn’t it? It’s an importantl ethical principle, if someone is very good at Art, football management, or politics, their tolerance regarding laws and norms of society is important to how you think and react with them, not just the fact they are good at it. Opinion of Richard Wagner and his music has to include opinion on his anti semitism. The same goes with Glen Hoddle and his views on disabled people. The same goes for Piers Morgan and his opinion Megan Markle’s lying. The same goes for Joey, with his reputation and criminal record. I don’t want to come over all Dr Spock, but You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. Will leave the bulk of that alone, apart from the Glen Hoddle bit. At the time he was a seriously troubled individual talking complete garbage about reincarnation and Karma. I don't think there was any ill intent in what he said, but there may well be serious questions about his state of mind. You say “don't think there was any ill intent” but the point here it done for him from well paying managers job. You are saying you would have left him in it on grounds he was suffering mental illness? If B*****, or Trump or Corbyn or Wagner regard themselves as the enfant terrible or not, and whether they are mentally ill or not, is not the point here - just as there are guiding principles in the world of physics so there are in matters of ethics and values. |
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Post by dido on Mar 10, 2021 15:17:52 GMT
Matthew 20:1–16.
Hate The Sin, Love The Sinner.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 10, 2021 15:46:00 GMT
Matthew 20:1–16. Hate The Sin, Love The Sinner. Okay. Not quite relevant here though is it? If you were a parent you would hate the sin and love the sinner. But being a parent/King Solomon you can’t treat sinners and saints alike, it would be awful parenting, awful leadership, bad cultivation, actively undermining the rules and values you need, For civilisation from the chaos and injury of the nature state. Hugo, Les Miserables "There are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators." none of us should treat saints and sinners alike, we would be undermining the very fabric of civilisation. |
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Post by berttann on Mar 10, 2021 16:27:51 GMT
Physics has laws, not (wishy-washy) guiding principles.
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Post by toteend3 on Mar 10, 2021 16:41:17 GMT
There are 40,000 Gashead's (well 39995 ) who want JB to keep us up, and for the 'greater good' that's what he said he's going to do -(Stay) UTG! Joey the very good football manager and saviour of our league one status has to be regarded as Joey the short fuse with his reputation and criminal record as an individual as part of the same package. Individuals are allowed their freedom in this world, yes, fair enough, but when you pick up reputations and criminal record for intolerance and anti society behaviour, it has to count against you doesn’t it? It’s an importantl ethical principle, if someone is very good at Art, football management, or politics, their tolerance regarding laws and norms of society is important to how you think and react with them, not just the fact they are good at it. Opinion of Richard Wagner and his music has to include opinion on his anti semitism. The same goes with Glen Hoddle and his views on disabled people. The same goes for Piers Morgan and his opinion Megan Markle’s lying. The same goes for Joey, with his reputation and criminal record. I don’t want to come over all Dr Spock, but You can’t treat those who play ball and those who don’t the same, can you? Or else what’s the point in anyone trying the hard thing to lead by example? You would simply be trashing your own rules and values. That’s the principle Bristol Rovers on the wrong side of with their Faustian Pact. Can you at least see where I am coming from. Well not really I can't see my way through this Covid fog! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:07:41 GMT
Will leave the bulk of that alone, apart from the Glen Hoddle bit. At the time he was a seriously troubled individual talking complete garbage about reincarnation and Karma. I don't think there was any ill intent in what he said, but there may well be serious questions about his state of mind. You say “don't think there was any ill intent” but the point here it done for him from well paying managers job. You are saying you would have left him in it on grounds he was suffering mental illness? If B*****, or Trump or Corbyn or Wagner regard themselves as the enfant terrible or not, and whether they are mentally ill or not, is not the point here - just as there are guiding principles in the world of physics so there are in matters of ethics and values. I didn't say, or even suggest that, in my opinion, he was fit to manage anything. Go back and read again. What I've said is that he sounded mentally disturbed. If that's the case it doesn't nececerally make him a bad person, just a very confused one who needed help more than he needed to be told that what he was saying was 'offensive'. |
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Post by toteend3 on Mar 10, 2021 17:11:22 GMT
It was alight hearted throw away comment, nothing more nothing less. I think he talks really well and he also can back that up with how he gets a team playing, I think there has been a distinct improvement in performances, although not consistently with results(yet). My two main concerns are that firstly, he is obviously going to whinge about match officials, which gets right on my fing nerves, how he slated the ref from last night was cringeworthy. Secondly, there is a very real chance he could be going to prison, where on earth does that leave us? I have a horrible feeling Wael's 'plan' consists of hoping B***** can stop us going down, then worry about the rest later! There's a serious issue with the standard of officials. It's poor at this level and always has been. What's the point of working all week towards a game when an official can decide the outcome with incorrect or inconsistent decision making? No idea what happened last night, but delighted that supporters are happy to have got the result they wanted, but here's what B***** was sent to prison for, somehow I doubt that the keeper drank 10 pints of lager, 5 bottles of lager, which is what B***** claims, and then did this; Apparently in court when JB was asked about this, he promised to tell the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:13:50 GMT
Matthew 20:1–16. Hate The Sin, Love The Sinner. Oh goody, it's immoral Bible verse time. I see your Matthew and raise you, Deuteronomy 21.18.21. Bit confusing isn't it, should we love the sinner or stone him to death? |
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