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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 8, 2021 16:43:29 GMT
I really want to like B*****, I really do. His frank use of the word malaise is spot on and is a word I’ve been using for a while to describe the way the club is going through the motions under Wael- hire manager, fire manager, spin the wheel of fortune, rinse and repeat. No attempt to investigate the culture at the club and the practices that culture produces. I also agree with OP, Tisdale seemed to be trying to convey the same thoughts but unfortunately didn’t have the leverage over the owner that B***** undoubtedly does. That being said, B*****’s past undermines the message. How can anyone with B*****’s history talk about elite standards and professionalism? Being involved in an altercation resulting in a court case is not elite or progressional. I know people are going to roll their eyes and flame me for harking at his past but that’s the entire point- you can’t divorce your past when you are the one trying to set an example to others because you seem somewhat of a hypocrite. Like I say, I want to like him because on the face of it he is speaking home truths that a lot of supporters want to see aimed at the board but don’t have the platform to do so. He said today he wants to teach the players to not make the mistakes he made in his career. He knows he's made mistakes. A very good press conference I thought. It was never going to be a bed of roses for this squad and staff. He is now starting to make more demands of them and rightly so
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 8, 2021 16:44:14 GMT
I see it more as a visible symbol of lockdown civil mindedness I agree with Bondi. It’s a very minor point but just gives the impression of not really giving a 💩. On its own not an issue but with everything else just adds to the impression of not really caring Bad cultures start off with the small things, then they become infections because of bad apples. You have to deal with these issues.
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 8, 2021 16:44:44 GMT
A coach who had played and coached at many levels once told me that Bristol Rovers were run like a non league club playing in the Football League. Paul Tisdale commented after a few weeks that things weren't right but people hammered him for one single point about non playing staff walking on the pitch and using it as a short cut. Today these are Joey Bartons comments: "That’s a common theme running throughout the club. There’s just level of malaise and complacency that creeps into your culture when your culture is not performing at the level. That’s what we’re here to change and that’s what we will change in our time here, because if you want to be an elite high-performance culture, you have to behave and have the daily habits of that long before the results start to come and vindicate it." Was he talking about players or the whole club? I thought more about the players as was talking about mistakes etc at the time, like Upson being nowhere near ready to come on. Shocking. I am interested to see the team tomorrow
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 8, 2021 16:46:20 GMT
You missed the "throughout the club" just as Tisdale highlighted but got slaughtered for doing so, and most supporters have chosen to ignore for decades. I never wanted the bloke here but if he opens a few more eyes and finally gets people to knuckle down and improve the club then all credit to him. Hopefully he will be even more open when speaking to Wael and changes will be made. Interesting one this. As you say, Tisdale said this and it didn’t go down well. If B***** says it and is able to act upon it then things will be interesting. I do wonder what the DoF is doing. Setting the culture of the football side throughout falls on his shoulders, a new manager shouldn’t have to come in to point it out, especially when the last one already did. If B***** can shake this up then great but it begs the question if the solution (TW) is actually the problem There may have been a pre agreement for TW to step back a bit, it was mentioned as an issue before he signed.
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 8, 2021 16:47:03 GMT
That could be the most important words spoken by a Rovers Manager for years,if heard. Give Joey carte blanche and let him sort it out. but he's no track record of 'sorting anything out'. Apart from violent situations, maybe it's easy to pick faults, the valuable skill is showing that you know how to fix things, especially deep-rooted systemic things I expect him to deal with problems he has identified. He has taken them to task about apologising on Twitter. Good thing too. Concentrate on your effing football. B***** was never going to come in and say everything was great and that the players are being professional. They have lost games just as much due to unprofessional preparation and training as mistakes on the pitch, you make your own luck.
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 17:34:34 GMT
but he's no track record of 'sorting anything out'. Apart from violent situations, maybe it's easy to pick faults, the valuable skill is showing that you know how to fix things, especially deep-rooted systemic things I expect him to deal with problems he has identified. He has taken them to task about apologising on Twitter. Good thing too. Concentrate on your effing football. B***** was never going to come in and say everything was great and that the players are being professional. They have lost games just as much due to unprofessional preparation and training as mistakes on the pitch, you make your own luck. I like what JB had to say.He must get things going how he wants and build a team from it. I just hope we can somehow stay up.
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Post by gasandproud on Mar 8, 2021 17:57:20 GMT
A coach who had played and coached at many levels once told me that Bristol Rovers were run like a non league club playing in the Football League. Paul Tisdale commented after a few weeks that things weren't right but people hammered him for one single point about non playing staff walking on the pitch and using it as a short cut. Today these are Joey Bartons comments: "That’s a common theme running throughout the club. There’s just level of malaise and complacency that creeps into your culture when your culture is not performing at the level. That’s what we’re here to change and that’s what we will change in our time here, because if you want to be an elite high-performance culture, you have to behave and have the daily habits of that long before the results start to come and vindicate it." Tisdale knew it, many supporters know it, JB certainly now seems to have worked it out.... the question is does the owner know it and chooses to ignore it or is he too blind to see it? Not sure what context the above was said in but in isolation it reads like he has worked out the clubs in a mess, he has seen straight through certain people who make decisions and he knows we are going down and is saying don’t blame me when it happens! Other than that all is rosy!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2021 18:59:35 GMT
I didn't warm to pre Accy interview. I thought it was poor. I thought JAB starting lineup on Saturday was all wrong, a mistake he obviously rectified at half time...
I didn't like this interview as it apparently follows (reading between the lines) the same principled mistakes have been made....why continue to play unfit players that underperform?
I also didn't appreciate his diluted Glenn Hoddle moment. What message is that meant to convey? Talking to his Lord in the garden?
We need points, and fast.
I'm not taking this interview as anything else but he didn't really have anything to say as I'm not interested in his family tree occupations or public criticism of the attitude of players.
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 19:01:57 GMT
I didn't warm to pre Accy interview. I thought it was poor. I thought JAB starting lineup on Saturday was all wrong, a mistake he obviously rectified at half time... I didn't like this interview as it apparently follows (reading between the lines) the same principled mistakes have been made....why continue to play unfit players that underperform? I also didn't appreciate his diluted Glenn Hoddle moment. What message is that meant to convey? Talking to his Lord in the garden? We need points, and fast. I'm not taking this interview as anything else but he didn't really have anything to say as I'm not interested in his family tree occupations or public criticism of the attitude of players. We need a miracle and so he was talking to the right 'bloke'.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2021 19:09:54 GMT
I didn't warm to pre Accy interview. I thought it was poor. I thought JAB starting lineup on Saturday was all wrong, a mistake he obviously rectified at half time... I didn't like this interview as it apparently follows (reading between the lines) the same principled mistakes have been made....why continue to play unfit players that underperform? I also didn't appreciate his diluted Glenn Hoddle moment. What message is that meant to convey? Talking to his Lord in the garden? We need points, and fast. I'm not taking this interview as anything else but he didn't really have anything to say as I'm not interested in his family tree occupations or public criticism of the attitude of players. We need a miracle and so he was talking to the right 'bloke'. Haha! Nice one.. Far from me being the one to judge, but I'm seriously wondering which Lord he was referring to? Up or down? As we're relegation threatened, I'm thinking ⬇️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 19:15:48 GMT
We need a miracle and so he was talking to the right 'bloke'. Haha! Nice one.. Far from me being the one to judge, but I'm seriously wondering which Lord he was referring to? Up or down? As we're relegation threatened, I'm thinking ⬇️ My Lord!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 19:24:00 GMT
Ok, personal views and things I’ve said on here aside, to be objective I thought that was a very good interview and exactly what I want to hear from a rovers manager. No blaming refs or agreeing with Tommy about having 20 goal strikers, actually saying what we can all see and what he’s going to do about it. Yes it went a bit Glenn Hoddle but other than that spot on for me
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 19:35:50 GMT
Haha! Nice one.. Far from me being the one to judge, but I'm seriously wondering which Lord he was referring to? Up or down? As we're relegation threatened, I'm thinking ⬇️ My Lord!! In the scenario JB goes "down" for a few months,I imagine it perfectly possible to run Rovers from the inside. A la the Krays and their criminal empire. JD must make a list of players to leave and players he wants to sign.He'll have a mobile and computer I assume,so communication with his men (hopefully TW has 'disappeared' by then) will be sufficient. Don't suppose he'll get a long stretch and JB would only miss a few games.Maybe day release for good behaviour can be arranged around Rovers fixtures. My only worry is would he return to a 3rd or 4th tier football club? You slaaaaaaaags.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 19:55:09 GMT
My Lord!! In the scenario JB goes "down" for a few months,I imagine it perfectly possible to run Rovers from the inside. A la the Krays and their criminal empire. JD must make a list of players to leave and players he wants to sign.He'll have a mobile and computer I assume,so communication with his men (hopefully TW has 'disappeared' by then) will be sufficient. Don't suppose he'll get a long stretch and JB would only miss a few games.Maybe day release for good behaviour can be arranged around Rovers fixtures. My only worry is would he return to a 3rd or 4th tier football club? You slaaaaaaaags. If he is found guilty prison won’t be your biggest issue Bas- it will be the action that the FA take. They could ban him from the game for years, what does Wael do about that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 20:22:54 GMT
My Lord!! In the scenario JB goes "down" for a few months,I imagine it perfectly possible to run Rovers from the inside. A la the Krays and their criminal empire. JD must make a list of players to leave and players he wants to sign.He'll have a mobile and computer I assume,so communication with his men (hopefully TW has 'disappeared' by then) will be sufficient. Don't suppose he'll get a long stretch and JB would only miss a few games.Maybe day release for good behaviour can be arranged around Rovers fixtures. My only worry is would he return to a 3rd or 4th tier football club? You slaaaaaaaags. One point that many haven't considered is the EFL are also going to hold an enquiry but have had to hold off until the criminal case is out of the way for obvious reasons. I think the main threat to Bartons Rovers career could come from the EFL. Edit:Sorry WMGas got there first.
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 20:25:30 GMT
In the scenario JB goes "down" for a few months,I imagine it perfectly possible to run Rovers from the inside. A la the Krays and their criminal empire. JD must make a list of players to leave and players he wants to sign.He'll have a mobile and computer I assume,so communication with his men (hopefully TW has 'disappeared' by then) will be sufficient. Don't suppose he'll get a long stretch and JB would only miss a few games.Maybe day release for good behaviour can be arranged around Rovers fixtures. My only worry is would he return to a 3rd or 4th tier football club? You slaaaaaaaags. If he is found guilty prison won’t be your biggest issue Bas- it will be the action that the FA take. They could ban him from the game for years, what does Wael do about that? Pay for Joey to visit a South American plastic surgeon and return as our new Argentinian Manager,Jesus Christ Bartononi. Having heard Joey's French,I imagine his Spanish accent would convince the best of us.
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Post by richmace on Mar 8, 2021 21:24:33 GMT
Agree with the original post. What I don't understand is how this can persist across multiple boards / owners?
How does a club retain a "Mindset"? This is what appears to happen (not just in Football, but all sports), but how? How to change that?
I find myself agreeing with wholeheartedly with everything that JB says in every interview (apart from criticism of the match officials).
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Post by swissgas on Mar 8, 2021 21:40:22 GMT
Agree with the original post. What I don't understand is how this can persist across multiple boards / owners? How does a club retain a "Mindset"? This is what appears to happen (not just in Football, but all sports), but how? How to change that? I find myself agreeing with wholeheartedly with everything that JB says in every interview (apart from criticism of the match officials). One of my first ever posts on the forum was greeted with ridicule because it was about bird sh*t covering the crash barriers and weeds growing out of the terraces. A few fans had complained about this but nothing had been done and I said that if such lack of pride and acceptance of slovenliness was allowed to continue it would soon permeate the whole club. The general response was "who cares, we're only here for the football". And that, in essence, is the root cause of the problem we have at Rovers. If we continue to tolerate an inefficient business model with low standards and a couldn't care less attitude we will continue to get an inefficient football team with low standards and a couldn't care less attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 21:44:03 GMT
If he is found guilty prison won’t be your biggest issue Bas- it will be the action that the FA take. They could ban him from the game for years, what does Wael do about that? Pay for Joey to visit a South American plastic surgeon and return as our new Argentinian Manager,Jesus Christ Bartononi. Having heard Joey's French,I imagine his Spanish accent would convince the best of us. That did make me chuckle 😂 Sorry Bas but “The Great Bartoni” sounds less like a prodigal Bielsa like managerial talent from Serie A and more like a Poundland magician found plying his trade pre-match in one of our infamous reconstituted porta-cabins!
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Post by c4h10 on Mar 8, 2021 21:45:29 GMT
If I was a manager who had lost three of his first four games, I think I would use an interview to blame everybody else for the results so far. But, what a pleasant surprise I would have when everybody (sorry, almost everybody) agreed with me and said what a fine job I was doing. Nuff said.
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