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Post by One F in Dunford on Apr 6, 2021 15:36:10 GMT
You are wasting your time Holmesgas. Facts? Evidence? This is WeHateEverythingAboutRovers.Org Speak for yourself Contraception, there are a lot of very loyal Gasheads on this forum. There are also people who have stated that they wanted Rovers to lose games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 15:41:02 GMT
Speak for yourself Contraception, there are a lot of very loyal Gasheads on this forum. There are also people who have stated that they wanted Rovers to lose games. That's sad but don't tar everybody with the same brush as my old Mum would have said.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 6, 2021 15:42:35 GMT
You have to be joking, facts, evidence. You have pronounced guilty before the trial... What went before then he has paid his dues. Also when has he brought the club into disrepute. Only in your mind, if anything to date while at the club he's been a decent ambassador. You are wasting your time Holmesgas. Facts? Evidence? This is WeHateEverythingAboutRovers.Org Not for the first time, missing the point entirely. WeHateEverythingAboutBarton.Org - does have a lovely ring to it though. I doubt my reasonable and democratic moderators would allow me to change it to that. Polite views always welcome.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Apr 6, 2021 15:45:27 GMT
There are also people who have stated that they wanted Rovers to lose games. That's sad but don't tar everybody with the same brush as my old Mum would have said. Iโm not, just pointing it out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 15:56:23 GMT
Great, give him a low key role in the community dept or something of that type, where he can be supervised. Don't make him the public face of the club whilst he has a trial for assault scheduled. I'm lost with all of the names, but it was stated on here that some of his hangers on had followed him here, but I don't know if that's correct. JAB is entitled to be tried fairly, and assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. So on that basis he is qualified to apply and expect fair chance to be appointed in any role that's best for him, and his employers. However unpalatable that might be. He's done nothing legally wrong since February 22nd, some of his comments/team selections/game time decision making/substitutions/pre post match comments might be unpalatable too but as public a face he is for the club, it's the club I support and fanatacise (is that a word!?), not the cult within. I support Bristol Rovers, not Ollie Holloway, or DC or GC or even the hallowed GF... And it's for his potential employer to make an assessment as to whether their brand may be harmed by association. The reaction on Rovers' forums when he was given the Fleetwood job tells you what people genuinely think about him, that was prior to the present alleged assault. There may well be a 'circling of the wagons' by some, but not everybody will lower themselves to that behaviour, some of us will stand up and say when the club get things horribly wrong. I have no doubt that the trial will be fair, if it goes ahead. And despite someone on here attempting to discredit my position by claiming that I've stated that he's guilty of that assault, I've said no such thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 15:59:28 GMT
You are wasting your time Holmesgas. Facts? Evidence? This is WeHateEverythingAboutRovers.Org Speak for yourself Contraception, there are a lot of very loyal Gasheads on this forum. Yes, a generalisation Pop. Someone mentioned this forum to be the other day, the first time they had ever visited it and they were absolutely staggered by the sheer negativity of all things BRFC by the vast majority of the posters. And to be fair -it is is mind blowingly bad, mind blowingly negative. And it doesn't go down well when that is challenged, its makes you a "Wael apologist" or a "B***** Lover". I bet you could search through some posters and could find that some have never posted a single positive thing about the club. The only way you get credibility and people to take you seriously is if you can present balance. Wael has done some good things, he has also messed up on others. Judge on that basis. B***** did some bad things before being manager, now he is trying to fix the team. Give him a chance and try and judge on that basis. But it will never happen for most on here, they are simply unable to do that. Simply not capable. This is important. It is important because there are areas of the club that should be scrutanised and challenged, and that is healthy. But because people cannot take a balanced view and the default is BooHiss blah blah blah it becomes a comedy show, and important stuff can be missed amongst the crap and post after post of constant drivel having a go at Wael/B*****/Starnes/Gorringe and anyone else associated with the football club on absolutely anything. It becomes meaningless. Which is why WeHateEvertythingAboutRovers.org although said in jest as a joke is probably accurate, sadly Anyway, Im off, its too depressing!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 6, 2021 16:04:30 GMT
JAB is entitled to be tried fairly, and assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. So on that basis he is qualified to apply and expect fair chance to be appointed in any role that's best for him, and his employers. However unpalatable that might be. He's done nothing legally wrong since February 22nd, some of his comments/team selections/game time decision making/substitutions/pre post match comments might be unpalatable too but as public a face he is for the club, it's the club I support and fanatacise (is that a word!?), not the cult within. I support Bristol Rovers, not Ollie Holloway, or DC or GC or even the hallowed GF... And it's for his potential employer to make an assessment as to whether their brand may be harmed by association. The reaction on Rovers' forums when he was given the Fleetwood job tells you what people genuinely think about him, that was prior to the present alleged assault. There may well be a 'circling of the wagons' by some, but not everybody will lower themselves to that behaviour, some of us will stand up and say when the club get things horribly wrong. I have no doubt that the trial will be fair, if it goes ahead. And despite someone on here attempting to discredit my position by claiming that I've stated that he's guilty of that assault, I've said no such thing. Yep, indeed.... and the brand damage evaluation decision has come back. It's even been endorsed by family sponsors continuing their association by not withdrawing funds. That's further evidence. I completely understand your position, like I have always stated, but only time will tell whether you are correct or not....and obviously I'm hoping that time can be used wisely. As in use of potential, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 16:10:32 GMT
And it's for his potential employer to make an assessment as to whether their brand may be harmed by association. The reaction on Rovers' forums when he was given the Fleetwood job tells you what people genuinely think about him, that was prior to the present alleged assault. There may well be a 'circling of the wagons' by some, but not everybody will lower themselves to that behaviour, some of us will stand up and say when the club get things horribly wrong. I have no doubt that the trial will be fair, if it goes ahead. And despite someone on here attempting to discredit my position by claiming that I've stated that he's guilty of that assault, I've said no such thing. Yep, indeed.... and the brand damage evaluation decision has come back. It's even been endorsed by family sponsors continuing their association by not withdrawing funds. That's further evidence. I completely understand your position, like I have always stated, but only time will tell whether you are correct or not....and obviously I'm hoping that time can be used wisely. As in use of potential, etc... If I'm correct in what? All I've done is state how I feel about the appointment and that I oppose it in the strongest possible terms. Are you going to say that if relegation is avoided that I was wrong, or set some other arbitrary benchmark on my behalf? If so, tell me now so that we can agree on it before the event.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 6, 2021 16:21:49 GMT
Speak for yourself Contraception, there are a lot of very loyal Gasheads on this forum. Yes, a generalisation Pop. Someone mentioned this forum to be the other day, the first time they had ever visited it and they were absolutely staggered by the sheer negativity of all things BRFC by the vast majority of the posters. And to be fair -it is is mind blowingly bad, mind blowingly negative. And it doesn't go down well when that is challenged, its makes you a "Wael apologist" or a "B***** Lover". I bet you could search through some posters and could find that some have never posted a single positive thing about the club. The only way you get credibility and people to take you seriously is if you can present balance. Wael has done some good things, he has also messed up on others. Judge on that basis. B***** did some bad things before being manager, now he is trying to fix the team. Give him a chance and try and judge on that basis. But it will never happen for most on here, they are simply unable to do that. Simply not capable. This is important. It is important because there are areas of the club that should be scrutanised and challenged, and that is healthy. But because people cannot take a balanced view and the default is BooHiss blah blah blah it becomes a comedy show, and important stuff can be missed amongst the crap and post after post of constant drivel having a go at Wael/B*****/Starnes/Gorringe and anyone else associated with the football club on absolutely anything. It becomes meaningless. Which is why WeHateEvertythingAboutRovers.org although said in jest as a joke is probably accurate, sadly Anyway, Im off, its too depressing! Which areas of the club would you say are open to scrutiny and challenge ?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 6, 2021 16:26:23 GMT
Yep, indeed.... and the brand damage evaluation decision has come back. It's even been endorsed by family sponsors continuing their association by not withdrawing funds. That's further evidence. I completely understand your position, like I have always stated, but only time will tell whether you are correct or not....and obviously I'm hoping that time can be used wisely. As in use of potential, etc... If I'm correct in what? All I've done is state how I feel about the appointment and that I oppose it in the strongest possible terms. Are you going to say that if relegation is avoided that I was wrong, or set some other arbitrary benchmark on my behalf? If so, tell me now so that we can agree on it before the event. Na, that's not my style because it's disrespectful and cheap shot. Depending on results, I might be swayed one way or another. I'm still neutral. Results have been poor, but I think I've seen an upturn in performance.. If you're correct...on that prior behaviour leads to identical future behaviour. In the spirit of fair play, is there anything that will make you change your mind, that from an appalling appointment, to: it can be something you could get on board with?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 16:47:08 GMT
If I'm correct in what? All I've done is state how I feel about the appointment and that I oppose it in the strongest possible terms. Are you going to say that if relegation is avoided that I was wrong, or set some other arbitrary benchmark on my behalf? If so, tell me now so that we can agree on it before the event. Na, that's not my style because it's disrespectful and cheap shot. Depending on results, I might be swayed one way or another. I'm still neutral. Results have been poor, but I think I've seen an upturn in performance.. If you're correct...on that prior behaviour leads to identical future behaviour. In the spirit of fair play, is there anything that will make you change your mind, that from an appalling appointment, to: it can be something you could get on board with? No, you've misunderstood what I've been saying. All along I've said that I have no personal malice towards the bloke and genuinely hope he's put his inner demons to bed and is a changed Man, I want him to be happy, healthy and successful in everything he does, my issues with him being here have been repeated so many times I'm bored of writing them, but will go over them again if you aren't sure, but never once did I suggest that he will definitely assault anybody again. But I'll tell you what, if he did lose his temper and do something to, for example, a youth player, Rovers would have some serious explaining to do. If you were responsible for him, would you be totally confident that you could leave him, unsupervised, in the workplace and know for sure that there's no possibility that you won't be hearing the wailing of Police and ambulance sirens?
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 6, 2021 17:09:43 GMT
Na, that's not my style because it's disrespectful and cheap shot. Depending on results, I might be swayed one way or another. I'm still neutral. Results have been poor, but I think I've seen an upturn in performance.. If you're correct...on that prior behaviour leads to identical future behaviour. In the spirit of fair play, is there anything that will make you change your mind, that from an appalling appointment, to: it can be something you could get on board with? No, you've misunderstood what I've been saying. All along I've said that I have no personal malice towards the bloke and genuinely hope he's put his inner demons to bed and is a changed Man, I want him to be happy, healthy and successful in everything he does, my issues with him being here have been repeated so many times I'm bored of writing them, but will go over them again if you aren't sure, but never once did I suggest that he will definitely assault anybody again. But I'll tell you what, if he did lose his temper and do something to, for example, a youth player, Rovers would have some serious explaining to do. If you were responsible for him, would you be totally confident that you could leave him, unsupervised, in the workplace and know for sure that there's no possibility that you won't be hearing the wailing of Police and ambulance sirens? Out of interest, what's makes you qualified to make these statements other than its your view. If that's the case fine, but the rest us also have a view and in my opinion he has every right to the mangers job and represent Bristol Rovers until there is evidence that is detrimental to BRFC.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 6, 2021 17:29:10 GMT
Yes, a generalisation Pop. Someone mentioned this forum to be the other day, the first time they had ever visited it and they were absolutely staggered by the sheer negativity of all things BRFC by the vast majority of the posters. And to be fair -it is is mind blowingly bad, mind blowingly negative. And it doesn't go down well when that is challenged, its makes you a "Wael apologist" or a "B***** Lover". I bet you could search through some posters and could find that some have never posted a single positive thing about the club. The only way you get credibility and people to take you seriously is if you can present balance. Wael has done some good things, he has also messed up on others. Judge on that basis. B***** did some bad things before being manager, now he is trying to fix the team. Give him a chance and try and judge on that basis. But it will never happen for most on here, they are simply unable to do that. Simply not capable. This is important. It is important because there are areas of the club that should be scrutanised and challenged, and that is healthy. But because people cannot take a balanced view and the default is BooHiss blah blah blah it becomes a comedy show, and important stuff can be missed amongst the crap and post after post of constant drivel having a go at Wael/B*****/Starnes/Gorringe and anyone else associated with the football club on absolutely anything. It becomes meaningless. Which is why WeHateEvertythingAboutRovers.org although said in jest as a joke is probably accurate, sadly Anyway, Im off, its too depressing! Which areas of the club would you say are open to scrutiny and challenge ? Hi Neil ๐ The boardroom; over the past 75 years (and some). #UTG
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 6, 2021 17:37:50 GMT
Na, that's not my style because it's disrespectful and cheap shot. Depending on results, I might be swayed one way or another. I'm still neutral. Results have been poor, but I think I've seen an upturn in performance.. If you're correct...on that prior behaviour leads to identical future behaviour. In the spirit of fair play, is there anything that will make you change your mind, that from an appalling appointment, to: it can be something you could get on board with? No, you've misunderstood what I've been saying. All along I've said that I have no personal malice towards the bloke and genuinely hope he's put his inner demons to bed and is a changed Man, I want him to be happy, healthy and successful in everything he does, my issues with him being here have been repeated so many times I'm bored of writing them, but will go over them again if you aren't sure, but never once did I suggest that he will definitely assault anybody again. But I'll tell you what, if he did lose his temper and do something to, for example, a youth player, Rovers would have some serious explaining to do. If you were responsible for him, would you be totally confident that you could leave him, unsupervised, in the workplace and know for sure that there's no possibility that you won't be hearing the wailing of Police and ambulance sirens? You did mention (today) his potential to do future harm, as I posted his potential to reform. Ok, I'll play.... I'll rise above the "you haven't answered my question, so why should I answer yours?" because I value our spats and enjoy our scribed jousting.....to answer, I honestly don't know, I don't think I've ever been placed in that position.. If I had placed someone in a place of such responsibility, I would be trusting, until proven otherwise. But there are ways around such matters...offers of help such as counselling and anger management.... obviously all confidential and private....but there is a way forward. It can happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 18:04:26 GMT
Page forty-two was a nice trip down memory lane. Page forty-three began all false hope and no trousers. Then the duck returned, which seems to have gone down better with some than with others.The courts will make a judgement on how reformed he was as of the date of the alleged Barnsley incident. If it actually makes it to a hearing that is. As for intelligence, he talks in a self assured and authoritative way, in my opinion that confidence is often without basis, but as the Milgram Experiments demonstrated, just establishing yourself as an authority figure can give you a huge amount of control over people. Is he clever? No, I don't think he is, not at all. I'm beginning to appreciate his intelligence. He has the experience to know how to research a club, and the intelligence to learn and to prepare what soundbites play the masses for fools, and the wit to deploy these fluently without being found out in interviews. He's is a cunning operator, and it's working for him. "You know a Gas Guzzler has lost it when they resort to telling Gasheads to 'f... off to Ashton" Totally disagree. I think it's unfair to blame the forum for freedom of speech, as you've mentioned above, and level a generalisation from one individual... At least as a ducky you could fly over Ashton tomorrow..... and um ..... ? We agree, I think old pal. I wrote 'a Gas Guzzler' meaning an individual guzzler/member/poster. My capitalisation gave the wrong impression. I don't think Gas Guzzler has lost it; I meant that a gas guzzler has lost it when he told another gashead to f... off to Ashton. I think Gas Guzzler has been very good in very difficult times for divided Gasheads. Also, as I have the wings of a shov'ler, the lovely great arse of a swan, I'll fly over B***** tomorrow, depositing crap 'til he's gone. To be fair to [B*****] though, heโs got the intellectual capabilities of the average football fan sussed and knows what to say and do to have them eating out of his hand. He can play them like a stradivarius and his disciples' collective braying then results in his reputation being blown up to heights itโs never actually reached in reality. Sad but apparently true. Aahh. No danger of that. The sooner this bloke's gone, the better. Thank goodness for such mercies. Amen. Well said. I have nothing to add. That completes the case for the prosecution. No further questions M'lud. Steady on, comrade; Counsel will not rest until sentencing.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 6, 2021 19:23:39 GMT
Which areas of the club would you say are open to scrutiny and challenge ? Hi Neil ๐ The boardroom; over the past 75 years (and some). #UTG I'll have to get back to you Dave, I've made a fresh start and am up to 1884 right now.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 6, 2021 19:31:23 GMT
No, you've misunderstood what I've been saying. All along I've said that I have no personal malice towards the bloke and genuinely hope he's put his inner demons to bed and is a changed Man, I want him to be happy, healthy and successful in everything he does, my issues with him being here have been repeated so many times I'm bored of writing them, but will go over them again if you aren't sure, but never once did I suggest that he will definitely assault anybody again. But I'll tell you what, if he did lose his temper and do something to, for example, a youth player, Rovers would have some serious explaining to do. If you were responsible for him, would you be totally confident that you could leave him, unsupervised, in the workplace and know for sure that there's no possibility that you won't be hearing the wailing of Police and ambulance sirens? You did mention (today) his potential to do future harm, as I posted his potential to reform. Ok, I'll play.... I'll rise above the "you haven't answered my question, so why should I answer yours?" because I value our spats and enjoy our scribed jousting.....to answer, I honestly don't know, I don't think I've ever been placed in that position.. If I had placed someone in a place of such responsibility, I would be trusting, until proven otherwise. But there are ways around such matters...offers of help such as counselling and anger management.... obviously all confidential and private....but there is a way forward. It can happen. Maybe I can offer a slightly different angle. It seems you are taking the line I described in my earlier post when I said that when Rovers decide to do something, thinking they are showing loyalty, fans go out of their way to find reasons to justify that decision. The point TWD is making may well be valid and if an incident did occur where a young player or opposing staff member were attacked there could be legal repercussions for Rovers because it's happened before. Are Rovers a professional Football Club or a Counselling and Rehabilitation business ? If we are a professional football club then we should be carefully weighing up all aspects of a candidate before appointing him as manager. If we did the research and decided that JB's management abilities were so outstanding that they far outweighed his dangerous character defects, and it was worth the cost of putting in safeguards to mitigate the chances of him attacking someone again then, in that respect, all well and good. But if something happened and we relied on the defence of "he seemed a reformed character and he promised us he would stay out of trouble" I don't think it would be enough. You say ways around the problem "can happen" to which many loyal fans would agree and they would add "of course Rovers wouldn't have dived into this appointment without thinking of the possible consequences". But what is our track record like when it comes to diving in without thinking ? And how do you square up Wael's claim that the club's managerial search explored every option with Martyn Starnes' saying "It all started with Wael being tipped off that Joey would be interested in our job". I share wmgas's opinion that being "starstruck" was the main reason for this decision along with his reasonable record at Fleetwood helping to justify it. But claiming that simply being at Rovers is going to bring about a complete character change and that he is the right man to carry on with "the philosophy" and bring Rovers "kicking and screaming into the 21st century" (heard that before ?) is IMO pie in the sky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 19:54:57 GMT
Exactly, I firmly believe that the play off with Fleetwood was secondary to B*****โs ability to generate headlines for the club. I really hope Iโm wrong because hiring him on the basis of the name of Joseph B***** is way more scandalous than hiring him for his supposed managerial genius. But given how B***** was paraded round social media where Tisdale and Garner were ferreted in through the back door with no real fan fare I canโt help but think that B*****โs main remit at Rovers is to deliver a cheap and nasty boost in revenue. Imo, the is sinking whilst Captain Wael is too busy getting a selfie with the iceberg.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 6, 2021 20:00:36 GMT
Hi Neil ๐ The boardroom; over the past 75 years (and some). #UTG I'll have to get back to you Dave, I've made a fresh start and am up to 1884 right now. Haha! My dad always had some directors and the occasional chairman down as crooks, prewar (WW2๐) I followed the family tradition, postwar. #UTG
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 20:21:30 GMT
No, you've misunderstood what I've been saying. All along I've said that I have no personal malice towards the bloke and genuinely hope he's put his inner demons to bed and is a changed Man, I want him to be happy, healthy and successful in everything he does, my issues with him being here have been repeated so many times I'm bored of writing them, but will go over them again if you aren't sure, but never once did I suggest that he will definitely assault anybody again. But I'll tell you what, if he did lose his temper and do something to, for example, a youth player, Rovers would have some serious explaining to do. If you were responsible for him, would you be totally confident that you could leave him, unsupervised, in the workplace and know for sure that there's no possibility that you won't be hearing the wailing of Police and ambulance sirens? Out of interest, what's makes you qualified to make these statements other than its your view. If that's the case fine, but the rest us also have a view and in my opinion he has every right to the mangers job and represent Bristol Rovers until there is evidence that is detrimental to BRFC. Hey, that's fine, it's all personal opinion. Where did I state a fact, as in, 'B***** can not hold this position, and here's why'? It's all been just giving my opinion, and with reference to reputational harm I have the rather comfortable fallback position of pointing towards how Rovers' supporters reacted when Fleetwood appointed him and then again when the alleged Barnsley manager incident hit the news. Do you see what I did there, talked about something in the news, I didn't say that he's done anything, just that something was in the news.
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