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Post by syg on Feb 22, 2021 18:45:12 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering.
When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object?
If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:49:36 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. How long after he became chaplain was his trial? |
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Post by basel on Feb 22, 2021 18:51:04 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. How long after he became chaplain was his trial? 40 days and 40 nights. |
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Post by trymer on Feb 22, 2021 18:53:52 GMT
Maybe the difference is by the time that DJ was made club chaplain he had not been in trouble for a very long time and had done a LOT of very good work helping other people.
Perhaps if JB had shown that he was a changed character (over many years) there wouldnt have been so much 'moralising' today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:55:51 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. The argument is b@llocks. A fairer comparison would be making the bloke who hit the Braintree player club chaplain the day after he did it |
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 22, 2021 18:57:49 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. I'm not sure that'll do you any goodWhen a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? Yes, probably. On the basis that someone usually objects to everythingIf not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. Now you're being ridiculousI've worked out how to answer questions on here!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:05:42 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. Why on earth would anybody equate religion with morality? As I'm unaware of Rovers ever having an association with any faith other than Christianity I'll presume that this Chaplain was attached to a denomination of that cult and we'll start with their ridiculous Bible. The Old Testament is a blood bath, as Richard Dawkings put it; “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”. That's before we move on to Exodus 21 where, if this Bible is indeed inspired by his word, he explicitly endorses slavery. You may get apologists argue that's the Old Testament and we are living under a new Covenant. Well congratulations, you've just thrown out all 613 commandments, and Genesis, so there goes your account of creation. So if looking for a base line for morality, maybe look somewhere other than Judeo-Christianity. |
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Post by syg on Feb 22, 2021 19:06:21 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. I'm not sure that'll do you any goodWhen a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? Yes, probably. On the basis that someone usually objects to everythingIf not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. Now you're being ridiculousI've worked out how to answer questions on here! Nice, in a jazz show voice style. How did you do that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:20:59 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. I don't think he did his job even when he was associated with the club so no, he shouldn't have been any where near BRFC. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2021 19:22:42 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. I've made that point on another thread. Jealksy..... It appears that employing or association with convicted criminals is ok if it's a long time ago, a minor offence like kidnap at knifepoint and carrying a replica firearm, or if it's not football related. Got it now... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:24:58 GMT
With all the moralising going on I was wondering. When a convicted hooligan became our club chaplain did anybody on his site object? If not, then if JB finds god tomorrow maybe we can all be happy bunnies. I've made that point on another thread. Jealksy..... It appears that employing or association with convicted criminals is ok if it's a long time ago, a minor offence like kidnap at knifepoint and carrying a replica firearm, or if it's not football related. Got it now... Oh dear lord here we go... |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2021 19:40:36 GMT
I've made that point on another thread. Jealksy..... It appears that employing or association with convicted criminals is ok if it's a long time ago, a minor offence like kidnap at knifepoint and carrying a replica firearm, or if it's not football related. Got it now... Oh dear lord here we go... Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:52:34 GMT
Oh dear lord here we go... Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? I do agree with what you’re saying here by and large. My problem is more than him being a player and more than an off the field incident here and there. The manager is the figure head of the club. As someone said, we are now “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers” like “Wayne Rooneys Derby”. I could have probably lived with us signing Joey B***** the player but not Joey B***** the manager. This is also not the odd incident or conviction. It’s a career of constant violence, cheating, alleged racism, beating up kids, right up until very recently with another court case still to come. This is more than forgiveness or redemption for something in the past, this is the character we’ve chosen to lead and represent our club |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:58:10 GMT
Oh dear lord here we go... Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? As I said before, let’s give someone like Adam Johnson a job if we believe in rehabilitation...but I’ve a feeling all of a sudden you will change your tune on rehabilitation when the crime becomes more “serious” than stubbing a cigar out in someone’s eye or the opposition manager mysteriously losing some teeth. We all have our point where we fail to believe in rehabilitation and start to believe in the fact that certain people should not hold certain positions so why do people seek to tell others that their tipping point is not valid, reasonable or to be respected? I don’t get it... |
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 22, 2021 20:04:22 GMT
I've worked out how to answer questions on here! Nice, in a jazz show voice style. How did you do that? press quote, type in the box, and then use the colours in the rainbow circle thingy |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2021 20:19:44 GMT
Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? I do agree with what you’re saying here by and large. My problem is more than him being a player and more than an off the field incident here and there. The manager is the figure head of the club. As someone said, we are now “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers” like “Wayne Rooneys Derby”. I could have probably lived with us signing Joey B***** the player but not Joey B***** the manager. This is also not the odd incident or conviction. It’s a career of constant violence, cheating, alleged racism, beating up kids, right up until very recently with another court case still to come. This is more than forgiveness or redemption for something in the past, this is the character we’ve chosen to lead and represent our club Yes it is, you're right. He's been chosen to represent our club on and off the pitch. Interesting your post says you would have put up with the player, not manager yet it's the same person representing our club on and off the pitch. Out of interest, what would it take for you to change your mind? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 20:23:05 GMT
I do agree with what you’re saying here by and large. My problem is more than him being a player and more than an off the field incident here and there. The manager is the figure head of the club. As someone said, we are now “Joey B*****’s Bristol Rovers” like “Wayne Rooneys Derby”. I could have probably lived with us signing Joey B***** the player but not Joey B***** the manager. This is also not the odd incident or conviction. It’s a career of constant violence, cheating, alleged racism, beating up kids, right up until very recently with another court case still to come. This is more than forgiveness or redemption for something in the past, this is the character we’ve chosen to lead and represent our club Yes it is, you're right. He's been chosen to represent our club on and off the pitch. Interesting your post says you would have put up with the player, not manager yet it's the same person representing our club on and off the pitch. Out of interest, what would it take for you to change your mind? In all honesty I don’t know. I’m not one of those fickle people who would be at Wembley singing his name if we got there. I’m not saying I would have accepted him as a player, it’s hypothetical, but for me a manager is so much more than a player. I can’t see a situation where I’d accept him or the board |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 20:41:50 GMT
Oh dear lord here we go... Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? So, ex-con starts to believe in invisible friend as adult and we are supposed to take this bloke seriously on any level because? For what it's worth, it's very convenient that this voice in his head 'forgave' him. Maybe it would have been more practical to ask the victims of whatever his crimes were, then ask them how they felt about a 3rd party offering forgiveness on their behalf. The mazes that people's imaginations will construct are quite incredible. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 22, 2021 20:51:23 GMT
Not moralising, the bloke is undoubtedly a good football manager but he flips his lid and is a danger to himself and others. He needs help.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2021 20:53:51 GMT
Here we go......here we gooooo! That's how the song went in Twerters circa 1988. All while pushing forward on some poor sod tucking into their Greasy Joe's..... We are all different, but what is indisputable is the club's association with known criminals, either in employment or invitation. The bigger point is rehabilitation, regret, remorse and the right to address the wronged. It may be a point in DJ (whom I do know) that his God offered some sort of forgiveness to him......I wonder if that virtue will get addressed in the future with JB and others? So, ex-con starts to believe in invisible friend as adult and we are supposed to take this bloke seriously on any level because? For what it's worth, it's very convenient that this voice in his head 'forgave' him. Maybe it would have been more practical to ask the victims of whatever his crimes were, then ask them how they felt about a 3rd party offering forgiveness on their behalf. The mazes that people's imaginations will construct are quite incredible. An interesting post. .....but all the while, there wasn't the moral outrage back then. No matter what he was convicted of. In fact, on DJ outgoing from the club, there was much support, well being and celebration of his Gas contributions.....the Sporty was packed that night. The God Delusion or not, why is one form of violent conduct tolerated, but not another? |
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