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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 17:44:48 GMT
My first thought having read that and listened to the interview after last night's game is that our club is totally dysfunctional. Tisdale appears to be saying that the structure is unworkable, last night's interview was riddled with veiled criticism of him, and what appeared to be a direct broadside at Holloway. Maybe B***** would fit in after all? Nailed it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 18:19:46 GMT
My first thought having read that and listened to the interview after last night's game is that our club is totally dysfunctional. Tisdale appears to be saying that the structure is unworkable, last night's interview was riddled with veiled criticism of him, and what appeared to be a direct broadside at Holloway. Maybe B***** would fit in after all? Nailed it. Leaders take responsibility and lead. Widdrington having sly pops at the former manager and at Holloway, added to his press conference last week, show he is not a leader and not director calibre. He is unable to take responsibility for poor decisions. It seems that managers do not make the signings or appoint their back room staff, two things I would expect to be top of the agenda for a a manager. Widdrington appears smug when he wins, but he reminds me of John Ward in 2014 when we won a game and made a joke about people thinking we needed new strikers. I’m concerned that 3 good managers have now felt the need to publicly critics the board or lack of backing. There is clearly a problem which the board would sooner cover up with sly digs here and there rather than address. I also don’t think Holloway is the clown people try to make out and he’s using the Post to get serious messages across to the fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 18:29:47 GMT
Leaders take responsibility and lead. Widdrington having sly pops at the former manager and at Holloway, added to his press conference last week, show he is not a leader and not director calibre. He is unable to take responsibility for poor decisions. It seems that managers do not make the signings or appoint their back room staff, two things I would expect to be top of the agenda for a a manager. Widdrington appears smug when he wins, but he reminds me of John Ward in 2014 when we won a game and made a joke about people thinking we needed new strikers. I’m concerned that 3 good managers have now felt the need to publicly critics the board or lack of backing. There is clearly a problem which the board would sooner cover up with sly digs here and there rather than address. I also don’t think Holloway is the clown people try to make out and he’s using the Post to get serious messages across to the fan base. I’m a bit surprised so many seem fine with the digs that have been thrown about. It’s not normal is it for a director of a football club to be so blatant in the media in terms of putting the blame on a now departed manager who no doubt is under some sort of NDA? Surely you can play down any issues in front of the media and keep the grievances in house? One thing is for sure he has a sizeable ego and does not take even the slightest criticism well. It can’t be easy to work with someone like that who is in charge of providing the players you have to utilise unless you are a fairly meek character.
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Post by basel on Feb 17, 2021 18:37:52 GMT
Fair play to Paul Tisdale. Good luck in the future to the bloke.
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 17, 2021 19:00:31 GMT
My first thought having read that and listened to the interview after last night's game is that our club is totally dysfunctional. Tisdale appears to be saying that the structure is unworkable, last night's interview was riddled with veiled criticism of him, and what appeared to be a direct broadside at Holloway. Maybe B***** would fit in after all? is it feasible to say that W was pissed off at not getting the job instead of Tisdale.... as for B***** he would fight hisself just to say he won the war!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 19:17:56 GMT
Leaders take responsibility and lead. Widdrington having sly pops at the former manager and at Holloway, added to his press conference last week, show he is not a leader and not director calibre. He is unable to take responsibility for poor decisions. It seems that managers do not make the signings or appoint their back room staff, two things I would expect to be top of the agenda for a a manager. Widdrington appears smug when he wins, but he reminds me of John Ward in 2014 when we won a game and made a joke about people thinking we needed new strikers. I’m concerned that 3 good managers have now felt the need to publicly critics the board or lack of backing. There is clearly a problem which the board would sooner cover up with sly digs here and there rather than address. I also don’t think Holloway is the clown people try to make out and he’s using the Post to get serious messages across to the fan base. I’m a bit surprised so many seem fine with the digs that have been thrown about. It’s not normal is it for a director of a football club to be so blatant in the media in terms of putting the blame on a now departed manager who no doubt is under some sort of NDA? Surely you can play down any issues in front of the media and keep the grievances in house? One thing is for sure he has a sizeable ego and does not take even the slightest criticism well. It can’t be easy to work with someone like that who is in charge of providing the players you have to utilise unless you are a fairly meek character. I think a Director of Football, sitting above a first team manager in the hierarchy, should bring a level of experience to support the manager. Ie. Lennie Lawrence who has been there and done it. We now have a failed non league manager running the show and behaving like a child in interviews calling out those who criticise him. Very poor leadership, disrespectful and typical behaviours in the workplace of someone promoted beyond their level of competency. I would like to see Mr Widdrington put his managerial medals on the table opposite Messrs Tisdale and Holloway if he wants to call them out. And Martyn Starnes has admitted himself he got the job because he’s a friend of Waels and needed a job. If we are going down the route of paid directors rather than well intentioned local businessmen then I’d like to see Wael pay a little more for people of the required calibre as it will pay dividends in the long run. On the plus side, I like Tom Gorringe, he seems a breath of fresh air
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 17, 2021 19:49:54 GMT
I’m a bit surprised so many seem fine with the digs that have been thrown about. It’s not normal is it for a director of a football club to be so blatant in the media in terms of putting the blame on a now departed manager who no doubt is under some sort of NDA? Surely you can play down any issues in front of the media and keep the grievances in house? One thing is for sure he has a sizeable ego and does not take even the slightest criticism well. It can’t be easy to work with someone like that who is in charge of providing the players you have to utilise unless you are a fairly meek character. I think a Director of Football, sitting above a first team manager in the hierarchy, should bring a level of experience to support the manager. Ie. Lennie Lawrence who has been there and done it. We now have a failed non league manager running the show and behaving like a child in interviews calling out those who criticise him. Very poor leadership, disrespectful and typical behaviours in the workplace of someone promoted beyond their level of competency. I would like to see Mr Widdrington put his managerial medals on the table opposite Messrs Tisdale and Holloway if he wants to call them out. And Martyn Starnes has admitted himself he got the job because he’s a friend of Waels and needed a job. If we are going down the route of paid directors rather than well intentioned local businessmen then I’d like to see Wael pay a little more for people of the required calibre as it will pay dividends in the long run. On the plus side, I like Tom Gorringe, he seems a breath of fresh air To be fair Ollie called him out first. TW has just responded regardless of whether Ollie was telling the truth or not Not suggesting he was right to do so
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:04:21 GMT
I think a Director of Football, sitting above a first team manager in the hierarchy, should bring a level of experience to support the manager. Ie. Lennie Lawrence who has been there and done it. We now have a failed non league manager running the show and behaving like a child in interviews calling out those who criticise him. Very poor leadership, disrespectful and typical behaviours in the workplace of someone promoted beyond their level of competency. I would like to see Mr Widdrington put his managerial medals on the table opposite Messrs Tisdale and Holloway if he wants to call them out. And Martyn Starnes has admitted himself he got the job because he’s a friend of Waels and needed a job. If we are going down the route of paid directors rather than well intentioned local businessmen then I’d like to see Wael pay a little more for people of the required calibre as it will pay dividends in the long run. On the plus side, I like Tom Gorringe, he seems a breath of fresh air To be fair Ollie called him out first. TW has just responded regardless of whether Ollie was telling the truth or not Not suggesting he was right to do so I agree Peter to a point, but managers at this level need the experience to deal with what’s written in the press. He would have had a much easier ride in the Eastbourne Mercury. I also believe that Ollie has too much knowledge and experience to be ignored when he speaks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:04:34 GMT
I think a Director of Football, sitting above a first team manager in the hierarchy, should bring a level of experience to support the manager. Ie. Lennie Lawrence who has been there and done it. We now have a failed non league manager running the show and behaving like a child in interviews calling out those who criticise him. Very poor leadership, disrespectful and typical behaviours in the workplace of someone promoted beyond their level of competency. I would like to see Mr Widdrington put his managerial medals on the table opposite Messrs Tisdale and Holloway if he wants to call them out. And Martyn Starnes has admitted himself he got the job because he’s a friend of Waels and needed a job. If we are going down the route of paid directors rather than well intentioned local businessmen then I’d like to see Wael pay a little more for people of the required calibre as it will pay dividends in the long run. On the plus side, I like Tom Gorringe, he seems a breath of fresh air To be fair Ollie called him out first. TW has just responded regardless of whether Ollie was telling the truth or not Not suggesting he was right to do so There's all the difference in the world between how you act when you have an official position and what you can get away with when, like Holloway, you are a free agent. I honestly thought that we had entered a new professional era when Wael gave his first interviews. I should add, I don't know what Holloway said, but there's normally professional respect shown between people who make their living out of the game, so maybe he did speak out of turn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:12:53 GMT
To be fair Ollie called him out first. TW has just responded regardless of whether Ollie was telling the truth or not Not suggesting he was right to do so There's all the difference in the world between how you act when you have an official position and what you can get away with when, like Holloway, you are a free agent. I honestly thought that we had entered a new professional era when Wael gave his first interviews. I should add, I don't know what Holloway said, but there's normally professional respect shown between people who make their living out of the game, so maybe he did speak out of turn. If Ollie spoke out of turn then I’m sure he will have received a stern warning and an apology will be printed. If he was wrong there is a professional way of categorically refuting what was said, and failing that there’s libel law. Or, of course, Ollie could have hit the nail on the head
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 17, 2021 20:18:16 GMT
Lockdown not good for some. Some over analysis going on methinks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:28:02 GMT
Lockdown not good for some. Some over analysis going on methinks. Or keep it simple and blindly follow the next manager, and the next, and the next
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 17, 2021 20:38:07 GMT
As I have said previously.... the problem is obvious to see.... it’s right under our noses. The board are made up of salaried individuals who are not Bristol Rovers supporters. There primary aim is to keep their presumably fairly well paid jobs. Whilst I’m not a supporter of those on the board I have met I don’t blame them! Their self preservation has to come first for them. I have direct experience of both the owner and two board members and whilst this is my opinion it is an opinion based on personal and fairly extensive experience. I’ve met the owner several times face to face and many times by video call, telephone call and messages etc. I’ve met two members of the board once face to face also. The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think it’s a shame that wael is based in Jordan as I suspect things maybe different if he was here full time. To be fair to him he needs people to look after the day to day running of the club. My theory, and it’s just a theory is that wael would love B***** but he’s our boards worst nightmare.... I suspect there is some push back from the board which is why we have what feels like a hot and cold situation regarding JB as manager. I would imagine he is about as far from being a ‘yes man’ as you could find! I have learned a lot from my experience and the main learning point is that I took for granted that the board members would be passionate and forward thinking regarding progress. That was my biggest mistake and if I had a other crack I would definitely try a different approach. I realise the above is just an opinion of mine, albeit based on my experience but the basic facts are there for all to see. I’m not advocating JB as manager by the way as I have no idea how it would work and I can see he is a massive risk. I am however sick of incompetence and the totally unprofessional approach we demonstrate consistently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:43:33 GMT
The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think we have been here before.
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 17, 2021 20:44:54 GMT
The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think we have been here before. And I’m convinced we will keep returning here over and over again!
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 17, 2021 20:45:56 GMT
As I have said previously.... the problem is obvious to see.... it’s right under our noses. The board are made up of salaried individuals who are not Bristol Rovers supporters. There primary aim is to keep their presumably fairly well paid jobs. Whilst I’m not a supporter of those on the board I have met I don’t blame them! Their self preservation has to come first for them. I have direct experience of both the owner and two board members and whilst this is my opinion it is an opinion based on personal and fairly extensive experience. I’ve met the owner several times face to face and many times by video call, telephone call and messages etc. I’ve met two members of the board once face to face also. The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think it’s a shame that wael is based in Jordan as I suspect things maybe different if he was here full time. To be fair to him he needs people to look after the day to day running of the club. My theory, and it’s just a theory is that wael would love B***** but he’s our boards worst nightmare.... I suspect there is some push back from the board which is why we have what feels like a hot and cold situation regarding JB as manager. I would imagine he is about as far from being a ‘yes man’ as you could find! I have learned a lot from my experience and the main learning point is that I took for granted that the board members would be passionate and forward thinking regarding progress. That was my biggest mistake and if I had a other crack I would definitely try a different approach. I realise the above is just an opinion of mine, albeit based on my experience but the basic facts are there for all to see. I’m not advocating JB as manager by the way as I have no idea how it would work and I can see he is a massive risk. I am however sick of incompetence and the totally unprofessional approach we demonstrate consistently. B***** is trouble. Wael is a gent. I can't see B***** being Wael's choice for that reason
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 17, 2021 20:47:22 GMT
As I have said previously.... the problem is obvious to see.... it’s right under our noses. The board are made up of salaried individuals who are not Bristol Rovers supporters. There primary aim is to keep their presumably fairly well paid jobs. Whilst I’m not a supporter of those on the board I have met I don’t blame them! Their self preservation has to come first for them. I have direct experience of both the owner and two board members and whilst this is my opinion it is an opinion based on personal and fairly extensive experience. I’ve met the owner several times face to face and many times by video call, telephone call and messages etc. I’ve met two members of the board once face to face also. The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think it’s a shame that wael is based in Jordan as I suspect things maybe different if he was here full time. To be fair to him he needs people to look after the day to day running of the club. My theory, and it’s just a theory is that wael would love B***** but he’s our boards worst nightmare.... I suspect there is some push back from the board which is why we have what feels like a hot and cold situation regarding JB as manager. I would imagine he is about as far from being a ‘yes man’ as you could find! I have learned a lot from my experience and the main learning point is that I took for granted that the board members would be passionate and forward thinking regarding progress. That was my biggest mistake and if I had a other crack I would definitely try a different approach. I realise the above is just an opinion of mine, albeit based on my experience but the basic facts are there for all to see. I’m not advocating JB as manager by the way as I have no idea how it would work and I can see he is a massive risk. I am however sick of incompetence and the totally unprofessional approach we demonstrate consistently. B***** is trouble. Wael is a gent. I can't see B***** being Wael's choice for that reason Maybe!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 20:51:05 GMT
Another question from me, and yes laughing gas, this is probably lock down over analysis, but having said in an interview that he did not like 3 at the back before playing a back 4 with some success, did Tisdale then revert to a back 3 and continue on a disastrous run with it? Not only that, but the exact same system Garner employed with the same results? Makes more sense now than it did then
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 21:25:51 GMT
There's all the difference in the world between how you act when you have an official position and what you can get away with when, like Holloway, you are a free agent. I honestly thought that we had entered a new professional era when Wael gave his first interviews. I should add, I don't know what Holloway said, but there's normally professional respect shown between people who make their living out of the game, so maybe he did speak out of turn. If Ollie spoke out of turn then I’m sure he will have received a stern warning and an apology will be printed. If he was wrong there is a professional way of categorically refuting what was said, and failing that there’s libel law. Or, of course, Ollie could have hit the nail on the head There won't be any kind of 'stern warning', just lost respect from his peers within the game.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 17, 2021 22:46:51 GMT
If Ollie spoke out of turn then I’m sure he will have received a stern warning and an apology will be printed. If he was wrong there is a professional way of categorically refuting what was said, and failing that there’s libel law. Or, of course, Ollie could have hit the nail on the head There won't be any kind of 'stern warning', just lost respect from his peers within the game. Having been involved with the Football Writers Association (North) and meeting with experienced managers in my time with a bank that sponsored their meetings I can tell you his peers won't worry about what Ollie says or lose respect for him. It's all about copy and news which will be forgotten as soon as it is written. Apart that is by Widdrington! The managers and writers all have their own views and football is a close knit community. They all know each other and discuss matters regularly. Rovers get a lot of print thanks to Holloway. It won't do Widdrington much good to diss Holloway as he is quite well liked in the footballing community. But I can understand why like others have said he is defending his corner and his job. However I don't think he is doing himself or Rovers any favours and needs to focus on the job in hand rather than protecting his ego.
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