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Post by lostinspace on Feb 13, 2021 20:31:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 20:37:39 GMT
It doesn't bother me either way but I was impressed with Oxford requesting to show unity with a Rovers player who had suffered racist abuse on social media prior to our game. I applauded both sides taking the knee side by side, that was the closest we got to them for the rest of the night.
What shocked me was the reaction from our Neanderthal section of supporters saying they wanted a refund on their season tickets. I do hope the club took them up on their offer and also thanked them for never attending again.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 13, 2021 20:42:30 GMT
that was the closest we got to them for the rest of the night.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 20:57:06 GMT
If I thought that taking the knee would help in combating racism then I'd support it, although I dislike compulsory shows of position or opinions, including those with which I agree. My opposition to the kneeling is due mainly to it being so counterproductive. I'll be glad when it dies out, as of course it will. It's a stupid thing to disrespect others observing it, though.
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Post by basel on Feb 13, 2021 22:04:11 GMT
I'm actually quite sure millions of Britons think it really quite ridiculous,the kneeling down thing.I am equally sure they are not screaming racists.
We live in very strange times indeed.
Edit.I hope it stops,say by the end of today.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 13, 2021 22:09:10 GMT
I'm actually quite sure millions of Britons think it really quite ridiculous,the kneeling down thing.I am equally sure they are not screaming racists. We live in very strange times indeed. If the players choose to do it, so be it. If they dont, so be it. Some people seem to get uptight about players making a free choice to do it though because they equate it with something else |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 23:25:41 GMT
I'm actually quite sure millions of Britons think it really quite ridiculous,the kneeling down thing.I am equally sure they are not screaming racists. We live in very strange times indeed. If the players choose to do it, so be it. If they dont, so be it. Some people seem to get uptight about players making a free choice to do it though because they equate it with something else But that’s the thing isn’t it? If some equate it with a political movement and boo they are then judged as animals and vilified. Surely it has to be freedom of expression for all or nothing? If some boo just cheer louder than them and see who wins. I agree with our avian friend, forced displays of obedience are worthless. Let people observe it how they see fit. |
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Post by chelt_gas on Feb 13, 2021 23:43:43 GMT
I'm actually quite sure millions of Britons think it really quite ridiculous,the kneeling down thing.I am equally sure they are not screaming racists. We live in very strange times indeed. If the players choose to do it, so be it. If they dont, so be it. Some people seem to get uptight about players making a free choice to do it though because they equate it with something else There are other arguably more oppressed groups in the world that arguably warrant more attention. I wonder if this wokeness from footballers will extend to the truely oppressed in the world. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 14, 2021 7:28:08 GMT
If the players choose to do it, so be it. If they dont, so be it. Some people seem to get uptight about players making a free choice to do it though because they equate it with something else But that’s the thing isn’t it? If some equate it with a political movement and boo they are then judged as animals and vilified. Surely it has to be freedom of expression for all or nothing? If some boo just cheer louder than them and see who wins. I agree with our avian friend, forced displays of obedience are worthless. Let people observe it how they see fit. Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anything |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 14, 2021 7:47:42 GMT
I wish someone would take Mark Little's knee and replace it with something bionic.
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Feb 14, 2021 18:26:54 GMT
But that’s the thing isn’t it? If some equate it with a political movement and boo they are then judged as animals and vilified. Surely it has to be freedom of expression for all or nothing? If some boo just cheer louder than them and see who wins. I agree with our avian friend, forced displays of obedience are worthless. Let people observe it how they see fit. Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anythingIf so, why do the press make such an issue of players who refuse to take the knee? I think it should be an entirely voluntary thing with no pressure on players either way Not taking the knee does not make one a screaming racist, whilst taking the knee, if that's how a player feels, is okay. Pretty sure the practice will die out soon and personally prefer the Kick It Out campaign, which had no possible political inferences. |
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Post by absent on Feb 14, 2021 19:40:06 GMT
Yes, the anti-racism campaigns should be as unobtrusive as possible, lest they might achieve something.
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 14, 2021 23:13:41 GMT
Needs to stop too many repetitive strain Injuries to Jaakkolla and Little as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 0:04:08 GMT
But that’s the thing isn’t it? If some equate it with a political movement and boo they are then judged as animals and vilified. Surely it has to be freedom of expression for all or nothing? If some boo just cheer louder than them and see who wins. I agree with our avian friend, forced displays of obedience are worthless. Let people observe it how they see fit. Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anything As you've obviously given it plenty of thought, why do you think people are opposed to it? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 15, 2021 6:29:56 GMT
Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anything As you've obviously given it plenty of thought, why do you think people are opposed to it? Firstly as I say, I feel it has run it's course, at least in the UK. Why do i think people are opposed to it? I dont need to think anything as many people (not all) are quite happy to put it out there. Antifa, Marxist, rubbish or just plain racist |
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Post by gastower on Feb 15, 2021 9:04:12 GMT
But that’s the thing isn’t it? If some equate it with a political movement and boo they are then judged as animals and vilified. Surely it has to be freedom of expression for all or nothing? If some boo just cheer louder than them and see who wins. I agree with our avian friend, forced displays of obedience are worthless. Let people observe it how they see fit. Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anything Do you think if a referee and linesmen refused to take the knee they would be allocated a game the following week ? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 15, 2021 9:14:27 GMT
Personally I think we are at the point, where i think taking the knee (in the UK at least) before games has ran its course, but if the players choose to still do it, then fine with me As I say some people get upset with it because they associate it with something else because they have read some dodgy facebook post. I dont think there are a vast amount of reasons some people booed it We should do more to raise awareness for other oppressed people, not really a reason to boo players taking a knee that they choose to though is it No one is being forced to do anything Do you think if a referee and linesmen refused to take the knee they would be allocated a game the following week ? They might be asked to do it by the league, but if they didn't they shouldn't be punished. Whether they feel they have to is a different question n The knee is a player led initiative and the players voted in the majority to keep doing it and our supported by the league and the officials |
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Post by gastower on Feb 15, 2021 9:32:14 GMT
Agreed but who is going to be the first to break ranks.?An ex league linesman I know is convinced no one will for fear of punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:42:54 GMT
As you've obviously given it plenty of thought, why do you think people are opposed to it? Firstly as I say, I feel it has run it's course, at least in the UK. Why do i think people are opposed to it? I dont need to think anything as many people (not all) are quite happy to put it out there. Antifa, Marxist, rubbish or just plain racist Well, it was used widely during last summer's riots across the UK and America, BLM the organisation were at the forefront of those disturbances, they are an extremist left organisation, so it's not difficult to see why people want to distance themselves from that. Add to that our national football team being told that strictly no political symbols allowed, I'm sure some people will remember that and make that connection and see some double standards being applied. Yes, sadly from what we are told about social media it appears that there are still some people who, for some reason, think that skin colour matters. I'm sure we stand shoulder to shoulder in condemning that vile behaviour.. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 15, 2021 11:10:30 GMT
Firstly as I say, I feel it has run it's course, at least in the UK. Why do i think people are opposed to it? I dont need to think anything as many people (not all) are quite happy to put it out there. Antifa, Marxist, rubbish or just plain racist I'm sure we stand shoulder to shoulder in condemning that vile behaviour.. Should we take the shoulder instead then? |
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