LJG
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Post by LJG on Jun 3, 2014 22:36:01 GMT
They'll be pie-smelling scoffs from box 1 from any please. I bet the directors wipe their arse with black and gold scarfs. Errr ... eh?
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 4, 2014 0:20:49 GMT
I don't think questioning the boards ability and competence following our relegation is 'board bashing' it is merely loyal and very angry fans expressing their views in a constructive manner and wanting to hear from them what they are doing to address the mistakes 'they' say have taken place. What are fans supposed to do stand up and applaud the board for their failings, it isn't the fans who run the club or make decisions about signing players that are clearly not medically fit to last one season let alone three. I'm no board basher, I appreciate they have a difficult job but I'm quite in my right as a season ticket holder and SC member to expect the board to respond to my concerns as a stakeholder about how they have mismanaged the club and who is culpable for the failings we have witnessed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 0:29:34 GMT
They'll be pie-smelling scoffs from box 1 from any please. I bet the directors wipe their arse with black and gold scarfs. Errr ... eh? Post of the day I thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 0:41:52 GMT
I don't think questioning thanswers s ability and competence following our relegation is 'board bashing' it is merely loyal and very angry fans expressing their views in a constructive manner and wanting to hear from them what they are doing to address the mistakes 'they' say have taken place. What are fans supposed to do stand up and applaud the board for their failings, it isn't the fans who run the club or make decisions about signing players that are clearly not medically fit to last one season let alone three. I'm no board basher, I appreciate they have a difficult job but I'm quite in my right as a season ticket holder and SC member to expect the board to respond to my concerns as a stakeholder about how they have mismanaged the club and who is culpable for the failings we have witnessed. Yep But sadly it has taken relegation to galvanise fans into demanding answers. Evidence of rot and decline has been there for years, its all a bit too late to start crying when it all comes crashing down around you. Even the new stadium does not make sense. Can anyone explain how that is fully funded? Given that this is, apparently, the most important event in the clubs history and essential to the future of the club you would have thought this should be crystal clear, especially now any sort of positivity would be welcome. Not only silence, but I despaired when I read the questions for the SC EGM. Mostly rhetorical questions, and the stadium is not even mentioned, apart from an implied "well done" You dont get what you dont ask for, and BRFC fans never ask.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 4, 2014 2:01:11 GMT
Will we get to the third Sunday in July ?
A few days ago someone posted the dreaded words "personal guarantees".
It sailed over most people's heads but I'm sure it would have been well noted by Cheshire Gas, Simon Gould and anyone else who has had to deal with "personal guarantees" from either side of the fence. Up till now it's been a fairly easy ride for the board to put up cash backed by the security of land but, from what we know, the scene will change if the UWE goes ahead. Nick has said "the Directors will cover any shortfall" but that is easier said than done especially when the sums turn out to be far greater than expected and there is no freehold land as security. It must be an agonizing experience to be asked to put at risk everything you have worked for all your life and to know that even if you do it may all be in vain.
If this is what is happening right now then I believe even the most critical of us should have some sympathy with the Director's dilemma. But nevertheless we should still demand the board swallow their pride if necessary and tell us the truth rather than keeping up the pretense that all is well by using even more vacuous reasoning. If they have a major problem then far better they come clean and share it with us rather than bottle it all up until the whole thing explodes and everyone with an affinity for Rovers suffers the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 2:27:15 GMT
H'mm "they have made things worse since relegation". Well closed / suspended the official forum. Well firstly we were one of a handful of clubs with a forum, but I will say the innocent got punished with the guilty here. Yes there were some posts that were slanderous, and if no one is willing to moderate, then yes "close it". Then they go to the FA / FL with a complaint about Wycombe. I have no complaint against that, if Wycombe cheated then they need to be punished. What else have they done?
I'm not a board lover, Higgs is the worst chairman this club has ever had, but until someone comes along with a lot of money nothing is going to change. As for those misguided souls who think the club should be run by the fans, I will just say...........Exeter and Wycombe. both in financial trouble, and both in trouble with the FA.
If we start of winning and end up at the top end of the league, most of this will be forgotten. remember this forum is a small minority of fans The first post on here with a true balanced view :england:
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 4, 2014 5:25:54 GMT
Will we get to the third Sunday in July ? A few days ago someone posted the dreaded words "personal guarantees". It sailed over most people's heads but I'm sure it would have been well noted by Cheshire Gas, Simon Gould and anyone else who has had to deal with "personal guarantees" from either side of the fence. Up till now it's been a fairly easy ride for the board to put up cash backed by the security of land but, from what we know, the scene will change if the UWE goes ahead. Nick has said "the Directors will cover any shortfall" but that is easier said than done especially when the sums turn out to be far greater than expected and there is no freehold land as security. It must be an agonizing experience to be asked to put at risk everything you have worked for all your life and to know that even if you do it may all be in vain. If this is what is happening right now then I believe even the most critical of us should have some sympathy with the Director's dilemma. But nevertheless we should still demand the board swallow their pride if necessary and tell us the truth rather than keeping up the pretense that all is well by using even more vacuous reasoning. If they have a major problem then far better they come clean and share it with us rather than bottle it all up until the whole thing explodes and everyone with an affinity for Rovers suffers the consequences. Agree. No one knows how UWE is being funded apart from Sainsburys money. People tell us it will make money, but how, when not much is known about who will be using it. All these facilities wont have hundreds of people descending on it just because ot is built and there from day one. When people talk of investment, it interests me as UWE isnt worth the land it is built on, only the money it can generate, so what are the club going to value themselves at should new investment/owners come along
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 5:33:36 GMT
Will we get to the third Sunday in July ? A few days ago someone posted the dreaded words "personal guarantees". It sailed over most people's heads but I'm sure it would have been well noted by Cheshire Gas, Simon Gould and anyone else who has had to deal with "personal guarantees" from either side of the fence. Up till now it's been a fairly easy ride for the board to put up cash backed by the security of land but, from what we know, the scene will change if the UWE goes ahead. Nick has said "the Directors will cover any shortfall" but that is easier said than done especially when the sums turn out to be far greater than expected and there is no freehold land as security. It must be an agonizing experience to be asked to put at risk everything you have worked for all your life and to know that even if you do it may all be in vain. If this is what is happening right now then I believe even the most critical of us should have some sympathy with the Director's dilemma. But nevertheless we should still demand the board swallow their pride if necessary and tell us the truth rather than keeping up the pretense that all is well by using even more vacuous reasoning. If they have a major problem then far better they come clean and share it with us rather than bottle it all up until the whole thing explodes and everyone with an affinity for Rovers suffers the consequences. Agree. No one knows how UWE is being funded apart from Sainsburys money. People tell us it will make money, but how, when not much is known about who will be using it. All these facilities wont have hundreds of people descending on it just because ot is built and there from day one. When people talk of investment, it interests me as UWE isnt worth the land it is built on, only the money it can generate, so what are the club going to value themselves at should new investment/owners come along How about this for a scenario :- BRFC will only own 50% of the holding company,BRFC Stadium Holdings (2014) Ltd, the rest being held by a consortium headed by a local well known entrepreneurial person with links to UWE...... What was it 125 year peppercorn rent some board member said...... :england:
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 4, 2014 5:37:26 GMT
Agree. No one knows how UWE is being funded apart from Sainsburys money. People tell us it will make money, but how, when not much is known about who will be using it. All these facilities wont have hundreds of people descending on it just because ot is built and there from day one. When people talk of investment, it interests me as UWE isnt worth the land it is built on, only the money it can generate, so what are the club going to value themselves at should new investment/owners come along How about this for a scenario :- BRFC will only own 50% of the holding company,BRFC Stadium Holdings (2014) Ltd, the rest being held by a consortium headed by a local well known entrepreneurial person with links to UWE...... What was it 125 year peppercorn rent some board member said...... :england: Yeah but the board said 'we' will own the ground and i have no reason to disbeleive them. ;/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 5:58:59 GMT
How about this for a scenario :- BRFC will only own 50% of the holding company,BRFC Stadium Holdings (2014) Ltd, the rest being held by a consortium headed by a local well known entrepreneurial person with links to UWE...... What was it 125 year peppercorn rent some board member said...... :england: Yeah but the board said 'we' will own the ground and i have no reason to disbeleive them. ;/ was that a "We" as chairman of BRFC or as Chairman of BRFC Stadium Holdings (2014) Ltd.....
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Post by jozer on Jun 4, 2014 6:44:20 GMT
If this is what is happening right now then I believe even the most critical of us should have some sympathy with the Director's dilemma. No. Not an ounce. They chose to 'manage' the club's finances in this way. They have insulted Fans who question this or offer help and advice at every turn. With their 'git orf moi laaaand' attitude and their bulls**t platitudes. If they all had to walk away without a penny I would split my sides laughing. I was one of the original Donor Scheme mugs. Never again.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 4, 2014 6:53:12 GMT
Yeah but the board said 'we' will own the ground and i have no reason to disbeleive them. ;/ was that a "We" as chairman of BRFC or as Chairman of BRFC Stadium Holdings (2014) Ltd..... 1883 Ltd was what I took it to mean
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Post by irishrover on Jun 4, 2014 13:30:42 GMT
This board bashing nonsense is very childish at times and quite boring. I guess it is a reflection of todays society where people want someone sacked when things go wrong. Fans were part of the downfall in my opinion..... Slagging off our own players for years on the forum, demanding the sacking of successive managers and now its the board? Ladies and gents, please be careful what you ask for, you might just get it and find that the grass is not greener on the other side! Unite behind everything rovers, including the board and we will be stronger. The key question to ask you here is unite behind what exactly? The point is that the Board cannot have their cake and eat it. They have run the club in a secretive high handed way for a long time now. They have not behaved like custodians of the club (in the way that those who argue the 'be careful what you wish for' line have always said) who are open to peoples help and opinion. They have behaved like an elite, paranoid cabal. As a result of that a lot of people do not see a whole lot there to unite behind. That is the problem. It's a problem they've made entirely for themselves. I think it started out with upsetting a few longstanding hard working people around the club and supporters groups - some of whom were treated very badly indeed from what I can see. It then moved on to a general suspicion of any criticism at all so that they maintained the position of club = board urgo any criticism of board = anti-club. This is just nonsense, completely unproductive and in the end just alienates more and more parts of the fanbase. Coupled with a completely clueless attitude to managing the relationship with fans and PR and a constant passing of the buck outwards and downwards (it's all the fault of the managers, the coaches, the players, now the fans apparently). Accountability starts at the top and I want to hear some especially at a time like this. That's from someone who was always perceived as pro-board on the old AF. You cannot have a 'my way or the highway' attitude to running a football club, not deliver success and then expect everyone to continue blindly supporting you. There is currently no positive unified vision to unite behind - this is the heart of the problem. What there appears to be right now is a paranoid shambles that wants everything on its own terms, Nothing to do with today's society (whatever that really means) and everything to do with a failure to show old fashioned leadership values.
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