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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 12, 2021 13:06:36 GMT
The last Gashead in charge lost us our league status and took all sorts of flack from Rich, among others, for his vain pursuit of the UWE white elephant that would have put the club back on leasehold - the very situation that hammered a wedge under the front wheels of the club in the first place following what appears to have been a decision by one man to sell off Eastville. Let's not dwell on the ins and outs of that but rather the impact it had on the club DNA, the set of shared values, goals, attitudes and practices that are etched in stone and which characterise an organisation. The day Eastville was sold was the day the first "attribute" was chiseled onto the Rovers' runestone: Knee-jerk. A few more have been added since: Laughing Stock, Tinpot, Ragbag. Wael took over with the message Evolution not Revolution and you don't have to look further than Almondsbury to see how true he is to his word. Leave Wael alone I say. As for Starnes, Garner was widely seen within the game as a rising star with an impressive CV as a top tier coach. He also fitted in well with Wael's evolution mantra. If you don't take a chance on someone like that when you have the rare chance then you're not doing your job. This season should have been a clean sheet for Garner because he had to bed in a whole new set of players and 11 games is hardly enough to do that. But the old knee-jerk kicked in again. His away record of W2 D2 L1 was good and I think he would have had us halfway up the table by now with his style of football suited to the players he brought in. One thing that stood out to me was he was genuinely motivated, unlike Tisdale who looked like somebody who had returned to something he once left and regretted it. He didn't seem that motivated. Again, you can't blame Starnes for going for him considering his CV. I'm not sure how many games Rich has seen this season or last, not many I don't think. I've seen most of them on iFollow, not that it makes me an expert, but all the same. Time to put a stick of dynamite under that runestone and start again. Oh come on CPB, that's stretching it well beyond credulity. How about "Garner was seen as an old acquaintance of Wael's and was hired accordingly". Can't prove it. Makes a lot more sense than your statement though. Apologies in advance. I quite liked the UWE leasehold, to equate it to exactly the same as the last days of the Eastville one is more spin than substance. it was a good place for a stadium, using the UWE car parks, nearby train station and motorway, bus links (UWE has its own bus depot)
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 12, 2021 13:20:27 GMT
Where did this 5 strikers come from? They didn't You provide your DOF with a list of potential signings, you don't expect to sign them all but it is nice to get a small percentage. But where is it stated a list of 5 strikers was presented to TW? But then you knew that was the question.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 14:24:55 GMT
They didn't You provide your DOF with a list of potential signings, you don't expect to sign them all but it is nice to get a small percentage. But where is it stated a list of 5 strikers was presented to TW? But then you knew that was the question. It was stated in a phone call earlier but then again you knew that would be the answer.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2021 14:32:30 GMT
Good read. Sounds about right. One thing that had escaped me though. We signed Paul Tisdale on a 2 1/2 year contract?!? So another big chunk of cash thrown out the window to pay him off. And doubtless a top up on the NDA to make sure he doesn't spill the beans on all the fun he's had in BS7 over the last 3 wonderful months. Some may say it's Wael's money and he can do what he likes. I say he's made us a laughing stock. BRFC, home address B*ll Sh*t 7. Money spent but it was the wrong decision and Wael will live by his decisions. At least he has seen when he has got it wrong. Did any of us envisage such a poor run after the Blackpool game? Even Sheff Utd. Tisdale had no plan a let along plan b, i maintain that over confidence in signing Stockley had something to do with it, the 2 Oxford goalscorers the other night came in the window and we can likely pay better than them. Not having a players signed by 1st Jan was criminal, Garner must be both laughing and crying as he would probably have done better. The thing is we will never know but he got booted the moment he even hinted at the problem being higher up. We won’t know if he had strikers in mind or whatever he had planned. It’s another David Penney type of dismissal.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 12, 2021 14:32:45 GMT
But where is it stated a list of 5 strikers was presented to TW? But then you knew that was the question. It was stated in a phone call earlier but then again you knew that would be the answer. I hung up, assumed was another Amazon Prime hoax call.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 14:33:19 GMT
It was stated in a phone call earlier but then again you knew that would be the answer. I hung up, assumed was another Amazon Prime hoax call.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2021 14:48:09 GMT
Today TW and Board speak to the media. I'll be surprised if it's anything other than cliched bulls***. I wonder if TW will tell us why he failed to sign any of the 5 strikers that Tisdale provided him with details of? "I can only work with the tools that I'm given" should be enshrined on Tis's Rovers headstone. It’s quite strange how a small group are now trying to say that Tisdale was told to bring in a striker but failed to do so. This is just all too familiar and is every bit as bad & embarrassing as we were, whilst NH was in charge. I really hoped we had seen the last of that
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2021 14:51:42 GMT
Today TW and Board speak to the media. I'll be surprised if it's anything other than cliched bulls***. A goldenboy promotion ? 🤪🤪🤪
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2021 14:53:28 GMT
Today TW and Board speak to the media. I'll be surprised if it's anything other than cliched bulls***. I wonder if TW will tell us why he failed to sign any of the 5 strikers that Tisdale provided him with details of? "I can only work with the tools that I'm given" should be enshrined on Tis's Rovers headstone. With that nugget, it now gives his post match interviews, make sense, a bit at least
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2021 14:57:47 GMT
To get back to his style. He strode across the lush green catwalk resplendent in his office suit and clumpy club tie with the air of a man who'd been told to take the gig he'd started just as he was about to get off home to his egg and chips. Can't recall if he wore highly polished brogues, a pair of Nikes or tartan slippers. You mean a Windsor knot, I guess ?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 16, 2021 23:02:38 GMT
Just seen interview, and ok it's easier after a good win, but..... it's a very decent interview. Likable. Ticks boxes. Says what we kinda want to hear. I'm warmer towards TW and especially anyone that can help the club to move forward by winning. I know he won't get the full time gig, but it's encouraging.. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/reaction-portsmouth/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:23:05 GMT
Just seen interview, and ok it's easier after a good win, but..... it's a very decent interview. Likable. Ticks boxes. Says what we kinda want to hear. I'm warmer towards TW and especially anyone that can help the club to move forward by winning. I know he won't get the full time gig, but it's encouraging.. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/reaction-portsmouth/Much better than his showing last week. In terms of style of football it’s interesting he talked about simple instruction- the two previous managers were not brought in to give simple instructions though. I’m sure both Garner and Tisdale could have told them to hit the big fella up front but they weren’t brought in to do that they brought in to play complex passing football so I wonder what their thoughts would be on this squad finally putting in a performance after abandoning their principles on passing the ball?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 17, 2021 5:47:46 GMT
Just seen interview, and ok it's easier after a good win, but..... it's a very decent interview. Likable. Ticks boxes. Says what we kinda want to hear. I'm warmer towards TW and especially anyone that can help the club to move forward by winning. I know he won't get the full time gig, but it's encouraging.. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/february/reaction-portsmouth/Much better than his showing last week. In terms of style of football it’s interesting he talked about simple instruction- the two previous managers were not brought in to give simple instructions though. I’m sure both Garner and Tisdale could have told them to hit the big fella up front but they weren’t brought in to do that they brought in to play complex passing football so I wonder what their thoughts would be on this squad finally putting in a performance after abandoning their principles on passing the ball? Good post and question, wmg. I don't see it as binary, there's a time and a place to play complex football, and there's a time and place to go more direct. Portsmouth fell foul of getting caught in possession because their fella didn't know what timing. I posted pre match in the thread I instinctively liked dropping Ehmer and the captaincy, playing two bone fide strikers up front, and playing players in their natural positions. It doesn't have to be rigid, it can be versatile, but the simplicity of the starting line up made sense. Maybe that style worked, and will only work a finite number of times? Who knows? Defending higher up the pitch definitely helped. Playing players in their natural positions and aiding support to Hanlan added balance and appeared logical to me. We were going to do better than hoof up to the only overworked lone striker, because the over-complicated passing didn't work, because in the philosophy of tippy tappy play nice football in your own half, with Westbrook-esque ball watching and losing unforced error possession football wasn't working in the first place.. Widders simplified the approach, went more direct and had faith in the ability of a hard working team. Fair play..
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Post by basel on Feb 17, 2021 7:17:37 GMT
I think the key to so say complex football is,make it easy.
You allow patterns, 1 2s and what have you to develope naturally from control,pass ,move.
When you see a great eg 6 pass move that leads to a goal,it is unlikely that exact move has been written down and coached on the training ground. It happened from good habit,making yourself available,passing and again - if appropriate - making yourself available.It may look complex,but it's control,pass,move.
Obviously formations,defensive disciplines etc have to be respected and if needed, adjusted.
Brian Clough use to tell em,'give it our little fat Left winger'.Effective because said John Robertson was a fantastically creative Left winger.
Did'nt Liverpool (Keegan then Daglish) more or less just play 6 asides in training.Surely a great example of making the complex,easy.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 17, 2021 9:41:52 GMT
In answer to the OP. "Effective". Y I Man. It's Tommio Geordio for manager. Wasn't it? Marvellous.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 17, 2021 9:53:25 GMT
Have always enjoyed his interview's. Down to earth, a little mischievous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 10:06:41 GMT
Have always enjoyed his interview's. Down to earth, a little mischievous. He did say "The bookies seem to know what is going on."
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2021 10:14:27 GMT
I’ve always liked TW, he tells it how he sees it. His style looks straightforward and give clear instructions of how to play. Tell the coaches what to coach and play on the front foot looking at last night. These are League 1 players so he keeps it simple. That’s what I took from last night. I think, but have no evidence to support it, that he’s been angry in his press conference last week because of all the “manager-speak” he had heard from previous managers that had been so confusing. And so far TW has gone out of his way to make it simple, defenders defend, clear the ball. Midfielders get the ball and look for forward options. And strikers when able, get some shots on goal. The first 10 minutes last night showed how different we were. Before, Ayunga would have taken another touch for his first goal and perhaps lost the opportunity. On his second goal, similar but I think that they’d been told to not complicate things. At least I hope so. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2021 10:15:30 GMT
Have always enjoyed his interview's. Down to earth, a little mischievous. And he probably won’t be on Ollies Christmas card list. UTG!
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Post by bloogas on Feb 17, 2021 10:40:57 GMT
When listening to him, why do I get reminded of the episode of "One foot in the grave" where Victor has a snake loose in the house and has a bloke at the door who sees it on the stairs? Bloke has a Geordie accent Victor can't understand.
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