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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 9:28:32 GMT
Don't whine, Bambi. No I'm certain a manager taking on a losing team mid-season needs to 'try' in that half season, and to be judged on where he finishes his full season, come the end. So more 1½ years than 2, depending on when his predecessor was sacked. You're right that nobody should survive consecutive relegations. But if there are two consecutive losing managers appointed, I no longer blame the managers but the director appointing them. On this perhaps we are more in agreement. I don't think Al Qadi knows how to recruit football personnel, and I'm not sure his fellow directors do either. You attribute the one successful appointment of the successful Coughlan to 'luck', and I fear this may prove correct. I'm not wealthy, but I buy tickets and claim the right to a view, like you. We all have the right to a view, but in reality nobody gives a losing manager 2 seasons. Losing streaks of 15 ~ 20 games are what normally cost managers their jobs.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 4, 2021 9:47:07 GMT
Although it's now 'normal' to sack managers after a relatively short period of time (say 6-9 months) I don't think there is an evidence that this is actually successful. I don't think anyone disagreed with the appointment of PTv2. So let's just stick with him and show him some loyalty. 3-4 shocking performances recently admittedly. We are not 'dead certs for relegation'. We're in a dog fight and we need our players to start bloody fighting. Wigan / Burton look pretty nailed on for the drop. Then it's a fight between N'ton, swindle, Dale, Wimbledon and ourselves for the remaining two slots. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:15:31 GMT
Although it's now 'normal' to sack managers after a relatively short period of time (say 6-9 months) I don't think there is an evidence that this is actually successful. I don't think anyone disagreed with the appointment of PTv2. So let's just stick with him and show him some loyalty. 3-4 shocking performances recently admittedly. We are not 'dead certs for relegation'. We're in a dog fight and we need our players to start bloody fighting. Wigan / Burton look pretty nailed on for the drop. Then it's a fight between N'ton, swindle, Dale, Wimbledon and ourselves for the remaining two slots. UTG. Garner had no idea what day of the week it was, we saw that during games, some of it was just strange. Tisdale knows what he's doing. These results are due to the mess made between Garner and our recruitment bloke, is it Widdrington? All overseen and approved by Wael.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 4, 2021 10:35:55 GMT
Although it's now 'normal' to sack managers after a relatively short period of time (say 6-9 months) I don't think there is an evidence that this is actually successful. I don't think anyone disagreed with the appointment of PTv2. So let's just stick with him and show him some loyalty. 3-4 shocking performances recently admittedly. We are not 'dead certs for relegation'. We're in a dog fight and we need our players to start bloody fighting. Wigan / Burton look pretty nailed on for the drop. Then it's a fight between N'ton, swindle, Dale, Wimbledon and ourselves for the remaining two slots. UTG. Garner had no idea what day of the week it was, we saw that during games, some of it was just strange. Tisdale knows what he's doing. These results are due to the mess made between Garner and our recruitment bloke, is it Widdrington? All overseen and approved by Wael. But he has inherited a squad that the wunderkind was tinkering with and my view is that he really does deserve time to ship out the players who are not good enough and be given some backing to change this god awful team. I really don’t think that I can lay any blame upon him but this is just my view. I think Tisdale could do fairly well at the club as he knows how to work within restricted budgets. I just wonder if we have anything left, given the summers incoming players. It’s not a job i envy him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:50:37 GMT
Garner had no idea what day of the week it was, we saw that during games, some of it was just strange. Tisdale knows what he's doing. These results are due to the mess made between Garner and our recruitment bloke, is it Widdrington? All overseen and approved by Wael. But he has inherited a squad that the wunderkind was tinkering with and my view is that he really does deserve time to ship out the players who are not good enough and be given some backing to change this god awful team. I really don’t think that I can lay any blame upon him but this is just my view. I think Tisdale could do fairly well at the club as he knows how to work within restricted budgets. I just wonder if we have anything left, given the summers incoming players. It’s not a job i envy him. Agreed. At least the one calamitous mistake made in summer of letting Craig go was corrected by bringing in a replacement quality and experienced centre back in January...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 17:39:40 GMT
Garner took on a winning team, and dismantled it. Tisdale has taken on a losing team, and will need time to renew it. I stand by this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 18:08:50 GMT
Garner took on a winning team, and dismantled it. Tisdale has taken on a losing team, and will need time to renew it. I stand by this. Superb. Sadly I knew he would never be given any time and that is why I said from day one that I was surprised he took the job.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 18:35:40 GMT
Superb. Sadly I knew he would never be given any time and that is why I said from day one that I was surprised he took the job.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 18:36:11 GMT
Superb. Sadly I knew he would never be given any time and that is why I said from day one that I was surprised he took the job. what's your prognosis Pop?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 18:37:28 GMT
Superb. Sadly I knew he would never be given any time and that is why I said from day one that I was surprised he took the job. what's your prognosis Pop? The issue lies behind and above Tisdale. The coaches have a lot to answer for as does the DOF.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 18:54:54 GMT
what's your prognosis Pop? The issue lies behind and above Tisdale. The coaches have a lot to answer for as does the DOF. on that basis it seems to me that the prognosis is 'more of the same'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:05:09 GMT
The issue lies behind and above Tisdale. The coaches have a lot to answer for as does the DOF. on that basis it seems to me that the prognosis is 'more of the same' Let's hope there is a clear out once the owner identifies who he wants to lead the club next. Rovers have never had so many coaches headed up by a DOF before and it has turned out to be disastrous.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 19:08:01 GMT
on that basis it seems to me that the prognosis is 'more of the same' Let's hope there is a clear out once the owner identifies who he wants to lead the club next. Rovers have never had so many coaches headed up by a DOF before and it has turned out to be disastrous. but you can't change the DNA every season it would mean a change of strategy - and I think we're quite wedded to making the current one work
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:09:41 GMT
Let's hope there is a clear out once the owner identifies who he wants to lead the club next. Rovers have never had so many coaches headed up by a DOF before and it has turned out to be disastrous. but you can't change the DNA every season it would mean a change of strategy - and I think we're quite wedded to making the current one work The strategy might not be wrong but the quality certainly is, we can see that for ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:19:11 GMT
I think we're quite wedded to making the current one work This one, the last one, or the one before?
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 19:22:24 GMT
I think we're quite wedded to making the current one work This one, the last one, or the one before? it hasn't changed buy talent, build it up at our nice new training ground, play modern football, sell players on and develop the commercial side to fund incremental evolution it seems alright to me still. Not hugely different to some others, but modernisation for Rovers. It's just the execution...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:28:02 GMT
it hasn't changed: buy talent, build it up at our nice new training ground, play modern football, sell players on and develop the commercial side to fund incremental evolution Fine by me, so I hope you're right. But Sackman Al Qadi isn't good at football.
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Post by basel on Feb 10, 2021 19:39:14 GMT
This one, the last one, or the one before? it hasn't changed buy talent, build it up at our nice new training ground, play modern football, sell players on and develop the commercial side to fund incremental evolution it seems alright to me still. Not hugely different to some others, but modernisation for Rovers. It's just the execution... It's more or less what Rovers have done for years anyway. We have young players. The better ones play in the first 11. Get better. We sell them. We've done it for years,but with more commonsense. We did'nt sacrifice good managers for bad ones.We did'nt sacrifice solid 3rd tier players on youth flops from other clubs. The young players we've endured on loan from the top 2 divisions have shown us some won't cut it in the 3rd tier.Others are very good and don't stay long at Rovers. This grand scheme of WAQ,well imo it looks like fancy dandy fashionable nonsense,dreamt up by boring football intelligentsia,at the expense of a perfectly good more commonsense model that already existed.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 10, 2021 22:00:14 GMT
This one, the last one, or the one before? it hasn't changed buy talent, build it up at our nice new training ground, play modern football, sell players on and develop the commercial side to fund incremental evolution it seems alright to me still. Not hugely different to some others, but modernisation for Rovers. It's just the execution... So we're doing what everyone else is doing. But worse. Brilliant plan. A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel. Hang on a second, there would appear to be a few flaws. 1. Buy talent, build it up. Apart from JCH. Who have we bought in the last 4-5 years that we've sold for anything like a half decent profit? Actually - just any profit will suffice. Surely the money we've spent acquiring players, far outweighs any profit from JCH. eg. Mensah / Partington / Payne / Tom f*cki*g Nichols £300k+. That's £500k+ for starters. And we have players on ridiculous wages - we STILL have Kyle Bennett on the books at £4k a week FFS. 2. Nice new training ground. To bring us in line with absolutely everyone else who has one. Category 2 facility? Nah - only kidding. 3. Play modern football. What, pray tell, is that exactly? 4. Sell players on. What - you mean all the youngsters we've brought through the ranks? Care to name one or two we've sold for a fee in the last 4-5 years? 5. Develop the commercial side - Duh. To fund incremental evolution. Whatever. If that indeed is the strategy - it's all quite frankly a laughable pile of old sh*t, and it does not work. Apologies in advance AMPG for my outburst. I'm a bit grumpy this evening. I'm not in the mood to hear that we have a "good plan and a solid vision of the future" (I paraphrase, forgive me). When we very very very very obviously haven't.
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Post by irishrover on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:40 GMT
it hasn't changed buy talent, build it up at our nice new training ground, play modern football, sell players on and develop the commercial side to fund incremental evolution it seems alright to me still. Not hugely different to some others, but modernisation for Rovers. It's just the execution... So we're doing what everyone else is doing. But worse. Brilliant plan. A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel. Hang on a second, there would appear to be a few flaws. 1. Buy talent, build it up. Apart from JCH. Who have we bought in the last 4-5 years that we've sold for anything like a half decent profit? Actually - just any profit will suffice. Surely the money we've spent acquiring players, far outweighs any profit from JCH. eg. Mensah / Partington / Payne / Tom f*cki*g Nichols £300k+. That's £500k+ for starters. And we have players on ridiculous wages - we STILL have Kyle Bennett on the books at £4k a week FFS. 2. Nice new training ground. To bring us in line with absolutely everyone else who has one. Category 2 facility? Nah - only kidding. 3. Play modern football. What, pray tell, is that exactly? 4. Sell players on. What - you mean all the youngsters we've brought through the ranks? Care to name one or two we've sold for a fee in the last 4-5 years? 5. Develop the commercial side - Duh. To fund incremental evolution. Whatever. If that indeed is the strategy - it's all quite frankly a laughable pile of old sh*t, and it does not work. Apologies in advance AMPG for my outburst. I'm a bit grumpy this evening. I'm not in the mood to hear that we have a "good plan and a solid vision of the future" (I paraphrase, forgive me). When we very very very very obviously haven't. Hard to disagree with any of that right now to be honest.
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