harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 17, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
Been thinking and discussing with fellow longstanding Gasheads like myself. Eight home defeats in league and cup already this season. Since GC departed just eight wins in thirty five games
Currently 5 of our next six matches are away from the fortress not Mem
Le We Re the second lowest scorers in league one. Tiss has 42 registered pros on the books to select from and last two matches were undoubtedly the last roll of the dice for many... Kelly, Rodman, Ayunga to name just three.
The irony is with Coughlan walking following the Ipswich victory Crawley hero Tom Nichols final goal for the Gas. Things were fantastic in fact on Boxing day one nil up against Wimbledon we were second in live league table. Then the capitulation under young Ben.
The big If
Had the unemployed Paul Tisdale, formerly at Mk been appointed by Wael then..I feel play off or promotion might have realistically been possible.
We now stare at a league table wondering how the owner balls it up so badly.
But I must concentrate now on the good old Premier league top of the table clash United and Liverpool and console myself to what might have been at BS7.
Utg
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2021 17:35:01 GMT
Been thinking and discussing with fellow longstanding Gasheads like myself. Eight home defeats in league and cup already this season. Since GC departed just eight wins in thirty five games Currently 5 of our next six matches are away from the fortress not Mem Le Tiss has 42 registered pros on the books to select from and last two matches were undoubtedly the last roll of the dice for many... Kelly, Rodman, Ayunga to name just three. The irony is with Coughlan walking following the Ipswich victory Crawley hero Tom Nichols final goal for the Gas. Things were fantastic in fact on Boxing day one nil up against Wimbledon we were second in live league table. Then the capitulation under young Ben. The big If Had the unemployed Paul Tisdale, formerly at Mk been appointed by Wael then..I feel play off or promotion might have realistically been possible. We now stare at a league table wondering how the owner balls it up so badly. But I must concentrate now on the good old Premier league top of the table clash United and Liverpool and console myself to what might have been at BS7. Utg Yes, A massive balls up indeed. This is what happens when you have an owner who has no footballing nous. Regardless of results, I think many are losing interest due to this virus
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Post by basel on Jan 17, 2021 17:43:33 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner.
Hopefully lessons learnt.
Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move.
I'm happy.
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 17, 2021 19:52:01 GMT
Been thinking and discussing with fellow longstanding Gasheads like myself. Eight home defeats in league and cup already this season. Since GC departed just eight wins in thirty five games Currently 5 of our next six matches are away from the fortress not Mem Le Tiss has 42 registered pros on the books to select from and last two matches were undoubtedly the last roll of the dice for many... Kelly, Rodman, Ayunga to name just three. The irony is with Coughlan walking following the Ipswich victory Crawley hero Tom Nichols final goal for the Gas. Things were fantastic in fact on Boxing day one nil up against Wimbledon we were second in live league table. Then the capitulation under young Ben. The big If Had the unemployed Paul Tisdale, formerly at Mk been appointed by Wael then..I feel play off or promotion might have realistically been possible. We now stare at a league table wondering how the owner balls it up so badly. But I must concentrate now on the good old Premier league top of the table clash United and Liverpool and console myself to what might have been at BS7. Utg Yes, A massive balls up indeed. This is what happens when you have an owner who has no footballing nous. Regardless of results, I think many are losing interest due to this virus You speak for some but not all,times are at present frustrating,but hopefully will improve, watching via TV doesn't give you the full picture,the results are the ultimate thing we all look at come the end of the day, but pretty sure that if this season come to an early end or goes full term,this club will still be in the division it which it currently plays
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 18, 2021 9:32:32 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner. Hopefully lessons learnt. Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move. I'm happy. ruined a good Haiku there Bas
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Post by basel on Jan 18, 2021 9:47:43 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner. Hopefully lessons learnt. Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move. I'm happy. ruined a good Haiku there Bas Ha! Haiku and narrative merger Sprout. Cutting edge!-)
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 18, 2021 10:52:59 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner. Hopefully lessons learnt. Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move. I'm happy. Actually, Tisdale has been struggling to get us back up to the giddy heights of top half of the bottom half of the table where Garner had us hovering for the most part with a new set of players before Tisdale came in. Fans say "Garner would have taken us down" but HTF do they know that? It was not a massive mistake, Basil, not with the players he brought in. Clubs that change managers in rapid succession like we did invariably struggle because the new bloke introduces his own football philosophy and formation along with his favourite players from his ex-clubs. We went from DC who'd become a disillusioned control freak playing stodgy midfield football, to GC who changed it all to 5-3-2 with wingbacks firing on all cylinders who made us top three before buggering off, to Garner who went all possession football with wingbacks á la Pep vintage, to Tisdale who prefers open attacking football. Changes, changes changes, where's the stability in that?
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Post by irishrover on Jan 18, 2021 12:49:09 GMT
I agree with this. I thought (and I think posted at the time) that Tisdale was the manager we should have been going after a year ago. Nothing wrong with the strategy of looking for value in going after young players and a more style of play that was easier on the eye in itself, but I never understood why we didn't hire the guy who already had a solid record of doing that instead of the work experience kid....
I'm not sure he'd have been able to secure a promotion but I don't think he'd have waved the white flag on it either and at least we'd have had a go. My problem was not that we didn't succeed - it's that we didn't try. 20 years I've been waiting for a season where we were in the mix for 3rd tier success - not taking our best shot at it was criminal. Garner deserve to go down as one the worst managers in our history because of that - pitiful.
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Post by basel on Jan 18, 2021 13:39:05 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner. Hopefully lessons learnt. Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move. I'm happy. Actually, Tisdale has been struggling to get us back up to the giddy heights of top half of the bottom half of the table where Garner had us hovering for the most part with a new set of players before Tisdale came in. Fans say "Garner would have taken us down" but HTF do they know that? It was not a massive mistake, Basil, not with the players he brought in. Clubs that change managers in rapid succession like we did invariably struggle because the new bloke introduces his own football philosophy and formation along with his favourite players from his ex-clubs. We went from DC who'd become a disillusioned control freak playing stodgy midfield football, to GC who changed it all to 5-3-2 with wingbacks firing on all cylinders who made us top three before buggering off, to Garner who went all possession football with wingbacks á la Pep vintage, to Tisdale who prefers open attacking football. Changes, changes changes, where's the stability in that? There may of been a couple of good signings and off the field improvements. I'm very happy we have PT II instead of BG. On the field Ben Garner was an abject failure. Right up there as a contender for the worst manager since our 1883 establishment.
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Post by basel on Jan 18, 2021 13:41:23 GMT
Actually, Tisdale has been struggling to get us back up to the giddy heights of top half of the bottom half of the table where Garner had us hovering for the most part with a new set of players before Tisdale came in. Fans say "Garner would have taken us down" but HTF do they know that? It was not a massive mistake, Basil, not with the players he brought in. Clubs that change managers in rapid succession like we did invariably struggle because the new bloke introduces his own football philosophy and formation along with his favourite players from his ex-clubs. We went from DC who'd become a disillusioned control freak playing stodgy midfield football, to GC who changed it all to 5-3-2 with wingbacks firing on all cylinders who made us top three before buggering off, to Garner who went all possession football with wingbacks á la Pep vintage, to Tisdale who prefers open attacking football. Changes, changes changes, where's the stability in that? There may of been a couple of good signings and off the field improvements. I'm very happy we have PT II instead of BG. On the field Ben Garner was an abject failure. Right up there as a contender for the worst manager since our 1883 establishment. I think we would of gone down if he had remained,so I applaud WAQ sacking him.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 18, 2021 15:02:14 GMT
Yes, A massive balls up indeed. This is what happens when you have an owner who has no footballing nous. Regardless of results, I think many are losing interest due to this virus You speak for some but not all,times are at present frustrating,but hopefully will improve, watching via TV doesn't give you the full picture,the results are the ultimate thing we all look at come the end of the day, but pretty sure that if this season come to an early end or goes full term,this club will still be in the division it which it currently plays You know, I never thought I’d feel like this but I don’t really care. Any expectations I had, along with thoughts and aspirations of going up and maybe moving forward, were brought to an abrupt halt when we went up, after the Dagenham game. We had what I think was the best forward momentum we have ever had, certainly during my years of supporting Rovers. The hiring of Garner just about topped it off for me. There are many like me, in the Kingswood area. I still pop on here but even that is much less now. I’ve had enough of the false hope and duck ups.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 15:03:37 GMT
A massive mistake in hiring Ben Garner. Hopefully lessons learnt. Hiring Paul Tisdale a very good move. I'm happy. Actually, Tisdale has been struggling to get us back up to the giddy heights of top half of the bottom half of the table where Garner had us hovering for the most part with a new set of players before Tisdale came in. Fans say "Garner would have taken us down" but HTF do they know that? It was not a massive mistake, Basil, not with the players he brought in. Clubs that change managers in rapid succession like we did invariably struggle because the new bloke introduces his own football philosophy and formation along with his favourite players from his ex-clubs. We went from DC who'd become a disillusioned control freak playing stodgy midfield football, to GC who changed it all to 5-3-2 with wingbacks firing on all cylinders who made us top three before buggering off, to Garner who went all possession football with wingbacks á la Pep vintage, to Tisdale who prefers open attacking football. Changes, changes changes, where's the stability in that? I agree with lots of this. We should have a permanent football 'philosophy' and 'style' of play, that incoming managers arrive to enhance, to evolve, and to improve, not to rip everything for a 'new project' for under a year before leaving or being sacked. Decide what the project is, recruit to it, and stick with it. That's the sort of leadership a Football Director ought to provide, consistently.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 18, 2021 15:27:05 GMT
Actually, Tisdale has been struggling to get us back up to the giddy heights of top half of the bottom half of the table where Garner had us hovering for the most part with a new set of players before Tisdale came in. Fans say "Garner would have taken us down" but HTF do they know that? It was not a massive mistake, Basil, not with the players he brought in. Clubs that change managers in rapid succession like we did invariably struggle because the new bloke introduces his own football philosophy and formation along with his favourite players from his ex-clubs. We went from DC who'd become a disillusioned control freak playing stodgy midfield football, to GC who changed it all to 5-3-2 with wingbacks firing on all cylinders who made us top three before buggering off, to Garner who went all possession football with wingbacks á la Pep vintage, to Tisdale who prefers open attacking football. Changes, changes changes, where's the stability in that? There may of been a couple of good signings and off the field improvements. I'm very happy we have PT II instead of BG. On the field Ben Garner was an abject failure. Right up there as a contender for the worst manager since our 1883 establishment. Spot on about Garner ..I am writing articles in the Rovers programme on Rovers managers over the years Prince Cox Megson, Dodgin, Smith. Tann. Trollope and Dobson done just completed Francis and starting on Holloway soon. Graydon and Garner are two I am least wanting to write. But DC and John Ward are two I am looking forward to doing. Despite the relegation out of the league on their respective CVs.
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Post by basel on Jan 18, 2021 19:05:22 GMT
There may of been a couple of good signings and off the field improvements. I'm very happy we have PT II instead of BG. On the field Ben Garner was an abject failure. Right up there as a contender for the worst manager since our 1883 establishment. Spot on about Garner ..I am writing articles in the Rovers programme on Rovers managers over the years Prince Cox Megson, Dodgin, Smith. Tann. Trollope and Dobson done just completed Francis and starting on Holloway soon. Graydon and Garner are two I am least wanting to write. But DC and John Ward are two I am looking forward to doing. Despite the relegation out of the league on their respective CVs. A suggested title and introduction for the Ben Garner chapter. Broken Perferations. A while into the disastrous and depressing reign of Ben Garner,injury prone and occasional right back Mark Little offered Gasheads some reassurance and asked for patience, because at training at least, "there's something brewing". Perhaps the perferations were broken. Etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 21:44:20 GMT
If there was 'something brewing' then it wasn't in the teapot, but in Garner's bowels.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 19, 2021 10:47:55 GMT
There is no question the choice of Garner as manager was up there with one of the worst ever managerial appointments in football, the damage he has caused could take seasons to recover from, the whole concept of giving him the job was ill conceived but when you have an owner who wakes up in the middle of the night with a vision and then proclaims he has a new ground breaking strategy, sign casts offs from clubs above, polish them under a compliant grateful unheard of manager then sell a couple for several million plus every year, you have a thing called sustainability, happy days, but its not reality is it. Tisdale is obviously his own man, look how the Evil Post has already had its wings clipped, no more of those club coded stool pigeon Q & A's every week to present the party line. Who recruited all those players last summer, I don't think it was Garner, he didn't know any players or had a clue about Div 1, you might give him Daly, Martinez and Koiki but the rest were dumped on him and he was told to polish them up for sale. How does Tisdale work with 43 pros everyday with just 2 pitches to utilise, does he run 11 against 11 every session, even then one of the 5 goalkeepers would have to sit out a game. Tisdale himself said after his arrival the club was a shambles, good luck to him if he can keep us up this year, I think he just might, as those below us at the moment are worse than we are, but what a job he will have in the summer. I hope he can clean up the mess without any internal interference when the season finishes, that is if he isn't told to walk the plank allowing another compliant grateful new manager to come in and regurgitate the sustainability vision.
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Post by petecolley on Jan 19, 2021 11:34:06 GMT
There is no question the choice of Garner as manager was up there with one of the worst ever managerial appointments in football, the damage he has caused could take seasons to recover from, the whole concept of giving him the job was ill conceived but when you have an owner who wakes up in the middle of the night with a vision and then proclaims he has a new ground breaking strategy, sign casts offs from clubs above, polish them under a compliant grateful unheard of manager then sell a couple for several million plus every year, you have a thing called sustainability, happy days, but its not reality is it. Tisdale is obviously his own man, look how the Evil Post has already had its wings clipped, no more of those club coded stool pigeon Q & A's every week to present the party line. Who recruited all those players last summer, I don't think it was Garner, he didn't know any players or had a clue about Div 1, you might give him Daly, Martinez and Koiki but the rest were dumped on him and he was told to polish them up for sale. How does Tisdale work with 43 pros everyday with just 2 pitches to utilise, does he run 11 against 11 every session, even then one of the 5 goalkeepers would have to sit out a game. Tisdale himself said after his arrival the club was a shambles, good luck to him if he can keep us up this year, I think he just might, as those below us at the moment are worse than we are, but what a job he will have in the summer. I hope he can clean up the mess without any internal interference when the season finishes, that is if he isn't told to walk the plank allowing another compliant grateful new manager to come in and regurgitate the sustainability vision.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 19, 2021 14:11:05 GMT
You speak for some but not all,times are at present frustrating,but hopefully will improve, watching via TV doesn't give you the full picture,the results are the ultimate thing we all look at come the end of the day, but pretty sure that if this season come to an early end or goes full term,this club will still be in the division it which it currently plays .... and duck ups. Haha! Quality!
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Post by womble on Jan 19, 2021 15:47:16 GMT
How does Tisdale work with 43 pros everyday with just 2 pitches to utilise, does he run 11 against 11 every session, even then one of the 5 goalkeepers would have to sit out a game. Tisdale himself said after his arrival the club was a shambles, good luck to him if he can keep us up this year, I think he just might, as those below us at the moment are worse than we are, but what a job he will have in the summer. I hope he can clean up the mess without any internal interference when the season finishes, that is if he isn't told to walk the plank allowing another compliant grateful new manager to come in and regurgitate the sustainability vision. Only the first team squad (22 players) train at The Quarters. Academy players train elsewhere and presumably PT gets updates from the coaching staff. It will need further phases (a 3G pitch and another grass pitch are rumoured to be next), before all the players can move to the same training ground.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 23, 2021 18:01:18 GMT
Our Last 4 Full-Time Managers Facts:
Daryll Clarke - P246, W104, D56, L86 Win % = 42.3
Graham Coughlan - P56, W25, D18, L13 Win % = 44.6
Ben Garner - P34, W7, D10, L17, Win % = 20.6
Paul Tisdale - P14, W5, D1, L8, Win % = 35.7
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