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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 22:10:36 GMT
Well if it weren't 'time to call a halt' when lostinspace wrote this six days ago, is it still not yet so, now that Happy Johnson has shut Britain down again this evening? 2021 might end well, but it's going to start worse than 2020. I just don't know what the duck we're doing, using imaginary money to pay twenty-two men to run around constantly touching each other for ninety minutes a week. Every school child in the country just got told to ... off for two months. So did the economy, but the magic money tree seems to be able to take care of that. I don't understand how. What a mess.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 5, 2021 0:18:42 GMT
Well if it weren't 'time to call a halt' when lostinspace wrote this six days ago, is it still not yet so, now that Happy Johnson has shut Britain down again this evening? 2021 might end well, but it's going to start worse than 2020. I just don't know what the duck we're doing, using imaginary money to pay twenty-two men to run around constantly touching each other for ninety minutes a week. Every school child in the country just got told to ... off for two months. So did the economy, but the magic money tree seems to be able to take care of that. I don't understand how. What a mess. Again - on we go. I take AMPG point on this but I still think there's something pretty fundamentally bonkers about it. Odds are we complete a whole season behind close doors (or at least very close to that) now. Baffling - there's something emperors new clothes about it all. I sincerely hope I'm completely wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 11:40:10 GMT
Season tickets were not money well spent. Those who bought them just made a donation.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 5, 2021 15:00:38 GMT
Season tickets were not money well spent. Those who bought them just made a donation. I was a bit sceptical about the long-term impact this all might have on attendances. It seemed to me as though people would be looking for the chance to resume old habits in the search for normalcy. But the longer this goes on the more I really do worry whether this really might be the existential threat to lower league football many predicted. People may well re-prioritise and the scary thing is that it doesn't take a huge shift in habits to do an awful lot of damage very quickly because there's a tipping point where attendance collapse becomes exponential. Ask Rugby League - pretty healthy attendances across the board up to the late 80 then, apart from the big clubs, it fell into a death spiral. Swinton Rugby club ended up with a few hundred knocking round a stadium orginally designed for 60,000#=.
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Post by Igitur on Jan 5, 2021 16:01:47 GMT
Some of this is to improve morale and provide an interest for people (and to avoid litigation.)
If only my street could have the same money spent on it as a football club does on testing etc. (Yet some of these elite athletes break the rules in such a public way.)
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 8, 2021 16:36:15 GMT
Fair play to Steve Bruce: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55590296"Financially it's right to play on, but for me, morally, it's probably wrong," said Bruce (with regard to the PL)" So in the EFL it is both morally wrong AND financially benefits no-one. Why are we still playing football with daily deaths at record levels (1,325 per day) and set to rise further? Madness. Madness. They call it Madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 20:23:05 GMT
Yeah, we're desperate for something to get into, but despite that, we can't continue. We've abandoned the education of children, for God's sake. Grandparents aren't seeing grandchildren, waiting, hoping to be vaccinated in time to see them again before... well it's awful. How do we justify this? Yet I want to watch the match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 21:55:58 GMT
Not sure where this ends, what will it take, a footballer, rugby player, cricketer to die, would that do it?
It's a matter of time.
Has anybody working at a club, or anybody they've passed this illness to passed away?
What are we doing for goodness sake?
Add to that, the mixed message of stay home, be disciplined, but whilst you are there watch a football team who have travelled from one end of the country to the other play a game, and if there's a break in play, check how the England cricket team are doing in Sri Lanka.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 23:27:32 GMT
They spent ages on Radio 4's Today explaining how travel corridors had to be maintained for tourist industries and how quarantine had to be relaxed. Yet Police are cautioning people for driving five miles to go walking away from everyone else. Mixed messages doesn't even cover it.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 9, 2021 8:48:05 GMT
The caution was because it was stated they were having a picnic. Apparently they were drinking tea. So looks like the definition of picnic is loose. But, we want rule breakers to be stopped so hard luck in this case I feel.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 9, 2021 8:56:52 GMT
The caution was because it was stated they were having a picnic. Apparently they were drinking tea. So looks like the definition of picnic is loose. But, we want rule breakers to be stopped so hard luck in this case I feel. Not sure 100% the case. Mixed comments on news. Main thing appears to be many rules and rule changes that are not clearly defined.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 9, 2021 9:02:30 GMT
With regards sport being played. I really enjoy that focal point of having a game to watch on a Saturday, while chatting with outers on zoom.
Living on own weekends are lonely at moment. Yes can go for a walk, on own. But the football is a great lift.
Am sure many others are the same.
I do agree it is strange that it is continuing.
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Post by The Concept on Jan 9, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
Interesting to hear Tiz on interview yesterday saying the squad only mix while playing matches and training - of course, there will be some house-sharing. Team meetings held online, they no longer eat meals together, changing individually before and after training.
I can't find the video, so it must have been Points West's own interview.
Strange the EFL have only just brought in mandatory Covid-19 testing, but it must be an expensive undertaking (twice-weekly, funded by the PFA).
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Post by The Concept on Jan 9, 2021 10:32:04 GMT
Compare to cricket over the summer...
The grassroots game (outdoors, minimal contact) was banned for a long time when other sports were allowed. The reasons given by the PM: - Players mixing while changing ... errr, you can change in your car Boris. - Cricket teas ... errr, you can bring your own packed lunch Boris. - "... the [cricket] ball is a natural vertor of disease." ... okay then Boris.
Eventually cricket got underway with a set of rules in place, such as: hygiene breaks every 20 mins to sanitise hands, no sweat or saliva on the ball.
We then had the professional game with Steve Elworthy (ECB's Director of Events) brilliantly organising the International programme, with the bio-secure bubbles that set the template for other sports.
10,000 tests, at £100 a test, were carried out over the summer.
Admittedly infection rates were still low at the time, following the 1st national lockdown, but over the course of the international and domestic season in the UK, only one match was abandoned for Covid-19 - Gloucestershire v Northamptonshire.
Edit: Oh, and I meant to say, cricketers celebrated a wicket with a distanced clicking of boots with each other - a foot-pump.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 9, 2021 10:52:30 GMT
With regards sport being played. I really enjoy that focal point of having a game to watch on a Saturday, while chatting with outers on zoom. Living on own weekends are lonely at moment. Yes can go for a walk, on own. But the football is a great lift. Am sure many others are the same. I do agree it is strange that it is continuing. I like having 3pm Saturday as one of the few continuing 'anchors' in my week Also, it's nice to be able to watch every game Those Premier league players going to new year's eve House parties look like the lowest common denominators tho
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 9, 2021 12:53:52 GMT
just had a phone call with mixed news on this subject...
my 'rents have both got spots for their first dose of vaccine on Tuesday. It's at Ashton Gate, and Father and I both agreed that they would have much preferred it to have been at the Mem
heigh ho
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 14:57:33 GMT
We should call a halt to this season, but that doesn't mean I'm not waiting for KP's link this afternoon.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 9, 2021 17:20:54 GMT
Compare to cricket over the summer... The grassroots game (outdoors, minimal contact) was banned for a long time when other sports were allowed. The reasons given by the PM: - Players mixing while changing ... errr, you can change in your car Boris. - Cricket teas ... errr, you can bring your own packed lunch Boris. - "... the [cricket] ball is a natural vertor of disease." ... okay then Boris. Eventually cricket got underway with a set of rules in place, such as: hygiene breaks every 20 mins to sanitise hands, no sweat or saliva on the ball. We then had the professional game with Steve Elworthy (ECB's Director of Events) brilliantly organising the International programme, with the bio-secure bubbles that set the template for other sports. 10,000 tests, at £100 a test, were carried out over the summer. Admittedly infection rates were still low at the time, following the 1st national lockdown, but over the course of the international and domestic season in the UK, only one match was abandoned for Covid-19 - Gloucestershire v Northamptonshire. Edit: Oh, and I meant to say, cricketers celebrated a wicket with a distanced clicking of boots with each other - a foot-pump. Ye, I was involved in planning for this.
It was extremely annoying-3 times the government gave us a nudge, nudge signal that we'd be playing shortly so clubs went and spent money to fix up the regulations. 3 times they backed down (once after that ludicrous Boris comment about the ball which messed up a whole months worth of work and prep). In the end we played a much shortened season which went fine but happened during the low point of the virus. It would be madness to play now and we are unsure if we will be able to come back in April. Many amateur clubs will go under if we don't though.
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