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Post by basel on Dec 12, 2020 20:46:00 GMT
So this Guardian writer sees Brexit as a posthumous victory for Enoch Powell.Well he would be happy we're out. I think Leave voters had some far Right amongst them,but the 52% were a mixed bag.Labour Leave group eg.People of all race,class and religion voted Leave. We'll see if the union of UK survives. Ireland is abit 'special' ay? The SNP are too desperate to succeed imo.Their boring obsession might keep their base support,but does'nt it just get on everyone else's nerves?I don't think they'll get another referendum before 2030 ,at the earliest.They voted to remain part of the UK in 2014 and as part of the UK,they voted to Leave the EU.It was a UK vote as a whole that counted. I don't see Brexit as a massive rise of the Right and the end of our Union. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 21:08:29 GMT
Michael "6 faces Gove"? Even he doesn't know whether he is telling the truth, or not. Ffs Basel, you actually believe this s***? The man is not uncapable,that was my point. Like most Britons,I'm not very keen on many of our politicians. Edit.I mean he knows his 3 times table,unlike eg whatshername,Jeremy Corbyns X. A year ago Britain went to the polls with the opportunity to vote for FREE fibre broadband, 20 t0 30 thousand extra nurses, FREE university tuition, a £10 minimum wage, SureStart centres throughout the country and a green industrial revolution creating 250 thousand jobs. No, people voted for Boris Johnson, 75 thousand people died ... and Johnson has lied and lied and lied . . . Johnson is an inveterate liar and a serial fornicator. He's taking us down a road of economic and wilful destruction. Johnson is a privileged ponce, the Prime Minister of a country with the highest death rate from #Covid_19, in Europe; all due to his gross incompetence. Johnson's a racist misogynist serial fornicator pathological liar malignant narcissist corrupt s***weasel self-aggrandizing ruling class oik the arse-end of a pantomime horse Johnson's career is drenched in deception, outrageous lying, and serial fornicating. Over the past 25 years, Johnson has been a lying husband, a lying journalist, a lying Mayor, a lying MP, a lying Foreign Sec., and now a lying Prime Minister. Boris Johnson is a bumbling parody who has in a nasty & snide way tooled himself a political career, despite being fake & phoney. History shows a self-aggrandizing ruling class oik who fails to understand the rest of humanity. #JohnsonHasFailedTheNation, he's a lying snollygoster. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 12, 2020 21:14:45 GMT
Michael "6 faces Gove"? Even he doesn't know whether he is telling the truth, or not. Ffs Basel, you actually believe this s***? The man is not uncapable,that was my point. Like most Britons,I'm not very keen on many of our politicians. Edit.I mean he knows his 3 times table,unlike eg whatshername,Jeremy Corbyns X.Funny isn't it, Dianne Abbot messes her figures up on TV, apologises and corrects herself and here we are still talking about it years later, Pritti Patel does the same (minus the apology) and no one bats an eyelid! I really, really am struggling to see how you think we have good negotiators who- after 4 fing years- have failed to seal what was apparently the 'easiest deal in history'. Are you not slightly worried that a few weeks before we are about to leave with no deal- which even by the incompetent b******s who have presided over it admit is bad news- they have had the nerve to now claim that they 'didn't mean that deal' they meant the withdrawal agreement? This isn't party political BTW, I think in the past we have had just as many good Tory politicians as Labour ones, but Jesus Christ, this lot take the fing biscuit! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 21:25:24 GMT
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or not! But yes, we have to get on with it, in fact we should have been getting on with it for the past 4 years, quite why the government didn't think the same is beyond me. Well not all the Goverment are 'useless' are they? I mean people like Gove are capable and he sits about 'war gaming' possibilities and what have you. Liz Truss seems to be doing a good job. A garden tea party hosted by Queen Elizabeth II may help bring a few bob in.😏 Haha!No,I'm not "taking the piss".😄 Just 'chatting'. Gove, the man from Murdoch.  |
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Post by basel on Dec 12, 2020 21:32:24 GMT
The man is not uncapable,that was my point. Like most Britons,I'm not very keen on many of our politicians. Edit.I mean he knows his 3 times table,unlike eg whatshername,Jeremy Corbyns X. A year ago Britain went to the polls with the opportunity to vote for FREE fibre broadband, 20 t0 30 thousand extra nurses, FREE university tuition, a £10 minimum wage, SureStart centres throughout the country and a green industrial revolution creating 250 thousand jobs. No, people voted for Boris Johnson, 75 thousand people died ... and Johnson has lied and lied and lied . . . Johnson is an inveterate liar and a serial fornicator. He's taking us down a road of economic and wilful destruction. Johnson is a privileged ponce, the Prime Minister of a country with the highest death rate from #Covid_19, in Europe; all due to his gross incompetence. Johnson's a racist misogynist serial fornicator pathological liar malignant narcissist corrupt s***weasel self-aggrandizing ruling class oik the arse-end of a pantomime horse Johnson's career is drenched in deception, outrageous lying, and serial fornicating. Over the past 25 years, Johnson has been a lying husband, a lying journalist, a lying Mayor, a lying MP, a lying Foreign Sec., and now a lying Prime Minister. Boris Johnson is a bumbling parody who has in a nasty & snide way tooled himself a political career, despite being fake & phoney. History shows a self-aggrandizing ruling class oik who fails to understand the rest of humanity. #JohnsonHasFailedTheNation, he's a lying snollygoster. Well yeh,but apart from that... Oh and thanks for "snollygoster" Dave.👍 |
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Post by basel on Dec 12, 2020 21:45:22 GMT
The man is not uncapable,that was my point. Like most Britons,I'm not very keen on many of our politicians. Edit.I mean he knows his 3 times table,unlike eg whatshername,Jeremy Corbyns X.Funny isn't it, Dianne Abbot messes her figures up on TV, apologises and corrects herself and here we are still talking about it years later, Pritti Patel does the same (minus the apology) and no one bats an eyelid! I really, really am struggling to see how you think we have good negotiators who- after 4 fing years- have failed to seal what was apparently the 'easiest deal in history'. Are you not slightly worried that a few weeks before we are about to leave with no deal- which even by the incompetent b******s who have presided over it admit is bad news- they have had the nerve to now claim that they 'didn't mean that deal' they meant the withdrawal agreement? This isn't party political BTW, I think in the past we have had just as many good Tory politicians as Labour ones, but Jesus Christ, this lot take the fing biscuit! Did she correct herself Rex?Did'nt she virtually disappear into the hole she kept digging?Or keep reversing,then driving full pelt into the nearest lamp post again?I can't remember her correct a sausage,maybe she did I'm referring to a radio interview. Well our lot apparently got nearish to a deal a week or so ago,then President Macron came up with unreasonable fishing demands.Old stuff rehashed I think. Is it not the case,Johnson signed an agreement on something or another a year or do ago,that basically means we now have mo choice but to Leave on WTO or and because of what Johnson signed,stay aligned to a few EU laws? So,we'll be going WTO. In the scenario the EU did'nt mind some competition, the deal could of been signed.I mean considering we're supposedly not going to do very well and the EU is so fantastic,Brussels have acted like right scaredy cats. Sorry,I'm not sure I understand or know of your last point,about what deal was meant for leaving? Edit.Just listened to the LBC Nick Ferarri Diane Abbot interview.Hmm,she sort of corrected herself,but so much credibility had been lost by then,it was damage limitation at best. Abit like my posts on ere!😄 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 21:46:18 GMT
A year ago Britain went to the polls with the opportunity to vote for FREE fibre broadband, 20 t0 30 thousand extra nurses, FREE university tuition, a £10 minimum wage, SureStart centres throughout the country and a green industrial revolution creating 250 thousand jobs. No, people voted for Boris Johnson, 75 thousand people died ... and Johnson has lied and lied and lied . . . Johnson is an inveterate liar and a serial fornicator. He's taking us down a road of economic and wilful destruction. Johnson is a privileged ponce, the Prime Minister of a country with the highest death rate from #Covid_19, in Europe; all due to his gross incompetence. Johnson's a racist misogynist serial fornicator pathological liar malignant narcissist corrupt s***weasel self-aggrandizing ruling class oik the arse-end of a pantomime horse Johnson's career is drenched in deception, outrageous lying, and serial fornicating. Over the past 25 years, Johnson has been a lying husband, a lying journalist, a lying Mayor, a lying MP, a lying Foreign Sec., and now a lying Prime Minister. Boris Johnson is a bumbling parody who has in a nasty & snide way tooled himself a political career, despite being fake & phoney. History shows a self-aggrandizing ruling class oik who fails to understand the rest of humanity. #JohnsonHasFailedTheNation, he's a lying snollygoster. Well yeh,but apart from that... Oh and thanks for "snollygoster" Dave.👍 Haha! While you're there Steve, you might also like ... scobberlotcher. |
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Post by basel on Dec 12, 2020 21:55:19 GMT
Well yeh,but apart from that... Oh and thanks for "snollygoster" Dave.👍 Haha! While you're there Steve, you might also like ... scobberlotcher. Yeh I do thanks and I'll be scobberlotching about the place tomorrow 🙂 |
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Post by Rex on Dec 13, 2020 10:02:42 GMT
Funny isn't it, Dianne Abbot messes her figures up on TV, apologises and corrects herself and here we are still talking about it years later, Pritti Patel does the same (minus the apology) and no one bats an eyelid! I really, really am struggling to see how you think we have good negotiators who- after 4 fing years- have failed to seal what was apparently the 'easiest deal in history'. Are you not slightly worried that a few weeks before we are about to leave with no deal- which even by the incompetent b******s who have presided over it admit is bad news- they have had the nerve to now claim that they 'didn't mean that deal' they meant the withdrawal agreement? This isn't party political BTW, I think in the past we have had just as many good Tory politicians as Labour ones, but Jesus Christ, this lot take the fing biscuit! Did she correct herself Rex?Did'nt she virtually disappear into the hole she kept digging?Or keep reversing,then driving full pelt into the nearest lamp post again?I can't remember her correct a sausage,maybe she did I'm referring to a radio interview. Well our lot apparently got nearish to a deal a week or so ago,then President Macron came up with unreasonable fishing demands.Old stuff rehashed I think. Is it not the case,Johnson signed an agreement on something or another a year or do ago,that basically means we now have mo choice but to Leave on WTO or and because of what Johnson signed,stay aligned to a few EU laws? So,we'll be going WTO. In the scenario the EU did'nt mind some competition, the deal could of been signed.I mean considering we're supposedly not going to do very well and the EU is so fantastic,Brussels have acted like right scaredy cats. Sorry,I'm not sure I understand or know of your last point,about what deal was meant for leaving? Edit.Just listened to the LBC Nick Ferarri Diane Abbot interview.Hmm,she sort of corrected herself,but so much credibility had been lost by then,it was damage limitation at best. Abit like my posts on ere!😄 I wouldn't pretend that Dianne Abbott comes across well on TV, although I do find the vilification of a 67 year old women on social media a very depressing sign of the times. However, I have no problem with someone making a mistake - and let's be honest, getting your figures muddled up on TV is so utterly insignificant in real terms, it's not like any decisions were made based on what she said. What I find infuriating beyond belief in our politicians is bulls*** and lies and then, when they get caught out, somehow- and this really is beyond me- they get a free ride because they brazenly offer up more bulls*** , but because they are comfortable in front of a camera, people lap it up! Sadly, I feel your comment about 'what deal was meant for leaving' sums up the whole sad, sorry situation. Very briefly, I'm sure you are well aware the PM had been speaking about an 'oven ready' deal. which I assume you, like the entire population and world media took to mean a trade deal with the EU. Well now it turns out Boris wasn't talking about the trade deal but about the terms for withdrawal- the framework for implementing Brexit- and not any actual trade deal. The fact that he has only just decided to tell us this was what he was talking about i.e weeks before we crash out of the EU with no deal, should tell you all you need to know. He either lied, or deliberately misled the population. I have no idea whether Jeremy Corbyn would have made a good PM or not, but before the election he called it spot on, the governments plan all along was to waste time and crash out with no deal (apparently Corbyn got his information from a leaked document).I suspect some people will get -even- richer from a no deal situation, I know it won't be me or you. |
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Post by basel on Dec 13, 2020 11:32:03 GMT
Did she correct herself Rex?Did'nt she virtually disappear into the hole she kept digging?Or keep reversing,then driving full pelt into the nearest lamp post again?I can't remember her correct a sausage,maybe she did I'm referring to a radio interview. Well our lot apparently got nearish to a deal a week or so ago,then President Macron came up with unreasonable fishing demands.Old stuff rehashed I think. Is it not the case,Johnson signed an agreement on something or another a year or do ago,that basically means we now have mo choice but to Leave on WTO or and because of what Johnson signed,stay aligned to a few EU laws? So,we'll be going WTO. In the scenario the EU did'nt mind some competition, the deal could of been signed.I mean considering we're supposedly not going to do very well and the EU is so fantastic,Brussels have acted like right scaredy cats. Sorry,I'm not sure I understand or know of your last point,about what deal was meant for leaving? Edit.Just listened to the LBC Nick Ferarri Diane Abbot interview.Hmm,she sort of corrected herself,but so much credibility had been lost by then,it was damage limitation at best. Abit like my posts on ere!😄 I wouldn't pretend that Dianne Abbott comes across well on TV, although I do find the vilification of a 67 year old women on social media a very depressing sign of the times. However, I have no problem with someone making a mistake - and let's be honest, getting your figures muddled up on TV is so utterly insignificant in real terms, it's not like any decisions were made based on what she said. What I find infuriating beyond belief in our politicians is bulls*** and lies and then, when they get caught out, somehow- and this really is beyond me- they get a free ride because they brazenly offer up more bulls*** , but because they are comfortable in front of a camera, people lap it up! Sadly, I feel your comment about 'what deal was meant for leaving' sums up the whole sad, sorry situation. Very briefly, I'm sure you are well aware the PM had been speaking about an 'oven ready' deal. which I assume you, like the entire population and world media took to mean a trade deal with the EU. Well now it turns out Boris wasn't talking about the trade deal but about the terms for withdrawal- the framework for implementing Brexit- and not any actual trade deal. The fact that he has only just decided to tell us this was what he was talking about i.e weeks before we crash out of the EU with no deal, should tell you all you need to know. He either lied, or deliberately misled the population. I have no idea whether Jeremy Corbyn would have made a good PM or not, but before the election he called it spot on, the governments plan all along was to waste time and crash out with no deal (apparently Corbyn got his information from a leaked document).I suspect some people will get -even- richer from a no deal situation, I know it won't be me or you. All parties have ago at opposition mistakes.The Diane Abbot critique and ridicule maybe OTT and even cruel but it's sadly par for the course. Loads of politicians bulls***,get caught and bulls*** their way out of trouble.Yep,annoying! The "oven ready deal" original,ought to of worked but Brussels refuse to accept the UK sovereignty.We don't do their laws anymore the referendum of 2016 says so. The withdrawal agreement signed by Johnson - I think - means we have two choices.Stay aligned to some EU laws ,with no voice on them,or WTO. Labour might of won the election if eg Kate Huey had been the Leader.The party and especially Corbyn had an awful Brexit and as it's Brexit still dominating (shared with Cov19) i think Jeremy Corbyn would of been a complete disaster. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 13, 2020 11:40:36 GMT
I wouldn't pretend that Dianne Abbott comes across well on TV, although I do find the vilification of a 67 year old women on social media a very depressing sign of the times. However, I have no problem with someone making a mistake - and let's be honest, getting your figures muddled up on TV is so utterly insignificant in real terms, it's not like any decisions were made based on what she said. What I find infuriating beyond belief in our politicians is bulls*** and lies and then, when they get caught out, somehow- and this really is beyond me- they get a free ride because they brazenly offer up more bulls*** , but because they are comfortable in front of a camera, people lap it up! Sadly, I feel your comment about 'what deal was meant for leaving' sums up the whole sad, sorry situation. Very briefly, I'm sure you are well aware the PM had been speaking about an 'oven ready' deal. which I assume you, like the entire population and world media took to mean a trade deal with the EU. Well now it turns out Boris wasn't talking about the trade deal but about the terms for withdrawal- the framework for implementing Brexit- and not any actual trade deal. The fact that he has only just decided to tell us this was what he was talking about i.e weeks before we crash out of the EU with no deal, should tell you all you need to know. He either lied, or deliberately misled the population. I have no idea whether Jeremy Corbyn would have made a good PM or not, but before the election he called it spot on, the governments plan all along was to waste time and crash out with no deal (apparently Corbyn got his information from a leaked document).I suspect some people will get -even- richer from a no deal situation, I know it won't be me or you. All parties have ago at opposition mistakes.The Diane Abbot critique and ridicule maybe OTT and even cruel but it's sadly par for the course. Loads of politicians bulls***,get caught and bulls*** their way out of trouble.Yep,annoying! The "oven ready deal" original,ought to of worked but Brussels refuse to accept the UK sovereignty.We don't do their laws anymore the referendum of 2016 says so. The withdrawal agreement signed by Johnson - I think - means we have two choices.Stay aligned to some EU laws ,with no voice on them,or WTO. Labour might of won the election if eg Kate Huey had been the Leader.The party and especially Corbyn had an awful Brexit and as it's Brexit still dominating (shared with Cov19) i think Jeremy Corbyn would of been a complete disaster. In what way did Brussels 'refuse to accept the UK sovereignty' ? |
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Post by basel on Dec 13, 2020 11:47:27 GMT
All parties have ago at opposition mistakes.The Diane Abbot critique and ridicule maybe OTT and even cruel but it's sadly par for the course. Loads of politicians bulls***,get caught and bulls*** their way out of trouble.Yep,annoying! The "oven ready deal" original,ought to of worked but Brussels refuse to accept the UK sovereignty.We don't do their laws anymore the referendum of 2016 says so. The withdrawal agreement signed by Johnson - I think - means we have two choices.Stay aligned to some EU laws ,with no voice on them,or WTO. Labour might of won the election if eg Kate Huey had been the Leader.The party and especially Corbyn had an awful Brexit and as it's Brexit still dominating (shared with Cov19) i think Jeremy Corbyn would of been a complete disaster. In what way did Brussels 'refuse to accept the UK sovereignty' ? Insisting we would have to accept them changing laws and punishing us if we're naughty.We would still be attached to the EU,but with no say.Not what was won in 2016 referendum. It's just been announced by EU to extend the negotiations. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 😱 |
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Post by oldie on Dec 13, 2020 12:37:43 GMT
I think some of the comments on here could be used as evidence as to why democracy is a failed system.
Utterly clueless, what happened to our education system.
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Post by Rex on Dec 13, 2020 12:51:34 GMT
In what way did Brussels 'refuse to accept the UK sovereignty' ? We would still be attached to the EU,but with no say.Not what was won in 2016 referendum. It's just been announced by EU to extend the negotiations. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 😱 Have you any examples of this happening and having a negative effect on our - or even specifically your- way of life? |
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Post by Rex on Dec 13, 2020 12:56:03 GMT
I think some of the comments on here could be used as evidence as to why democracy is a failed system.Utterly clueless, what happened to our education system. God help us Possibly, but in the absence of any other credible system( that I can think of anyway) it's about the best we can hope for. Benevolent dictatorships or monarchies normally end in tears. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 13, 2020 12:59:16 GMT
I think some of the comments on here could be used as evidence as to why democracy is a failed system.Utterly clueless, what happened to our education system. God help us Possibly, but in the absence of any other credible system( that I can think of anyway) it's about the best we can hope for. Benevolent dictatorships or monarchies normally end in tears. Said more in exasperation than belief. But seriously Rex how can some be so ill informed? What actually goes through their head? |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 13, 2020 13:09:57 GMT
I think some of the comments on here could be used as evidence as to why democracy is a failed system.Utterly clueless, what happened to our education system. God help us Possibly, but in the absence of any other credible system( that I can think of anyway) it's about the best we can hope for. Benevolent dictatorships or monarchies normally end in tears. Go on then I'll contribute. The only alternative to democracy (with all it's flaws and in particular first past the post systems) is a totalitarian approach. No-one would ever vote for that. The only way that is achieved is by revolution. Force and violence. And ultimately the deaths of thousand, or hundreds of thousands, or millions. That is why I have no time for the far left and the far right. Now benevolent dictatorships... I quite like the idea of that. This would allow for long term planning, and would make sense. It's the "benevolent" part which is the sticky bit. What sane, altruistic, decent person would want to proclaim themselves a de-facto emperor? Ultimate power ultimately corrupts. Do we have some common ground Rex? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 13, 2020 13:17:05 GMT
Possibly, but in the absence of any other credible system( that I can think of anyway) it's about the best we can hope for. Benevolent dictatorships or monarchies normally end in tears. Go on then I'll contribute. The only alternative to democracy (with all it's flaws and in particular first past the post systems) is a totalitarian approach. No-one would ever vote for that. The only way that is achieved is by revolution. Force and violence. And ultimately the deaths of thousand, or hundreds of thousands, or millions. That is why I have no time for the far left and the far right. Now benevolent dictatorships... I quite like the idea of that. This would allow for long term planning, and would make sense. It's the "benevolent" part which is the sticky bit. What sane, altruistic, decent person would want to proclaim themselves a de-facto emperor? Ultimate power ultimately corrupts. Do we have some common ground Rex? Ha ha Has there ever been a benevolent dictatorship? One where the incumbent walks away when the job is done? No, the answer is education, if that's at all possible for some. |
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Post by basel on Dec 13, 2020 13:18:47 GMT
What sane, altruistic, decent person would want to proclaim themselves a de-facto emperor?
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