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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 15, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
I did jury service with him about 20 years ago and he was a bit of a twat. However, I'm not sure if that's a sound enough basis to object to his appointment Haha! 🤣😂 If it's good enough for you, Rex it's certainly good enough for me! Haha! Jury's still out then?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 15, 2020 13:03:18 GMT
Coming up five years in February of ‘Evolution not Revolution’. I’ve had enough of it. Mr AQ and his lackeys have extinguished any passion I had left for this club I have followed since 1975. Absolutely clueless chumps blindly going from one crisis to the next. I wouldn’t trust them to make a decent appointment for a sh*thouse cleaner vacancy. This, absolutely this. The club is in a mismanaged decline. Apart from the odd unsustainable flutter it always has been
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 15, 2020 15:05:13 GMT
wrong verb. Tisdale plays the right way and is experienced. Any objections? I did jury service with him about 20 years ago and he was a bit of a twat. However, I'm not sure if that's a sound enough basis to object to his appointment we count you as a yes then. the squad looks to be an evolution rather than revolution squad at the moment so I don’t expect any better than l4 d3 w3 from whoever comes in. Even a good manager doesn’t have experienced players here, will have to be splendid coach and move forward slowly. based on performance progress from the first quarter of the season I think Ben earns second quarter to show he could continue that progress. IMO. We hired him less than year ago on basis he wasn’t oven ready and would need to learn. And if you draw a line and ignore last season, it’s clear upward progress.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 15, 2020 15:31:43 GMT
Garner came from left field, no one had heard of him, obscure credentials, last job in India May 2019 before joining Rovers, he's getting it in the neck now, but some of the responsibility must fall on the people who appointed him in the first place. Anyway its probably the least of our worries, someone somewhere will be trying to retrieve £30 million of debt the club has spent over the last 4 years. I see the charge is still in place on the Mem. This is exactly the thing that worries me.
Sacking the manager is not the bit that matter. It's hiring a new one. Do we have a plan? Will we do it better than last time? Are they going to be backed to bring in their own people or have to stick with this squad?
I don't particularly have confidence in our capacity to answer any of these questions effectively. No matter whether it was the right or wrong move to sack BG at this point - the overwhelming feeling is directionless flailing by those above him when it comes to onfield issues (off-field improvements notwithstanding).
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 15, 2020 16:14:38 GMT
Frosty says something like the foundations are OK, results aren't, game management has been a key concern. That last point is a fair one I think
I'm still a bit surprised, but maybe the game management of the manager was taking too long to learn
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Post by Rex on Nov 15, 2020 16:24:27 GMT
Garner came from left field, no one had heard of him, obscure credentials, last job in India May 2019 before joining Rovers, he's getting it in the neck now, but some of the responsibility must fall on the people who appointed him in the first place. Anyway its probably the least of our worries, someone somewhere will be trying to retrieve £30 million of debt the club has spent over the last 4 years. I see the charge is still in place on the Mem. This is exactly the thing that worries me.
Sacking the manager is not the bit that matter. It's hiring a new one. Do we have a plan? Will we do it better than last time? Are they going to be backed to bring in their own people or have to stick with this squad?
I don't particularly have confidence in our capacity to answer any of these questions effectively. No matter whether it was the right or wrong move to sack BG at this point - the overwhelming feeling is directionless flailing by those above him when it comes to onfield issues (off-field improvements notwithstanding).
Same here. As much as I didn't rate Garner, I thought we had got to a stage where we should stick with him while trying to find a replacement. Of course, it is quite possible that we have already been doing this and there is a plan in place, although I suspect not.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 15, 2020 16:42:54 GMT
Garner came from left field, no one had heard of him, obscure credentials, last job in India May 2019 before joining Rovers, he's getting it in the neck now, but some of the responsibility must fall on the people who appointed him in the first place. Anyway its probably the least of our worries, someone somewhere will be trying to retrieve £30 million of debt the club has spent over the last 4 years. I see the charge is still in place on the Mem. This is exactly the thing that worries me.
Sacking the manager is not the bit that matter. It's hiring a new one. Do we have a plan? Will we do it better than last time? Are they going to be backed to bring in their own people or have to stick with this squad?
I don't particularly have confidence in our capacity to answer any of these questions effectively. No matter whether it was the right or wrong move to sack BG at this point - the overwhelming feeling is directionless flailing by those above him when it comes to onfield issues (off-field improvements notwithstanding).
Diplomatic as always Irish but I should say the directionless flailing is apparent both on and off the field. As Oldie has posted “millions splashed up against the wall, for what ? And its not even fun”. I believe we should all think on that because we cannot hide away from it. We all saw the way Nick Higgs declined during his five year tenure and now we see Wael going the same way. His original warmth and enthusiasm has been replaced by anxiety, touchiness and visible insecurity. My thoughts on this topic are well known and not widely accepted but surely it is clear that the firing of Ben Garner is another impulsive, ill thought through decision with a strong hint that it was done at this time to court popularity. With no transition plan having been put in place the end result is likely to be more misery but we can easily predict now that this will all be put down to bad luck. By mistaking passivity for loyalty we keep helping our owners dig these big holes for themselves.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 15, 2020 17:22:38 GMT
Haha! 🤣😂 If it's good enough for you, Rex it's certainly good enough for me! Haha! Jury's still out then? Love it! 🤗
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 18:22:06 GMT
Probably been said before but cannot be done with all the bitching on here to read previous posts. Every defeat was men against boys. Garner screwed up big time,there is more to winning a match than trying to play like Barcelona. Ask Francis and Clarke to name but two.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 15, 2020 18:39:45 GMT
Probably been said before but cannot be done with all the bitching on here to read previous posts. Every defeat was men against boys. Garner screwed up big time,there is more to winning a match than trying to play like Barcelona. Ask Francis and Clarke to name but two. you have to admit though, when you can keep hold of the ball, press from the front, play in opponents half, and reach a good tempo, you are going to make it difficult for anyone. in that sense you would all concede we have seen some progress since start of this season? I certainly concede, even if you are playing good stuff as described, you still need more cutting edge both ends of pitch than we have seen this season. danger is though, fans think it can only get better, but how will dressing room and other staff react to Garner out and a mad dog coming in?
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Nov 15, 2020 20:32:29 GMT
I did jury service with him about 20 years ago and he was a bit of a twat. However, I'm not sure if that's a sound enough basis to object to his appointment we count you as a yes then. the squad looks to be an evolution rather than revolution squad at the moment so I don’t expect any better than l4 d3 w3 from whoever comes in. Even a good manager doesn’t have experienced players here, will have to be splendid coach and move forward slowly. based on performance progress from the first quarter of the season I think Ben earns second quarter to show he could continue that progress. IMO. We hired him less than year ago on basis he wasn’t oven ready and would need to learn. And if you draw a line and ignore last season, it’s clear upward progress. We've lost 5 this season and don't forget the 9 defeats last season, with a squad that was 4th, taking it to P26 W5 D7 L14. With a record like that I cannot see how literally anybody could not do better!?
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Post by The Concept on Nov 15, 2020 22:04:48 GMT
Funny isn't it, all these years we've been saying we can't string 3 passes together. This season we've seen some nice passing moves, retaining possession, players looking for the ball ... would be nice if we could get it up to the strikers once in a while though.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 15, 2020 23:01:53 GMT
Indeed. We should have asked him to leave after the Donny catastrophe. To answer your question: To allow plenty of time for a new encumbrance to come in, settle, assess the squad and be pro active in the next transfer window. Also, if there is any movement on allowing fans to return, there may be new enthusiasm as quite honestly, everything being equal, BG would have endured some 'interesting' real time and post match reaction from the terraces/stands... All of that. I wonder out loud though when, or at what point does it Wael give up, that his dream is not doable at Bristol Rovers. Clarke did not have the patience, nor recruitment vision, Coughlan was a bore, Garner was a gamble with very good recruitment but not a manager it appears. In the meantime £millions splashed up against the wall, for what? It's not even fun. You have to wonder We should have asked him to leave after the Donny catastrophe last season, perhaps even sooner than that. Encumbrance is an appropriate noun to describe Benny though I think the word you were really reaching for is incumbent. Apologies rjust realised I replied to the wrong post - meant to reply to O2B rather than oldie
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 16, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
Funny isn't it, all these years we've been saying we can't string 3 passes together. This season we've seen some nice passing moves, retaining possession, players looking for the ball ... would be nice if we could get it up to the strikers once in a while though. 4-3-3 is the best way to do that otherwise it gets put sideways and backwards in a midfield swamp until it's given away. Pardew is a 4-3-3 man, not that I'm gunning for him, mind.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 16, 2020 10:48:09 GMT
Funny isn't it, all these years we've been saying we can't string 3 passes together. This season we've seen some nice passing moves, retaining possession, players looking for the ball ... would be nice if we could get it up to the strikers once in a while though. 4-3-3 is the best way to do that otherwise it gets put sideways and backwards in a midfield swamp until it's given away. Pardew is a 4-3-3 man, not that I'm gunning for him, mind. Ah, Pardew, the old rock dropper!.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 16, 2020 11:02:32 GMT
4-3-3 is the best way to do that otherwise it gets put sideways and backwards in a midfield swamp until it's given away. Pardew is a 4-3-3 man, not that I'm gunning for him, mind. Ah, Pardew, the old rock dropper!. Good motivator, mind, and with an average term as coach of 1.89 years he'd be tailor-made for the Gas :-)
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 16, 2020 11:32:35 GMT
Ah, Pardew, the old rock dropper!. Good motivator, mind, and with an average term as coach of 1.89 years he'd be tailor-made for the Gas :-) Agree in total, would be quite happy if he stepped onboard!.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 16, 2020 12:46:04 GMT
Probably been said before but cannot be done with all the bitching on here to read previous posts. Every defeat was men against boys. Garner screwed up big time,there is more to winning a match than trying to play like Barcelona. Ask Francis and Clarke to name but two. you have to admit though, when you can keep hold of the ball, press from the front, play in opponents half, and reach a good tempo, you are going to make it difficult for anyone. in that sense you would all concede we have seen some progress since start of this season? I certainly concede, even if you are playing good stuff as described, you still need more cutting edge both ends of pitch than we have seen this season. danger is though, fans think it can only get better, but how will dressing room and other staff react to Garner out and a mad dog coming in? The bit highlighted in bold sounds bloody marvellous - when have you seen BGs Rovers play like this please? I can only really think the first half against Walsall where we sustained anything that looked like this in Garners whole time here. That is the problem - talked a good game and couldn't follow through on the pitch. I was bang up for Garner, the "project" and our new philosophy and was a lot more patient than many on here who clearly saw through it quicker than I. However as it unravelled the truth of the matter is we played an awful hybrid of turgid side to side crab football with the occasional hoof mixed in with an occasional good goal ala Saturday. If we were playing as you described above and we were getting beaten then I suspect BG would still be here and fans would be more patient whilst this new brand of attacking football was implemented. Turns out you can't play s**te, not pick up points and keep your job. Who knew?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 16, 2020 21:06:21 GMT
wrong verb. Tisdale plays the right way and is experienced. Any objections? I did jury service with him about 20 years ago and he was a bit of a twat. However, I'm not sure if that's a sound enough basis to object to his appointment Yeh. He doesn’t speak too highly of you either. 😉 But he’s prepared to have a pint with you when appointed! UTG! edit: in view of stuff this week can I just add that it’s a joke!!
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 16, 2020 22:28:00 GMT
We have an inexperienced line up of fancy dan footballers so can easily go down if get in a slump. We weren’t in a slump and looking in other direction when they sacked Ben, I would like on record.
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