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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 20:51:09 GMT
Don’t understand this, as corner had been turned and manager not under pressure from fans or relegation position and form anymore. Weird. I’m not sure of the timing of this. It’s hard to know what the thinking behind it. That someone else would have done better? With this squad and those fixtures? I haven’t felt worried about relegation for couple of months now till I heard this announcement, and now relegation is possible again. It suggests people feel another manager would have got better results from this challenging set of fixtures this season with this inexperienced squad of players. What? Seriously? If this club starts getting in a hurry for something more than mid table this season it’s being unrealistic about how long it takes with a newly thrown together young side. Away from the top sides we appeared competitive and started to play some effective football, just not consistently enough to be in top ten, though top ten finish still more than possible and would have been a great building season personally I would rather build with garner ball, young players with first touch, than endure cocko ball and his ageing cloggers. Although frustrated at this afternoons performance, I'm actually with you. We've pretty much accepted that this season will generally be crap, though we're not really in danger of going down. We're losing to top half teams regularly, but picking up enough points elsewhere to stay up. So give it another year. "Plan A" has failed. What is "Plan B"? If it's Cotterill, than I'm off. I'm not having that. I’m definitely with you, if its cotterill or a Johnson, season ticket goes in bin. heres a suggestion then, up and coming manager in 40s, well schooled, Rovers connection, recently signed 3 year deal at a non football league club (sort of), would be a promotion so is he ready, would he even want it. Gareth Taylor.
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Post by syg on Nov 14, 2020 20:57:14 GMT
Im simply looking at the option, Johnson has experience, was asked to develop players, is out of work, local and liked a passing game. thats a lot of ticked boxes, certainly if it came down to cotts or johnson, Johnson would come out on top.
I'd be surprised if he didnt apply for the post.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 21:05:34 GMT
Im simply looking at the option, Johnson has experience, was asked to develop players, is out of work, local and liked a passing game. thats a lot of ticked boxes, certainly if it came down to cotts or johnson, Johnson would come out on top. I'd be surprised if he didnt apply for the post. yeah. Yeah that’s all true. Yeah. But it’s Johnson! ☠️
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Post by syg on Nov 14, 2020 21:07:11 GMT
Or even Gary Johnson, or a Lee and Gary dream ticket. oh yes.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 21:11:35 GMT
Or even Gary Johnson, or a Lee and Gary dream ticket. oh yes. stop it. Behave! [insert Lionel Blair stare]
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Post by syg on Nov 14, 2020 21:19:36 GMT
Or even Gary Johnson, or a Lee and Gary dream ticket. oh yes. stop it. Behave! [insert Lionel Blair stare] Im serious. They could come out holding hands, Lee trying to skip behind him across the pitch, whilst trying not to loose grip of his dads hand. Then he coukd take his place on dads knee and screech instructions through a speaker made of A4.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 14, 2020 22:08:28 GMT
No way! After he missed that sitter at Wembley, he can take a hike!?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 22:15:01 GMT
stop it. Behave! [insert Lionel Blair stare] Im serious. They could come out holding hands, Lee trying to skip behind him across the pitch, whilst trying not to loose grip of his dads hand. Then he coukd take his place on dads knee and screech instructions through a speaker made of A4. hand him a speaker made of C4 and I’m listening. it’s been a long day, I’ll concede that, and shock of losing a manager straight after a game, even before groiny has called for the chop, can affect us all in funny ways. Though, without wishing to be rude, it does sound like you’ve completely lost it. Results haven’t been great, but it’s been a tough set of fixtures since start of season, performances have shown its coming together, won away in the cup last week with a fine first half performance. I wonder if there’s more to it. Did Pulis give Ben an escape pod. The board then sacked him because they felt their faith in him (I presume the transfer largesse was his picks) was betrayed?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 22:18:10 GMT
No way! After he missed that sitter at Wembley, he can take a hike!? No way! After he missed that sitter at Wembley, he can take a hike!?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 22:19:38 GMT
No way! After he missed that sitter at Wembley, he can take a hike!? Yeahhhhhhhs. but seriously, Gareth Taylor back not as player but up and coming manager.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 22:36:27 GMT
I'm really sad. We have assembled a squad full of 'Garner players', having shipped out everybody else, however Gas, because they didn't fit the Garner mould. And now, we sack Garner. That's the club we are now. I'm not sure how interesting this is going to get now.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 14, 2020 22:43:02 GMT
BG's overall record as our manager was played 33, Won 6, Drawn 10, Lost 17, scored 27 conceded 56.
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Post by JeffNZ on Nov 14, 2020 22:46:55 GMT
BG's overall record as our manager was played 33, Won 6, Drawn 10, Lost 17, scored 27 conceded 56. Cold hard painful stats...hard to argue with.
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Post by richmace on Nov 14, 2020 22:49:35 GMT
BG's overall record as our manager was played 33, Won 6, Drawn 10, Lost 17, scored 27 conceded 56. Cold hard painful stats...hard to argue with. At the end of the day. Managers are judged by results.
You cannot argue about the stats, the timing could be debated.
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Post by JeffNZ on Nov 14, 2020 22:52:07 GMT
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 14, 2020 22:52:21 GMT
BG's overall record as our manager was played 33, Won 6, Drawn 10, Lost 17, scored 27 conceded 56. Cold hard painful stats...hard to argue with. Especially when compared to GC's played 56, Won 25, Drawn 18, Lost 13, scored 76 conceded 60. It is, after all, a results business.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 14, 2020 23:11:55 GMT
I don't think Garner can have any complaints. It hasn't been good enough. If you don't get the results you get sacked. No one can consistently fail to deliver results for as long as he has and expect not to pay the price. Today we were particularly abject. So I don't really have any sympathy for Garner. Despite some recent flickerings that had me prepared to be patient, there's never really been very much evidence that he was up to the job. We just haven't played very well under him and today exposed again that we are lightweight and clueless against half decent League 1 opposition. There's no backbone to this team (Hanlon and maybe Grant excepted).
However, despite having no sympathy for Garner, I'm still not certain about what this says about Rovers. The timing is peculiar - all the timing involving Garner has been peculiar. Why sack him now? My position was always that he hadn't convinced at all but that we had to hope he'd turn it around because the club had gone all in on him and that is absolutely how it looked. Now he's gone so that hunch obviously wasn't right but it doesn't change the fact that we're still left with his players, his signing stratgey, his tactics etc. Will the new manager provide continuity for the approach the club has taken since January or will we pivot in a different direction. Is it right strategy - wrong man? or wrong strategy (I know this is the second thread I've put that in but it's the question that matters.
So while I'm not weeping any tears here I struggle to see this as a big step forward either - it feels like typical Rovers dysfunction more than anything else.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 14, 2020 23:25:31 GMT
Cold hard painful stats...hard to argue with. Especially when compared to GC's played 56, Won 25, Drawn 18, Lost 13, scored 76 conceded 60. It is, after all, a results business. the argument I would put is JCH was good for cocko, ansii too. Ansii was missed today, and earlier in year. jordi what a joke! should be proving reliability out on loan, but at what level of football will someone else play him? The record this season isn’t bad, the fixtures have been unkind, and performances showed it was coming together. Despite knockbacks confidence and composure remsined good and instead of a slump we look to be progressing settling individually and playing garner way as a team. Grant looked good today, reminded me of Pulis. Overall we started to look more than capable holding our own in this league this season and building on it. The formation, tactical approach, consistency in selection and selection decisions have been quite good overall. The run of fixtures been difficult, we were defrauded dale game and drew a couple of games we dominated, table position feels very false based on performance. Harsh to be so brutally judged on obvious weather impacted performance against a side in last seasons and this seasons top 6. Cheatwood looked dire today when bombarded for 15 minutes with the conditions we had for most of first half. it was supposed to be change of approach, bring in youngsters, not in any rush to go anywhere anytime soon. Which is easy to buy into as its common sense way to do it. So what is the plan now? Someone else can coach these players into better performances more quickly? Coach harries to pass to one of our players instead of theirs in the next game? Nothing has changed for us fans, this inexperienced side isn’t ready to beat fleetwood and the other strong sides and get a result most weeks in this league. In fact it could be a lot worse than it’s been this season so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 23:46:23 GMT
We sometimes come out and play better after half time, which must have been Garner?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 15, 2020 0:32:12 GMT
We sometimes come out and play better after half time, which must have been Garner? yeah. He was a proper manager at getting amongst them half time and sorting out what was wrong, normally fullbacks had been sitting too deep and the tempo too predictable
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