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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 16:01:55 GMT
Not stopping pedestrians who smell of weed ain't the same as not stopping car which smell similarly. Agreed.I assume Coppers have been doing both,thus contributing to the stop/arrest figures that Kahn wants to change,for reasons he gave. I would'nt have Cops stopping pedestrians that have the scent of spliff or drink. Drivers I would stop,test and arrest if they failed cannabis test.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 16:29:54 GMT
Not stopping pedestrians who smell of weed ain't the same as not stopping car which smell similarly. Yep. From what I have read it relates more to the Stop & Search issue in London and undertaking such action on the basis of "smelling cannabis". Kahn is right if he is suggesting to the Police that they should not on that basis, anymore than they should have stopped me walking in London after a "Gentlemen's Lunch" They wouldn't have of course and didn't, because I am white and was wearing a suite. Basel Your posts on this topic bear all the hallmarks of reading what you want to read and not what is actually written. The act of a typical reactionary.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 16:52:22 GMT
Not stopping pedestrians who smell of weed ain't the same as not stopping car which smell similarly. Yep. From what I have read it relates more to the Stop & Search issue in London and undertaking such action on the basis of "smelling cannabis". Kahn is right if he is suggesting to the Police that they should not on that basis, anymore than they should have stopped me walking in London after a "Gentlemen's Lunch" They wouldn't have of course and didn't, because I am white and was wearing a suite. Basel Your posts on this topic bear all the hallmarks of reading what you want to read and not what is actually written. The act of a typical reactionary. "From what I have read". We've read different articles then Oldie. "From what I've read" or heard (maybe radio,can't remember),it's allowing cannabis smokers a chance to drive under the influence without being challenged by the Law. I am sure a driver that smells of cannabis should take the test.Why not? Innocent then on their way. Guilty,arrested and the roads are safer. In the scenario Kahns hopes goes through, it will cost some people their life. I would say it's a good idea to react to that.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 14, 2020 17:22:12 GMT
The Guardian. theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/13/met-police-told-40-of-recruits-must-be-from-bame-backgrounds "The Met will be expected to answer to new community panels on a range of controversial issues. It will review stops where the sole ground is the “sniff” of cannabis, which are supposed to have stopped because they were thought to be a way to harass black communities, but are alleged to be continuing". Only scan read it. Doesn't appear to directly mention driving whilst under the influence of cannabis. But you can see how "a story" develops. Everyone play nicely now. UTG. I am playing nicely Epping. Basel posts up a story, Trump like, which has no basis in fact. Uses that to justify his views. To be fair, there is some basis to this story (unlike most of Trumps lunatic diatribes). Here's one for you... a policeman sees a gentleman light up a spliff... he's a pedestrian, so he leaves things be. However the gentleman gets into a car and starts the engine. Is the policeman now well within his rights to apprehend the driver? Serious question. Playing nicely.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 17:31:11 GMT
I am playing nicely Epping. Basel posts up a story, Trump like, which has no basis in fact. Uses that to justify his views. To be fair, there is some basis to this story (unlike most of Trumps lunatic diatribes). Here's one for you... a policeman sees a gentleman light up a spliff... he's a pedestrian, so he leaves things be. However the gentleman gets into a car and starts the engine. Is the policeman now well within his rights to apprehend the driver? Serious question. Playing nicely. Yes,the Copper should test the level of cannabis in the drivers system a d make the roads safer.Perhaps save lives. Or stop and consider the amount of BAME people in the Police Force.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 8:23:41 GMT
I am playing nicely Epping. Basel posts up a story, Trump like, which has no basis in fact. Uses that to justify his views. To be fair, there is some basis to this story (unlike most of Trumps lunatic diatribes). Here's one for you... a policeman sees a gentleman light up a spliff... he's a pedestrian, so he leaves things be. However the gentleman gets into a car and starts the engine. Is the policeman now well within his rights to apprehend the driver? Serious question. Playing nicely. Yes of course the Police Officer would be, the same as seeing someone swigging from a bottle of vodka, albeit that would be legal, (until the person put the keys in the ignition) and smoking cannabis (ridiculously) is not. But that's not what the reports of what can Khan said indicate. He allegedly said do not stop and search on the basis of SMELLING cannabis. Nothing to do with driving, Basel made that last bit up because that's what he wants to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 8:28:59 GMT
To be fair, there is some basis to this story (unlike most of Trumps lunatic diatribes). Here's one for you... a policeman sees a gentleman light up a spliff... he's a pedestrian, so he leaves things be. However the gentleman gets into a car and starts the engine. Is the policeman now well within his rights to apprehend the driver? Serious question. Playing nicely. Yes,the Copper should test the level of cannabis in the drivers system a d make the roads safer.Perhaps save lives. Or stop and consider the amount of BAME people in the Police Force. BAME PEOPLE??? What does that mean, are they aliens? You keep saying it as if testing for drugs on drivers suspected of DUI does not happen. The police carry testing kits alongside alcohol testing kits. It's an offence.
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Post by basel on Nov 15, 2020 9:16:00 GMT
Yes,the Copper should test the level of cannabis in the drivers system a d make the roads safer.Perhaps save lives. Or stop and consider the amount of BAME people in the Police Force. BAME PEOPLE??? What does that mean, are they aliens? You keep saying it as if testing for drugs on drivers suspected of DUI does not happen. The police carry testing kits alongside alcohol testing kits. It's an offence. I think BAME is a full on,right on and pc acronym.I don't think it's been relegated to the offensive just yet.I think the Guardian uses it,in all it's precious wisdom. Difficult to know what words are safe these days,ay. I told you earlier and in Bristol eg,a Bobby told me - and it sounds like an excuse,but it might be based on solid financial Police budget - the contraption that tests a driver,suspected of being under the influence of cannabis costs a few quid,think it about £40, and can only be used once.He reckons the Police budget can't handle it. Kahn has plans for the Police to not stop anyone for suspected cannabis intake alone.They have to eg be suspected of carrying a knife. This will ,so Kahn reckons,mean blacks will have more confidence in the Police,better relations and be more likely to join the Police Force.Kahn wants to have more people from BAME in the Police. I'm just passing on Mayor Kahns message. I think it will lead to more deaths on our roads. Edit.Kahn is strongly influenced by the political group BLM,or whatever name they ho by now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 9:56:13 GMT
BAME PEOPLE??? What does that mean, are they aliens? You keep saying it as if testing for drugs on drivers suspected of DUI does not happen. The police carry testing kits alongside alcohol testing kits. It's an offence. I think BAME is a full on,right on and pc acronym.I don't think it's been relegated to the offensive just yet.I think the Guardian uses it,in all it's precious wisdom. Difficult to know what words are safe these days,ay. I told you earlier and in Bristol eg,a Bobby told me - and it sounds like an excuse,but it might be based on solid financial Police budget - the contraption that tests a driver,suspected of being under the influence of cannabis costs a few quid,think it about £40, and can only be used once.He reckons the Police budget can't handle it. Kahn has plans for the Police to not stop anyone for suspected cannabis intake alone.They have to eg be suspected of carrying a knife. This will ,so Kahn reckons,mean blacks will have more confidence in the Police,better relations and be more likely to join the Police Force.Kahn wants to have more people from BAME in the Police. I'm just passing on Mayor Kahns message. I think it will lead to more deaths on our roads. Edit.Kahn is strongly influenced by the political group BLM,or whatever name they ho by now. Ffs Give it up. Khan did not say that, he said do not use smell as a basis for Stop & Search. Suspicion of carrying drugs, for personal use or intent to distribute is a basis for stopping and questioning anyone.
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Post by kentgas on Nov 15, 2020 10:36:44 GMT
Sunday Times today ‘the Sporting Equals charity reported that non-white British people working in the industry find the term BAME offensive. The acronym was considered derogatory, upsetting and disrespectful by the people about whom it is blithely used.’ So there you are!
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 15, 2020 10:46:48 GMT
I think BAME is a full on,right on and pc acronym.I don't think it's been relegated to the offensive just yet.I think the Guardian uses it,in all it's precious wisdom. Difficult to know what words are safe these days,ay. I told you earlier and in Bristol eg,a Bobby told me - and it sounds like an excuse,but it might be based on solid financial Police budget - the contraption that tests a driver,suspected of being under the influence of cannabis costs a few quid,think it about £40, and can only be used once.He reckons the Police budget can't handle it. Kahn has plans for the Police to not stop anyone for suspected cannabis intake alone.They have to eg be suspected of carrying a knife. This will ,so Kahn reckons,mean blacks will have more confidence in the Police,better relations and be more likely to join the Police Force.Kahn wants to have more people from BAME in the Police. I'm just passing on Mayor Kahns message. I think it will lead to more deaths on our roads. Edit.Kahn is strongly influenced by the political group BLM,or whatever name they ho by now. Ffs Give it up. Khan did not say that, he said do not use smell as a basis for Stop & Search. Suspicion of carrying drugs, for personal use or intent to distribute is a basis for stopping and questioning anyone. I would have thought only "intent to distribute" is a basis for stop & search. Not personal use. Even "intent to distribute" looks like it is being questioned here (in relation to cannabis, class c drug). Correct me if I'm wrong. To all - Given the nature of this discussion, please keep comments respectful (that's me included). And if we could all quote from reputable sources, that helps the quality of the debate. No-one wants to spend their time going down internet rabbit holes of disinformation and fake news... UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
Ffs Give it up. Khan did not say that, he said do not use smell as a basis for Stop & Search. Suspicion of carrying drugs, for personal use or intent to distribute is a basis for stopping and questioning anyone. I would have thought only "intent to distribute" is a basis for stop & search. Not personal use. Even "intent to distribute" looks like it is being questioned here (in relation to cannabis, class c drug). Correct me if I'm wrong. To all - Given the nature of this discussion, please keep comments respectful (that's me included). And if we could all quote from reputable sources, that helps the quality of the debate. No-one wants to spend their time going down internet rabbit holes of disinformation and fake news... UTG. Absolutely. Take note Basel. Anyway, it's done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:58:10 GMT
Cannabis is Class B, mind. Put it away, Uncle Eppers.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 15, 2020 15:04:22 GMT
Cannabis is Class B, mind. Put it away, Uncle Eppers. Damn! Missed that. Re-classified as Class B in 2009 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_classification_in_the_United_Kingdom (I'm sure there are more reputable sources than wiki, but it does the job most of the time). For the record, I have never taken an illegal substance in my life, and never even tried to smoke. I am, that sad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 21:51:43 GMT
Cannabis is Class B, mind. Put it away, Uncle Eppers. Damn! Missed that. Re-classified as Class B in 2009 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_classification_in_the_United_Kingdom (I'm sure there are more reputable sources than wiki, but it does the job most of the time). For the record, I have never taken an illegal substance in my life, and never even tried to smoke. I am, that sad. Aha That explains everything
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