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Post by Rex on Nov 14, 2020 11:03:20 GMT
I'm as right on as the next man, when I saw the headlines I thought to myself he would have said much more serious than just 'coloured players' . Well, an observation that there were more Asians in the IT department and a somewhat clumsy reference that being gay was a lifestyle choice seems to be about the worst of it.
I might wince a little when people say 'coloured' but the fact is that is was said without any malice whatsoever. Some black people may take offence at the term, but I bet you for every one that does, there are ten that don't, but unfortunately that majority will not be shown on TV, leading to further division and actually helping the real racists by getting some people believing their 'You cant say anything nowadays' rhetoric.
If someone could introduce me to the person who decided that 'people of colour' actually means something different to 'coloured people' I would very much like to hit them around the head repeatedly with a shovel and try and knock some f**king sense into them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 11:13:00 GMT
I'm as right on as the next man, when I saw the headlines I thought to myself he would have said much more serious than just 'coloured players' . Well, an observation that there were more Asians in the IT department and a somewhat clumsy reference that being gay was a lifestyle choice seems to be about the worst of it. I might wince a little when people say 'coloured' but the fact is that is was said without any malice whatsoever. Some black people may take offence at the term, but I bet you for every one that does, there are ten that don't, but unfortunately that majority will not be shown on TV, leading to further division and actually helping the real racists by getting some people believing their 'You cant say anything nowadays' rhetoric. If someone could introduce me to the person who decided that 'people of colour' actually means something different to 'coloured people' I would very much like to hit them around the head repeatedly with a shovel and try and knock some fing sense into them. But Rex. Why would you reference a person's skin colour at all? What relevance is it in football terms? Why make any reference to any individuals sexual preference, what drives someone to "see" ethnicity in a particular professional work stream? Until we eradicate this stupidity we will never cross the Rubicon on these issues.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 14, 2020 11:14:06 GMT
I'm as right on as the next man, when I saw the headlines I thought to myself he would have said much more serious than just 'coloured players' . Well, an observation that there were more Asians in the IT department and a somewhat clumsy reference that being gay was a lifestyle choice seems to be about the worst of it. I might wince a little when people say 'coloured' but the fact is that is was said without any malice whatsoever. Some black people may take offence at the term, but I bet you for every one that does, there are ten that don't, but unfortunately that majority will not be shown on TV, leading to further division and actually helping the real racists by getting some people believing their 'You cant say anything nowadays' rhetoric. If someone could introduce me to the person who decided that 'people of colour' actually means something different to 'coloured people' I would very much like to hit them around the head repeatedly with a shovel and try and knock some fing sense into them. A more politically correct Admin might censor that for casual racism and inciting violence. Fortunately I am not politically correct and have a sense of humour (allegedly).
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Post by Rex on Nov 14, 2020 11:20:36 GMT
I'm as right on as the next man, when I saw the headlines I thought to myself he would have said much more serious than just 'coloured players' . Well, an observation that there were more Asians in the IT department and a somewhat clumsy reference that being gay was a lifestyle choice seems to be about the worst of it. I might wince a little when people say 'coloured' but the fact is that is was said without any malice whatsoever. Some black people may take offence at the term, but I bet you for every one that does, there are ten that don't, but unfortunately that majority will not be shown on TV, leading to further division and actually helping the real racists by getting some people believing their 'You cant say anything nowadays' rhetoric. If someone could introduce me to the person who decided that 'people of colour' actually means something different to 'coloured people' I would very much like to hit them around the head repeatedly with a shovel and try and knock some fing sense into them. But Rex. Why would you reference a person's skin colour at all? What relevance is it in football terms? Why make any reference to any individuals sexual preference, what drives someone to "see" ethnicity in a particular professional work stream? Until we eradicate this stupidity we will never cross the Rubicon on these issues. Well I agree, however wasn't he being specifically asked about the subject?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 11:34:28 GMT
But Rex. Why would you reference a person's skin colour at all? What relevance is it in football terms? Why make any reference to any individuals sexual preference, what drives someone to "see" ethnicity in a particular professional work stream? Until we eradicate this stupidity we will never cross the Rubicon on these issues. Well I agree, however wasn't he being specifically asked about the subject? An intelligent man or woman might have said "It's our ambition to drive out all forms of racism and prejudice in whatever form it raises its ugly head" Kills it in one sentence. He didn't, because he is too dim, and a fossilized 1970s' dinosaur. Anyone who seeks to excuse him needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 12:11:05 GMT
In the scenario it had been eg a Muslim slipping up from the right on pc language whilst speaking of gay people, the Labour MP talking to him almost certainly would'nt of patronisingly asked him if he 'wanted to apoligise'.
In the week Mayor Kahn of London has instructed Police not to stop cars if they can smell cannabis.Something to do with not upsetting blacks and their culture.
So eg,a person can get done for risking life by drink driving and quite right too. But,you are allowed to get wasted on cannabis,drive and risk causing death without fear of being stopped by the Metropolitan Police.This,because Kahn is scared of upsetting blacks.
Both drinking and smoking are cultural. Both are potentially deadly to do and drive.
This is clearly a ridiculous and dangerous situation.
I assume the down on one knee BLM thing will happen pre ko today.A celebration of the far Left.
Strange.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 13:30:46 GMT
In the scenario it had been eg a Muslim slipping up from the right on pc language whilst speaking of gay people, the Labour MP talking to him almost certainly would'nt of patronisingly asked him if he 'wanted to apoligise'. In the week Mayor Kahn of London has instructed Police not to stop cars if they can smell cannabis.Something to do with not upsetting blacks and their culture. So eg,a person can get done for risking life by drink driving and quite right too. But,you are allowed to get wasted on cannabis,drive and risk causing death without fear of being stopped by the Metropolitan Police.This,because Kahn is scared of upsetting blacks. Both drinking and smoking are cultural. Both are potentially deadly to do and drive. This is clearly a ridiculous and dangerous situation. I assume the down on one knee BLM thing will happen pre ko today.A celebration of the far Left. Strange. That's a load of "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" bollox Basel. Consuming drugs of the non prescription kind and driving a motor vehicle is an offence with a similar tarriff as driving whilst drunk on alcohol. Mayor Khan has no authority to tell the police to not enforce the law.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 13:52:17 GMT
In the scenario it had been eg a Muslim slipping up from the right on pc language whilst speaking of gay people, the Labour MP talking to him almost certainly would'nt of patronisingly asked him if he 'wanted to apoligise'. In the week Mayor Kahn of London has instructed Police not to stop cars if they can smell cannabis.Something to do with not upsetting blacks and their culture. So eg,a person can get done for risking life by drink driving and quite right too. But,you are allowed to get wasted on cannabis,drive and risk causing death without fear of being stopped by the Metropolitan Police.This,because Kahn is scared of upsetting blacks. Both drinking and smoking are cultural. Both are potentially deadly to do and drive. This is clearly a ridiculous and dangerous situation. I assume the down on one knee BLM thing will happen pre ko today.A celebration of the far Left. Strange. That's a load of "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" bollox Basel. Consuming drugs of the non prescription kind and driving a motor vehicle is an offence with a similar tarriff as driving whilst drunk on alcohol. Mayor Khan has no authority to tell the police to not enforce the law. What have you against people from Tonbridge Wells Oldie? You state a fact of British law,we agree. Apparently the London Labour Mayor has advised Police to turn a blind eye to 'stoned drivers' for not wanting to upset black people because it's cultural. The Police can carry on doing drink drivers. The law is not be the same for all. That is plainly wrong. People are entitled to question this dangerous nonsense Edit.A Bristol Bobby told me,the contraption to test 'cannabis influenced drivers' costs about £40.It can only be used once.This was given as a reason for allowing stoned drivers to carry on risking peoples lives in Bristol. I wonder how many have died due to stoned driving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:22:21 GMT
That's a load of "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" bollox Basel. Consuming drugs of the non prescription kind and driving a motor vehicle is an offence with a similar tarriff as driving whilst drunk on alcohol. Mayor Khan has no authority to tell the police to not enforce the law. What have you against people from Tonbridge Wells Oldie? You state a fact of British law,we agree. Apparently the London Labour Mayor has advised Police to turn a blind eye to 'stoned drivers' for not wanting to upset black people because it's cultural. The Police can carry on doing drink drivers. The law is not be the same for all. That is plainly wrong. People are entitled to question this dangerous nonsense Edit.A Bristol Bobby told me,the contraption to test 'cannabis influenced drivers' costs about £40.It can only be used once.This was given as a reason for allowing stoned drivers to carry on risking peoples lives in Bristol. I wonder how many have died due to stoned driving. Christ Basel That's crap. Khan has no authority to do what you are suggesting he has done. Can you show us your source for this, even better, provide a link?
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Post by Rex on Nov 14, 2020 14:42:57 GMT
Well I agree, however wasn't he being specifically asked about the subject? An intelligent man or woman might have said "It's our ambition to drive out all forms of racism and prejudice in whatever form it raises its ugly head" Kills it in one sentence. He didn't, because he is too dim, and a fossilized 1970s' dinosaur. Anyone who seeks to excuse him needs to have a long hard look in the mirror. I'm not arguing about his suitability for the job, I'm saying , if the term 'people of colour' is deemed perfectly okay, then for the term 'coloured people' to be deemed unacceptable, is plainly ridiculous.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 14, 2020 14:50:25 GMT
The Guardian. theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/13/met-police-told-40-of-recruits-must-be-from-bame-backgrounds "The Met will be expected to answer to new community panels on a range of controversial issues. It will review stops where the sole ground is the “sniff” of cannabis, which are supposed to have stopped because they were thought to be a way to harass black communities, but are alleged to be continuing". Only scan read it. Doesn't appear to directly mention driving whilst under the influence of cannabis. But you can see how "a story" develops. Everyone play nicely now. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:58:57 GMT
The Guardian. theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/13/met-police-told-40-of-recruits-must-be-from-bame-backgrounds "The Met will be expected to answer to new community panels on a range of controversial issues. It will review stops where the sole ground is the “sniff” of cannabis, which are supposed to have stopped because they were thought to be a way to harass black communities, but are alleged to be continuing". Only scan read it. Doesn't appear to directly mention driving whilst under the influence of cannabis. But you can see how "a story" develops. Everyone play nicely now. UTG. I am playing nicely Epping. Basel posts up a story, Trump like, which has no basis in fact. Uses that to justify his views.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:01:26 GMT
An intelligent man or woman might have said "It's our ambition to drive out all forms of racism and prejudice in whatever form it raises its ugly head" Kills it in one sentence. He didn't, because he is too dim, and a fossilized 1970s' dinosaur. Anyone who seeks to excuse him needs to have a long hard look in the mirror. I'm not arguing about his suitability for the job, I'm saying , if the term 'people of colour' is deemed perfectly okay, then for the term 'coloured people' to be deemed unacceptable, is plainly ridiculous. I know you are Rex and I agree with you. But the real point is not that, it's why are we, as a society, even discussing issues within the narrow prism of the colour of someone's skin. It's preposterous. Nuances of terminology are no cover.
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Post by Rex on Nov 14, 2020 15:01:39 GMT
That's a load of "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" bollox Basel. Consuming drugs of the non prescription kind and driving a motor vehicle is an offence with a similar tarriff as driving whilst drunk on alcohol. Mayor Khan has no authority to tell the police to not enforce the law. What have you against people from Tonbridge Wells Oldie? You state a fact of British law,we agree. Apparently the London Labour Mayor has advised Police to turn a blind eye to 'stoned drivers' for not wanting to upset black people because it's cultural. The Police can carry on doing drink drivers.The law is not be the same for all. That is plainly wrong. People are entitled to question this dangerous nonsense Edit.A Bristol Bobby told me,the contraption to test 'cannabis influenced drivers' costs about £40.It can only be used once.This was given as a reason for allowing stoned drivers to carry on risking peoples lives in Bristol. I wonder how many have died due to stoned driving. I know the London Mayor called -in effect- for police to stop pulling overs drivers just because the colour of their skin, and quite bloody right too. However, I'm pretty damn sure he never mentioned 'not stopping cars smelling of weed'. I don't know where you got that from, it sounds suspiciously like one of those 'facts' thrown around on Facebook!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:03:15 GMT
The words and actions of anti-BLM enthusiasts echo the pronouncements of “nationalists” who always claim to be defending their country from agitators, anarchists, communists, etc.
Before Hitler rose to power in Germany, he directed his Sturmabteilung to foment violence in the streets.
Then he would claim that only he could clean up the mess.
Sound familiar?
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Post by Rex on Nov 14, 2020 15:12:59 GMT
The words and actions of anti-BLM enthusiasts echo the pronouncements of “nationalists” who always claim to be defending their country from agitators, anarchists, communists, etc. Before Hitler rose to power in Germany, he directed his Sturmabteilung to foment violence in the streets. Then he would claim that only he could clean up the mess. Sound familiar? I agree, to a point. I actually thought the appearance of 'statue defenders' on our streets this summer(many of whom I knew btw) was a sad and sinister sight. I seemingly spend my whole life shouting 'bollocks' to mates who post the most ridiculous, baseless claims about various 'leftie causes'. It is s**te like a man being vilified for using the term 'coloured people' that helps further their cause.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 15:34:36 GMT
Google 'London Mayor Sadiq Kahn calls for Police road traffic stop review'.
You'll find a few reports on it.
Basically Kahn says....London multi cultural....blacks stopped alot more than whites....black people deserve to have confidence in the Police too....this lack of confidence does'nt help recruitment of BAME into the force....think it read there are 5000 BAME in the force,Kahn wants more.
One of the ways to get black stops/arrests down and therefore create better Police BAME relations and get BAME recruitment higher in the Force ,is to not stop a BAME person for only smelling cannabis.
That is wrong imo.
Nothing against a smoke,but driving afterwards is dangerous.
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Post by basel on Nov 14, 2020 15:48:25 GMT
That's a load of "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" bollox Basel. Consuming drugs of the non prescription kind and driving a motor vehicle is an offence with a similar tarriff as driving whilst drunk on alcohol. Mayor Khan has no authority to tell the police to not enforce the law. What have you against people from Tonbridge Wells Oldie? You state a fact of British law,we agree. Apparently the London Labour Mayor has advised Police to turn a blind eye to 'stoned drivers' for not wanting to upset black people because it's cultural. The Police can carry on doing drink drivers. The law is not be the same for all. That is plainly wrong. People are entitled to question this dangerous nonsense Edit.A Bristol Bobby told me,the contraption to test 'cannabis influenced drivers' costs about £40.It can only be used once.This was given as a reason for allowing stoned drivers to carry on risking peoples lives in Bristol. I wonder how many have died due to stoned driving. So,apologies for giving the impression this idea has been done and dusted,with Kahn issuing Police orders.Sorry. But,not stopping people/vehicles only for the smell of cannabis is on the table of Kahns table within his call for a review.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:56:18 GMT
Not stopping pedestrians who smell of weed ain't the same as not stopping cars which smell similarly.
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