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Post by warehamgas on Oct 14, 2020 18:19:24 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good. I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72. Yes. Actually the surprising thing is that Liverpool and Man U owners expected that other PL clubs who would be relegated and others who would be vulnerable, to vote for their scheme. Perhaps they aren’t so smart after all. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 15, 2020 8:21:28 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good. I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72. Well I guess that proposal was at least starting point for negotiation. At least the PL have been 'forced' to actually talk about reform / redistribution of TV money. Away from the "power grab" element... the rest of the proposal, seems OK to me. There will be a price to be paid for the PL bailing out the EFL. They are not a registered charity. Not sure what you mean by "integrity"? Losing the EFL Cup?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 11:22:45 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good. I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72. Well I guess that proposal was at least starting point for negotiation. At least the PL have been 'forced' to actually talk about reform / redistribution of TV money. Away from the "power grab" element... the rest of the proposal, seems OK to me. There will be a price to be paid for the PL bailing out the EFL. They are not a registered charity. Not sure what you mean by "integrity"? Losing the EFL Cup? Losing two clubs.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 15, 2020 11:59:20 GMT
Well I guess that proposal was at least starting point for negotiation. At least the PL have been 'forced' to actually talk about reform / redistribution of TV money. Away from the "power grab" element... the rest of the proposal, seems OK to me. There will be a price to be paid for the PL bailing out the EFL. They are not a registered charity. Not sure what you mean by "integrity"? Losing the EFL Cup? Losing two clubs. I hadn't thought that through. How would "The 72" have accommodated the two ex-Premier League clubs? By becoming "The 74"? Probably not. So either promotion from the National League is suspended for a season, or four clubs get relegated from League Two, to be replaced by only two from the National League. More sinister, in my view, would have been, in the words of David Conn in the Guardian, the "planned consolidation of voting power within the Premier League of the big six plus the three outside clubs that have been in the top flight longest, Everton, Southampton and West Ham". That sounds anti-competitive even in a business context, let alone what is supposed to be a sporting competition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 12:23:01 GMT
They confirmed that all the existing EFL divisions would have remained at 24 clubs but the PL would reduce to 18. So the result would be two teams lost from the bottom of the league.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 15, 2020 12:57:08 GMT
They confirmed that all the existing EFL divisions would have remained at 24 clubs but the PL would reduce to 18. So the result would be two teams lost from the bottom of the league. Ah - OK, fair point Latvian. So the price of a bail-out, a fairer share of TV money in the future and the scrapping of parachute payments - is PL down to 18 Clubs, EFL 'losing' two Clubs and the loss of the EFL Cup. Bye bye Morecambe / Crawley / Stevenage. Anyone got a pen? The EFL has no bargaining power. At all. So on balance - yes, this looks a good deal for the EFL. The bigger problem is getting the PL Clubs to back it.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 15, 2020 13:01:12 GMT
'Losing' 2 EFL Clubs shouldn't take long anyway. Southend have a final winding up order at the High Court at the end of the month. The EFL will lose 2 Clubs by Darwin's survival of the fittest law...
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 15, 2020 14:41:22 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good. I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72. Well I guess that proposal was at least starting point for negotiation. At least the PL have been 'forced' to actually talk about reform / redistribution of TV money. Away from the "power grab" element... the rest of the proposal, seems OK to me. There will be a price to be paid for the PL bailing out the EFL. They are not a registered charity. Not sure what you mean by "integrity"? Losing the EFL Cup? Something having “integrity” in this context is something being independent from and able to operate and make moral and correct decisions free from influence from a richer, more influential body. It means making decisions for the benefit of members not for the benefit of others who may be richer. You make decisions on the basis of what is right not how much money it earns you. Can’t speak for astafjevs but that’s what I believe is meant by integrity. Another example, again as I see it, was last season in League 1. With Bury voted out and Bolton being heavily penalised I always said that the league lacked integrity because it didn’t work as it should have done. When you add an appalling season by Southend it ultimately meant that there was only one place up to avoid. And that meant that the league didn’t work as it should and teams that could have been worried about relegation weren’t because of all that. I felt it lacked integrity because it didn’t work as it is planned to work (4 going down from an equal start). I’m not apportioning blame because in the circumstances it was unavoidable, but you don’t want any more seasons like it. UTG!
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 15, 2020 15:08:16 GMT
Surely integrity can mean wholeness or unity?
Integritate.
Latin/Latvian.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 16, 2020 10:05:59 GMT
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 16, 2020 11:01:36 GMT
The prospect of PL 2 and/or PL B teams in the pyramid is far more dangerous than the recent proposal of a reduction of the PL of 18 teams and a reduction in the EFL to 70... This will end badly. The EFL is totally reliant of the benevolence of the PL.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 16, 2020 11:13:27 GMT
The prospect of PL 2 and/or PL B teams in the pyramid is far more dangerous than the recent proposal of a reduction of the PL of 18 teams and a reduction in the EFL to 70... This will end badly. The EFL is totally reliant of the benevolence of the PL. unless they choose to put their house in order....
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Post by basel on Oct 16, 2020 12:54:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 13:26:23 GMT
Here's the point AMPG, and it's a wider one than the topic of this thread. The Guardian was established, in part, with money made by slave labour in US cotton fields, when questioned on this in I believe 2011 their spokesperson replied that it was just fine because the founder's views were 'of his time'. Fast forward to 2020 and they are leading the hysterical cries to remove from our cultural landscape statues etc such as the one of Edward Colston. Despicable rag, shame on anybody who reads it, even more so on anybody who quotes content from it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 13:39:44 GMT
There is no statue of Edward Colston to remove, Bamber. Do keep up.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 18, 2020 13:26:42 GMT
Update from the BBC on "Project Big Picture". www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54587893In a surprising turn of events, it would appear the Premier League have decided that gifting £250mil to the EFL and guaranteeing 20% of future TV money is a little bit of a stretch. Shocker.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 21, 2020 7:54:28 GMT
Slight tangent. But the spectre of the "European Premier League" is looming again. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54621189The Champions League does need reform. Boring, predictable group games with giants vs minnows don't make enough money. The knock-out part generates interest, but not enough lucrative games. So potentially a more 'league type structure' might work. Just from a financial point of view anyway. Does this effect BRFC? Ultimately yes, as the money gets increasingly concentrated at the top.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 21, 2020 9:54:15 GMT
Slight tangent. But the spectre of the "European Premier League" is looming again. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54621189The Champions League does need reform. Boring, predictable group games with giants vs minnows don't make enough money. The knock-out part generates interest, but not enough lucrative games. So potentially a more 'league type structure' might work. Just from a financial point of view anyway. Does this effect BRFC? Ultimately yes, as the money gets increasingly concentrated at the top. Thing is I can see a “European League” becoming a bit of a closed shop with little in the way of relegation out of it or promotion into it because that’s what the big clubs will want to protect their money making ventures and it will then soon become another boring, “same old, same old“ Man U v Bayern Munich (insert any big team you like in the fixture list) and then some bright nugget will want another reform. (to what I have no idea!) to make a few more squilions.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 21, 2020 10:18:53 GMT
First time I have bought a sports pass, because of lockdown, just to watch last seasons climax to Champions League. Thought that condensed format was very enjoyable and worth the money. Would not pay for current format or any Euro League.
Wonder if it would continue to be a cash cow if changed too much?
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 21, 2020 22:03:51 GMT
Update from the BBC on "Project Big Picture". www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54587893In a surprising turn of events, it would appear the Premier League have decided that gifting £250mil to the EFL and guaranteeing 20% of future TV money is a little bit of a stretch. Shocker. It’s beginning to look an even bigger mess than last week. At the moment the PL clubs are getting some stick and the FA, EFL and the government will all be putting them under pressure to do something to help clubs now. The press seem to think that several clubs are under danger if help isn’t forthcoming very soon. Personally I’m not sure that it’s the PLs job to bale out League 1 or League 2 clubs but the general feeling appears to think it is and if a club or even more cease trading in the current climate then I think the authorities would come down nard on the PL for doing nothing when such a small amount of £££ could have saved the club. In short, the PL can’t afford to let a small league club to go out of business. They don’t want any more bad press. Ultimately, it’s unlikely that the big clubs would step outside the existing structures to get what they want, so in a way they need the FA as much as everyone else needs the PL cash. EUFA work through the FA and they would be unlikely to deal with a breakaway group. I suspect a smaller sum will be given to league clubs to tide them over but nothing major will change until the PL get more of what they want. But we’ll see. UTG!
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