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Post by basel on Oct 12, 2020 18:04:37 GMT
250m between 72 clubs, Its not very much, is it ? About £3,400,000 a club I think.
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Post by basel on Oct 12, 2020 18:05:15 GMT
Maybe the Government could step in.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 13, 2020 7:31:45 GMT
Maybe the Government could step in. The Govt have given financial support to the National League. The Govt passed responsibility to the Premier League to formulate a plan to help out the EFL. The Premier League did nothing. Rick Parry / Man Utd & Liverpool have come up with a plan. On balance, I like it. So do a number of EFL owners. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180There will be a need for a "sweetener" for the 14 or so premiersh*t Clubs (like wet spam) in danger of relegation. But something 'like this' has to go through - or it won't just be Southend (winding up order at the end of the month) that go to the wall. I think a lot of people just don't grasp how serious the situation is. Hey ho.
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 13, 2020 8:14:42 GMT
At this rate the premier league will be down to two clubs by 2220.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 13, 2020 8:25:21 GMT
At this rate the premier league will be down to two clubs by 2220. it sort-of is already though
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 13, 2020 8:28:32 GMT
it seems to me that (ex-Covid), the only problem with EFL clubs is their owners, who can't resist either spending too much money on players or occasional financial dodgy dealing
it seems to me that this plan does not address the one problem
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 13, 2020 8:52:25 GMT
The PL top clubs may be playing a long game to eventually get what they want. They know the outcry regarding B teams that will come their way if they imposed that now. I think they are prepared to wait until the desperate EFL owners want more money or get themselves even deeper into a financial mess. But come 10 years it will happen if the EFL doesn’t stand up to them. I don’t know if anyone’s has see;this or if it’s been posted on here. If it has apologies. But it’s an interesting read.
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inews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-ferran-soriano-b-team-player-development-premier-league-6953597
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 13, 2020 8:52:30 GMT
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 13, 2020 9:10:40 GMT
Short term gain long term pain.
That is the worry with all this, it looks too good to be true.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 13, 2020 9:45:55 GMT
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 13, 2020 10:01:08 GMT
The PL top clubs may be playing a long game to eventually get what they want. They know the outcry regarding B teams that will come their way if they imposed that now. I think they are prepared to wait until the desperate EFL owners want more money or get themselves even deeper into a financial mess. But come 10 years it will happen if the EFL doesn’t stand up to them. I don’t know if anyone’s has see;this or if it’s been posted on here. If it has apologies. But it’s an interesting read. UTG! inews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-ferran-soriano-b-team-player-development-premier-league-6953597 Good read. So right now we do NOT have the prospect of "B" teams in the pyramid. Sounds like a bloody good reason to all get behind the deal that has been put on the table. However it would appear that My Holloway is not a fan of the proposal. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08v2zsfHis solution is for the Government to step in and "sort it all out". Well they can't. We're not a third world country (yet) where Government can change the rule of law on a whim. If the Government tries to meddle - then the Premiership/Sky legal teams would be happy to take them on. It's all very sad. Grit your teeth and back the deal. Else further down the road, and with the EFL still hemorrhaging cash - the Premiersh*t offer of help may only come with the introduction of B teams. Give it another year, and a dozen or so EFL Clubs gone to the wall... no need to replace them from the National League - the Premiership B teams will come to the rescue.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 13, 2020 11:19:59 GMT
Yes, epping, a fair interpretation. The whole situation is a complete dilemma. No real answers that will satisfy everyone. I’m totally against the PL subbing the EFL like a benevolent godfather. EFL clubs should have cut their cloth accordingly some time ago but they didn’t and that boat has sailed I’m afraid. Many Championship clubs are a complete mess, whilst others are funded by rich owners whose patience, in the current climate must be wearing thin. I’ve no answers but whatever the solution is, the integrity and independence of the EFL must be paramount unless the proposal was extended to make PL2, PL3 and PL4 and let the FA deal with the non league game. The proposals “look” ok and your interpretation may be correct epping, on the surface. Rightly or wrongly I have no trust in the intentions of the owners of the big 6. Only Daniel Levy at Spurs is a British owner, the rest are foreign who care not a jot for the EFL. They run businesses and will see this all in terms of financial profit and will be prepared to wait years for the right opportunity. As you say several of the proposals seem attractive, esp the ending of parachute payments which I presume will be the means of funding the whole EFL. That would mean the remaining PL clubs will not lose out at all. Very clever of the top clubs who will never get relegated, throw the yo-yo clubs out and use their parachute funding for the EFL. So I suppose those 10-12 clubs who could be classified as yo-yo are the main losers in this. And the % of TV deals that the PL negotiate gets given to the EFL. Again, clever as they seem to be able to negotiate better deals, obviously, than the EFL. They do look attractive but the elephant in the room remains the B club scenario. A complete dilemma.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 14, 2020 8:14:26 GMT
So it seems an over-whelming majority of the EFL are generally backing the proposals. IF (and it's a big if) they take out "Nine clubs given 'special voting rights' on certain issues, based on their extended runs in the Premier League". Then I really don't see any major problem with the proposal at all. Shame about the Community Shield. That's not really a deal-breaker though. Lose the EFL Cup - small price to pay IMHO. The problem will be getting 10-12 PL Clubs voting for it when they: 1. lose 2 home games revenue, 2. have a greater danger of relegation, 3. will be parting with some of "their" money to help bail out the EFL. Turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas. So someone will have to come up with a bribe or backhander. Apologies, sweetener.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 14, 2020 8:19:49 GMT
So someone will have to come up with a bribe or backhander. Apologies, sweetener. well, it is football old chap. Can't see it as being all that mold-breaking, can you?
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 14, 2020 11:30:34 GMT
I’m not holding these bodies up as paragons of the game but the government don’t like the proposals, the PL doesn’t like them, the “turkeys” don’t like them, even West Ham, one of the nine, don’t like them and they are not universally liked by the clubs in League 1 or League 2. And the FA actually walked out of the talks when they realised that they were a scheme for the richest clubs to become richer. Not so good then. So far Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea have endorsed them and perhaps a majority of League clubs seem to like them. That it was a scheme hatched in the USA by two clubs with American owners make me very suspicious. Man U fans don’t trust the Glazers, why should the rest of us?
I don’t know if ampg is being sarcastic or serious when he says that it “isn’t opportunistic timing but a sensible strategic plan”. A sensible strategic plan for whom? The top clubs perhaps certainly not for the EFL clubs. I’ll go with laughing gas, “it looks too good to be true.” If something looks too good to be true then it usually is. There will be a price to be paid, perhaps not now but sometime in the future.
Having said all that, the current situation is such that a majority of the clubs in the EFL are in an awful mess and if this proposal comes to fruition they will see it positively. They may have no option. I’ve no answers but I’ll pencil the fixture Bristol Rovers FC v Arsenal B team into my diary for 2028. Or even worse, Bristol Rovers FC v Bristol City B.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 14, 2020 14:44:28 GMT
I don’t know if ampg is being sarcastic or serious when he says that it “isn’t opportunistic timing but a sensible strategic plan” 100% sarcastic the timing is not coincidental IMO
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 14, 2020 14:47:28 GMT
I think they want to create Premier Premier League, teams from which will compete in the European League, and maybe little else
I think I understand why. It's the same reasons the Glazers bought ManUre - it's due to their passion for the game (sarcasm again - I know, it's not clever)
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 14, 2020 15:11:16 GMT
I don’t know if ampg is being sarcastic or serious when he says that it “isn’t opportunistic timing but a sensible strategic plan” 100% sarcastic the timing is not coincidental IMO Thanks. I thought it was but didn’t want to presume! And of course you’re absolutely right, imo of course. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 16:33:06 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good.
I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72.
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Post by basel on Oct 14, 2020 18:06:03 GMT
Rejected out of hand. Good. I agree that something needs to be done urgently to shore up the Football League. But there is already enough money in the game to do that without having to cede an inch in terms of the integrity of the 72. Hear hear!
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