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Post by eppinggas on Oct 12, 2020 9:47:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54502459People have been calling for reform and a better distribution of wealth in football. As a starting point - surely this looks like a step in the right direction? When the premier league was reduced to 20 teams in 1995, the price paid was bribing the relegation-threatened Clubs with the potential of a parachute payment. So sadly something similar will probably have to be introduced to get the league down to 18 with Clubs "approval". A suggestion that this in some way leads to a European "Super League" is IMHO, boll*cks. Edit: In 94-95 season 4 Clubs were relegated from the premiership and only 2 Clubs promoted from the First Division. I had completely forgotten. In my defence I was probably completely obsessed with Bristol Rovers last great chance of promotion to tier 2. Wembley. Huddersfield. Gareth Taylor. That miss.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 12, 2020 9:52:51 GMT
The Champions League is due for expansion, which is why Liverpool and Man Utd are interested. That extra money and money from tours will see them alright.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 9:55:03 GMT
It looks like the beginning of the end to me. Pulling up the drawbridge. f**k off with it.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 12, 2020 9:57:09 GMT
The Champions League is due for expansion, which is why Liverpool and Man Utd are interested. That extra money and money from tours will see them alright. Maybe that's the 'price' we pay to see a better distribution of TV money? The EFL is f*cked. They need the money one way or another, else we will see Clubs going to the wall. Lots of them.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 12, 2020 10:00:16 GMT
It looks like the beginning of the end to me. Pulling up the drawbridge. f off with it. Have you seen a 'better' plan? Is there another 'plan'? The Premiership would appear to be not forthcoming with one. They've had since May... Seriously - do you have any suggestions about how the EFL can access some of the wealth created at the top?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 12, 2020 10:10:14 GMT
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Post by basel on Oct 12, 2020 10:15:13 GMT
The disgusting EFL Trophy showed us fans will only take so much.
I'm against this 'big 6' power grab.
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Post by basel on Oct 12, 2020 10:16:36 GMT
It looks like the beginning of the end to me. Pulling up the drawbridge. f off with it. Have you seen a 'better' plan? Is there another 'plan'? The Premiership would appear to be not forthcoming with one. They've had since May... Seriously - do you have any suggestions about how the EFL can access some of the wealth created at the top? Let's hope the majority of Premier clubs fight this power grab with all their might.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 10:40:17 GMT
It looks like the beginning of the end to me. Pulling up the drawbridge. f off with it. Have you seen a 'better' plan? Is there another 'plan'? The Premiership would appear to be not forthcoming with one. They've had since May... Seriously - do you have any suggestions about how the EFL can access some of the wealth created at the top? a one off lump sum in return for a greatly reduced opportunity to reach the top table is not a plan. It's a sneak attack.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 11:18:14 GMT
Read as far as a Guardian columnist saying that something is 'sound', that means that it's batsh1t crazy and the finances of the plan are completely irrational and will end in total chaos. So it gets a huge thumbs down from me.
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Post by Rex on Oct 12, 2020 11:31:06 GMT
It looks like the beginning of the end to me. Pulling up the drawbridge. f off with it. For a while now I have thought I would just prefer if they just f**ked off and went their own way. Give them the closed shop they want with no relegation and be done with it. I think there is still an appetite for lower league football in this country , I think fans would support it, and a closed Premier League would at least stop some clubs gambling with their futures to get there.
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Post by basel on Oct 12, 2020 11:38:42 GMT
They are after being able to loan out 15 players a club, I think.Effectively using the EFL as their reserve clubs.
Maybe EFL clubs could refuse loan deals from Prem clubs?
Just how much do the owners of these 'big 6' care about our pyramid system and traditional strong lower divisions?
I doubt Americans or the Arabs give a toss.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 12:17:25 GMT
They are after being able to loan out 15 players a club, I think.Effectively using the EFL as their reserve clubs. Maybe EFL clubs could refuse loan deals from Prem clubs? Just how much do the owners of these 'big 6' care about our pyramid system and traditional strong lower divisions? I doubt Americans or the Arabs give a toss. Give The Glaziers or Kroenke a map of Britain and ask them to show you where Gillingham, Doncaster, Crewe, Rochdale, or even Bristol are. Good luck.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 12, 2020 13:14:46 GMT
Wonder what 25% of TV monies means? This going to include all platforms, Amazon, Netflix, in-house etc etc?
I can see this will be one for the lawyers!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 12, 2020 13:24:42 GMT
Very balanced and well put together. A very rare moment, I am in agreement with a Guardian article. But from the few comments here - looks like I'm in a minority. Yes, it places more power and money in the hands of the "big 6". But a desperately needed £250mil one-off payment to the EFL and 25% of future TV revenue... is a price worth paying IMHO. Plus they rid the game of parachute payments, which pretty much everyone in the EFL is against. Plus if the porn brothers and Brady at Wet Spam don't like it - it's very probably a great idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 13:52:21 GMT
Very balanced and well put together. A very rare moment, I am in agreement with a Guardian article. But from the few comments here - looks like I'm in a minority. Yes, it places more power and money in the hands of the "big 6". But a desperately needed £250mil one-off payment to the EFL and 25% of future TV revenue... is a price worth paying IMHO. Plus they rid the game of parachute payments, which pretty much everyone in the EFL is against. Plus if the porn brothers and Brady at Wet Spam don't like it - it's very probably a great idea. The thing is, something has to be done. The EFL is not sustainable as it stands, even before Covid disrupted everything. I also feel a sense of disquiet over these proposals, but what is the alternative, I do not see or hear any proposal being put forward. Unless of course the proposal is to stay as we are....like Bristol Rovers, losing over £1M every year. How does that work?
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Post by syg on Oct 12, 2020 13:57:24 GMT
This is heading in one direction... No relegation and promotion to the premiership, probably integrated with the top euro teams, in a league which is really a limited cup competition.
Good riddance, the plebs can sit at home watching on TV and the rest can support their local clubs.
What would be funny is if the Chinese league takes off and the chinese interest in our football fades away, and the viewing/advertising goes bang.
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Post by stargas on Oct 12, 2020 14:36:45 GMT
A journalist guest on Sky Sports News yesterday made the very valid point that ALL future voting rights (all hidden in the small print) would be held by the big six (or nine), so while the current offer looks amazingly tempting, (too good to be true???) in the future there would be nothing stopping the big six (or nine) from voting in favour of pulling the rug out from under every other club in the EPL AND EFL. They could literally vote in favour of ANYTHING they (meaning their billionaire owners) desire.
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Post by jets4 on Oct 12, 2020 17:08:40 GMT
250m between 72 clubs, Its not very much, is it ?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 17:20:37 GMT
I read this in 1994: Out of time by Alex Flynn. books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ch3vAAAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versionsFor me, an excellent contemporary read. Once the Premiership was formed, it was obvious ring-fencing funds from sponsorship and television rights would create it's own empire. I rarely watched Premiership after it's conception. I have attended out of pure curiosity two separate teams' matches, and felt less than enamoured with the paraphernalia surrounding the matchday experience. But that's just me. Others may love it. Reform should be treated with caution and suspicion.
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