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Post by salecheshiregas on Aug 13, 2014 23:30:30 GMT
That was awful....first goal 3 defenders in treacle. Second goal - shot was going wide and keeper pulled it back!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:13:48 GMT
spare a thought for the keeper he came in at short notice,played ok but made a mistake that cost,just think we shouldnt be too hard on him thats all
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Post by GasMacc1 on Aug 14, 2014 7:42:23 GMT
Is that Lockyer having a shocker and playing Akinde on for the first goal? The clip doesn't show the positions of Akinde and Lockyer when the ball was played. It's even possible that Akinde was in his own half when the ball was played, as he had certainly picked up a head of steam by the time he comes into view. I think Lockyer, as left back, could see Akinde's move and initially went back to cover him, but then (correctly) passed him onto the two central defenders as Akinde's movement was over to the opposite wing from Lockyer. The lack of pace of the two central defenders is a clear weakness, though, and must be addressed if we are to avoid conceding more goals like that.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Aug 14, 2014 7:54:59 GMT
Looking at it again, it's clear that Trotman attempted to play Akinde offside, but Lockyer was not expecting him to do that.
I wonder if that's anything to do with the fact that they had never played a competitive game together before? They certainly seemed to be discussing it on the way back to the re-start!
I think the generally accepted practice is that the full back should make the call on springing a trap, as he can see all across the line.
Trotman might have been able to cut Akinde off if he hadn't lost a second by moving forward, then having to turn back. Trotman hasn't got pace, but gave himself no chance by giving Akinde a head start.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 14, 2014 8:38:02 GMT
Looking at it again, it's clear that Trotman attempted to play Akinde offside, but Lockyer was not expecting him to do that. I wonder if that's anything to do with the fact that they had never played a competitive game together before? They certainly seemed to be discussing it on the way back to the re-start! I think the generally accepted practice is that the full back should make the call on springing a trap, as he can see all across the line. Trotman might have been able to cut Akinde off if he hadn't lost a second by moving forward, then having to turn back. Trotman hasn't got pace, but gave himself no chance by giving Akinde a head start. This. It's not the attackers cross that lead to the first goal, when attacking you have the right to lose the ball occasionally, if you don't take risks (which sometimes end in a cock-up) then you will never score goals. The defence was in good position, the midfield was in good position, what caused the goal was one player trying to push forward to play the lone forward offside, the other not being aware of this and most of all, 2 players not communicating with each other. The second goal was a reasonable strike that will happen sometimes, a bit of dodgy keeping (parry it wide, man!) and a defender not getting goal side of his man once the shot has been made. 2 individual defensive cock-ups, not following basic rules of defending - talk; and when the ball is going behind you, get goal-side.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 14, 2014 9:07:32 GMT
Were we ever told why Pakes did not start?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 14, 2014 9:57:24 GMT
DC stamping his mark on the team? That was the bollocks sprouted by some last time he dropped Parkes
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Aug 14, 2014 10:02:17 GMT
Were we ever told why Pakes did not start? No and it was a bloody awful decision to drop him. The guy has come back trim, slim and was solid against Grimsby. Absolutely baffling decision not to start him.
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Post by corfugas on Aug 14, 2014 10:13:12 GMT
Were we ever told why Pakes did not start? Not directly, but DC has said several times that he doesn't like playing 2 left footed centre halves together as it unbalances the side. My guess is that next time he'll play Parkes and drop Mac.
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Post by ashperry83 on Aug 14, 2014 10:23:48 GMT
Looking at it again, it's clear that Trotman attempted to play Akinde offside, but Lockyer was not expecting him to do that. I wonder if that's anything to do with the fact that they had never played a competitive game together before? They certainly seemed to be discussing it on the way back to the re-start! I think the generally accepted practice is that the full back should make the call on springing a trap, as he can see all across the line. Trotman might have been able to cut Akinde off if he hadn't lost a second by moving forward, then having to turn back. Trotman hasn't got pace, but gave himself no chance by giving Akinde a head start. This. It's not the attackers cross that lead to the first goal, when attacking you have the right to lose the ball occasionally, if you don't take risks (which sometimes end in a cock-up) then you will never score goals. The defence was in good position, the midfield was in good position, what caused the goal was one player trying to push forward to play the lone forward offside, the other not being aware of this and most of all, 2 players not communicating with each other. The second goal was a reasonable strike that will happen sometimes, a bit of dodgy keeping (parry it wide, man!) and a defender not getting goal side of his man once the shot has been made. 2 individual defensive cock-ups, not following basic rules of defending - talk; and when the ball is going behind you, get goal-side. I see McChrystal and Trotman (both CB by trade) stepping up correctly to play offside and Lockyer, having no idea how to read the play. The kid is a cracking player, really like watching him. But playing him as part of a back 3 will utterly destroy him. He should be sat just in front of the defence mopping up and laying the ball off. He is superb as a deep lying midfielder.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Aug 14, 2014 10:35:54 GMT
Were we ever told why Pakes did not start? Not directly, but DC has said several times that he doesn't like playing 2 left footed centre halves together as it unbalances the side. My guess is that next time he'll play Parkes and drop Mac. The thing is, last season we had the 12th best defence in league 2 with Parkes and McCrystal playing the majority of the season. I refuse to accept that having a weaker foot is a big enough reason to be dropped, especially when it is in a league below. We got a clean sheet on the weekend with both of them playing as well. It just does not add up and DC really dropped a clanger with that one. Play both McCrystal and Parkes. They are there to defend. Let them get on with it.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 14, 2014 10:37:15 GMT
This. It's not the attackers cross that lead to the first goal, when attacking you have the right to lose the ball occasionally, if you don't take risks (which sometimes end in a cock-up) then you will never score goals. The defence was in good position, the midfield was in good position, what caused the goal was one player trying to push forward to play the lone forward offside, the other not being aware of this and most of all, 2 players not communicating with each other. The second goal was a reasonable strike that will happen sometimes, a bit of dodgy keeping (parry it wide, man!) and a defender not getting goal side of his man once the shot has been made. 2 individual defensive cock-ups, not following basic rules of defending - talk; and when the ball is going behind you, get goal-side. I see McChrystal and Trotman (both CB by trade) stepping up correctly to play offside and Lockyer, having no idea how to read the play. The kid is a cracking player, really like watching him. But playing him as part of a back 3 will utterly destroy him. He should be sat just in front of the defence mopping up and laying the ball off. He is superb as a deep lying midfielder. I don't think it will destroy him, I think he's a good enough all round player that he will adapt with a bit of time. I agree that defensive mid is probably his best position at the moment, but I worry that some of the smaller clubs will drop off when he has possession, making him try to force a pass to tightly marked forwards, which is not when he is at his best.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 14, 2014 10:38:57 GMT
I still find it incredible that there was a need to change the back line after keeping a clean sheet in the previous game. I know a couple were absent which gives even more reason not to drop anyone else. Whats the difference between having two left footed CB's playing together compared to the thousands of teams who play with two right footed ones?
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Post by ashperry83 on Aug 14, 2014 10:47:02 GMT
I still find it incredible that there was a need to change the back line after keeping a clean sheet in the previous game. I know a couple were absent which gives even more reason not to drop anyone else. Whats the difference between having two left footed CB's playing together compared to the thousands of teams who play with two right footed ones? Ad there in lies the problem. We are bedding in Lockyer to CB, spends pre season with McChrystal and Parkes working on this. We keep a solid clean sheep. Then we have to replace Mildy so the tinker man decides to drop two members of the defence with a new keeper. awful management.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 14, 2014 13:06:57 GMT
Were we ever told why Pakes did not start? Not directly, but DC has said several times that he doesn't like playing 2 left footed centre halves together as it unbalances the side. My guess is that next time he'll play Parkes and drop Mac. But he's happy to stick a right footed player out on the left of midfield where being left footed .at actually be important?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2014 13:19:16 GMT
I still find it incredible that there was a need to change the back line after keeping a clean sheet in the previous game. I know a couple were absent which gives even more reason not to drop anyone else. Whats the difference between having two left footed CB's playing together compared to the thousands of teams who play with two right footed ones? Ad there in lies the problem. We are bedding in Lockyer to CB, spends pre season with McChrystal and Parkes working on this. We keep a solid clean sheep. Then we have to replace Mildy so the tinker man decides to drop two members of the defence with a new keeper. awful management. Yeah, he couldn't resist changing stuff last season when all we really needed to save ourselves was a bit of consistency and digging in for a few ugly draws. Instead he seemed to want to transform us overnight into a Rinus Michels-like total football machine. Then, as you say, the Parkes McChristal Lockyer partnership is probably the best and most reliable thing about our team, atm, and after one game and a clean sheet, he rips it up. I don't understand it. I can see the advantage of a successful team being adaptable and having a plan B & C, but really we need to walk before we can run, and get the basics right before we aspire to liquid football.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 15, 2014 6:53:03 GMT
Very poor anyone know what the away following total was can't find it anywhere 663 apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 0:41:21 GMT
if he played the same team and lost people on here would have said why on earth didnt he rest players? he had to leave brunt out and play 2 small guys to look after him. trotman was at fault for the 1st goal as totally on his own he pushed up leaving akinde[who is fast] a clear run on goal,lockyear couldnt get across quick enough to cover for this unexpected event and mcchrystal was in the left back position covering for brown..you only push on towards the half way line when you play the ball forward to compress the space the opposition have to play in not when your opponents have possession,,,trotman had a difficult debut but im hoping he will bounce back
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Aug 16, 2014 11:32:48 GMT
if he played the same team and lost people on here would have said why on earth didnt he rest players? he had to leave brunt out and play 2 small guys to look after him. trotman was at fault for the 1st goal as totally on his own he pushed up leaving akinde[who is fast] a clear run on goal,lockyear couldnt get across quick enough to cover for this unexpected event and mcchrystal was in the left back position covering for brown..you only push on towards the half way line when you play the ball forward to compress the space the opposition have to play in not when your opponents have possession,,,trotman had a difficult debut but im hoping he will bounce back This is exactly the case and Lockyer was furious with Trotman who stepped up unexpectedly. I am sure they will sort that out very quickly, Trotnan not playing in pre-season was the real issue.
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