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Post by Rex on Sept 26, 2020 17:47:48 GMT
I was at that one with my son , He is 23 now, he must have been quite young then. people were streaming out and he wanted to go , but I told him we stay to the end. A few weeks later I walked out when the 4th when it at Yeovil with my son trailing behind me saying 'I thought we stayed to the end dad!' On the way back from Doncaster we saw the team at the services. Paul Tait saw my sons colours and took him on the team coach and got him some signatures. Ray Graydon was on the coach but half the team were missing, so he took our address and the following week we we sent a scarf a signed poster and a personal letter from Ray Graydon. From then on Paul Tait was my son's favourite player and he wouldn't hear a word against Graydon! That's a great story. It was 2003, Rex. I think it was Lewis Haldane's debut, or very near to it. He came on when we were 4-0 down, and scored almost immediately. I remember a whole load of Gasheads heading for the pubs at half-time. Me and Mrs. darlo stayed until the bitter end. On the way out, a couple of Donny fans invited us into their club for a few beers. I have a feeling that was their last season at Belle Vue. Ray Graydon was a great player, absolutely refused to talk about refereeing decisions after games (if only there were more like that) and also recognised the importance of young supporters. Shame he was such a terrible manager for us really! Mind you , we have had worse since 
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Sept 26, 2020 17:59:46 GMT
Some neat,promising football at times, no over use of the long ball, but four more goals conceded speaks for itself. Irritated by the constant,unnecessary free kicks given away again 30-40 yards out, particularly by Eimar in the first half. It was the same last week, particularly pointless, when we look so poor defending set pieces. Kilgore has looked uncomfortable, both in and out of possession. It was alarming the way Doncaster sliced through mid field so easily, can’t see what Grant brings to the team so far. Mitchell- Lawson was anonymous, but Hanlon battled well, and showed good control. Doncaster always looked capable of scoring, we didn’t. Garner hasn’t helped himself with the Radio Bristol post match interview, and is lucky there are no crowds to face up to.
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 26, 2020 18:53:01 GMT
I decided not to get up for this one, seems like it was a good call.
On the positive side and from what's been said on here it sounds like there were some individual improvements but BGs appalling record continues.
Relegation is a nailed on certainty at this rate, so change of some sort is needed.
BG clearly is struggling in the role, that's bad for us and it's equally bad for him.
Either a hard decision must be made by Wael or BG himself or a wiser head brought in to help him in the ways of managing a professional football team.
This cannot continue.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 19:20:31 GMT
Garner makes excuses,'decisions going against us'. The refs fault we lost? Blaming the ref!We need refs to be better.Etc. The whole post match interview is complaining about todays ref and the Sunderland game ref gets a mention. Oh he says we had "good spells in the game",but we "have to do better". 'Lacking fight late in game' 'We can access,improve'. Ref bad decisions. Etc... That's my mind made up for me. Whingeing managers complaining about refs and blaming them for defeats can f right off. your not hiring Alex Ferguson then? ☹️
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 26, 2020 19:21:13 GMT
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Post by basel on Sept 26, 2020 19:22:15 GMT
It’s hard arguing against people when you respect their opinions so much, and can see their point of view. But so early into this season there are other considerations still in play too. I won’t come over Trump and say there is a silent majority opposed to sacking him, but there is likely a lot of fans, including the Chairman, who don’t add what happened last season to what has so far happened this season, Ben coming in halfway through, with remit to play a different style, unfortunately taking compassionate leave, and the covid curtailing the season. And then a close season when the squad was transformed, more youthful now, though clearly some talent and potential. All those calling for the sack today, if you had reset the counter to the start between seasons, would you still be calling for the sack today? That's pure distraction. We can't ignore the fact that he took a winning team, with a winning mentality and destroyed it. It's like saying that a bricklayer built half of your house badly 12 months ago, but you are going to pretend that it didn't happen and only judge him on the fact that so far this year he's laid 6 courses of bricks, and none of them are laid straight or level but it's still OK to allow him to carry on. In boxing terms, Ben is Jimmy Smith, he's seen other people do it, he's read a book, so how hard can it be? Here's Jimmy in action; Back to shadow boxing Jimmy. Shadows don't hit back. 🙂
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 19:22:33 GMT
It’s hard arguing against people when you respect their opinions so much, and can see their point of view. But so early into this season there are other considerations still in play too. I won’t come over Trump and say there is a silent majority opposed to sacking him, but there is likely a lot of fans, including the Chairman, who don’t add what happened last season to what has so far happened this season, Ben coming in halfway through, with remit to play a different style, unfortunately taking compassionate leave, and the covid curtailing the season. And then a close season when the squad was transformed, more youthful now, though clearly some talent and potential. All those calling for the sack today, if you had reset the counter to the start between seasons, would you still be calling for the sack today? Garner is absolutely f**king sh*te. End of. I sense you’re not happy this evening. or probably not any Saturday evening in 2020
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 19:26:53 GMT
It’s hard arguing against people when you respect their opinions so much, and can see their point of view. But so early into this season there are other considerations still in play too. I won’t come over Trump and say there is a silent majority opposed to sacking him, but there is likely a lot of fans, including the Chairman, who don’t add what happened last season to what has so far happened this season, Ben coming in halfway through, with remit to play a different style, unfortunately taking compassionate leave, and the covid curtailing the season. And then a close season when the squad was transformed, more youthful now, though clearly some talent and potential. All those calling for the sack today, if you had reset the counter to the start between seasons, would you still be calling for the sack today? That's pure distraction. We can't ignore the fact that he took a winning team, with a winning mentality and destroyed it. It's like saying that a bricklayer built half of your house badly 12 months ago, but you are going to pretend that it didn't happen and only judge him on the fact that so far this year he's laid 6 courses of bricks, and none of them are laid straight or level but it's still OK to allow him to carry on. In boxing terms, Ben is Jimmy Smith, he's seen other people do it, he's read a book, so how hard can it be? Here's Jimmy in action; you have hit the nail on the head Groiny. This is the pivotal question: include last season in the reckoning, before he was given a new squad, or not. if Garner had only been manager since August, I would be surprised if anyone would be squealing for the sack tonight, if every performance and result since Boxing Day is in the consideration, there isn’t much argument to give him much more time. Even if we remember last season in the assessment, there is still some argument to give him more time, it’s been a tough run of fixtures, a lot of personnel changes to the starting 11 between seasons. Obviously it can’t go on like this, conceding soft goals means you need to score more good goals to win games, we currently look very much more likely to fail to score in a match than fail to concede. Having said that, Hanlon does impress me and I am pleased he is here, I’m right behind him despite lack of goals whilst he settles in. As we see more of it, do we wonder if, despite talented Young players, it’s the fact so many are inexperienced that is impacting results. Can you fashion a good team from the most talented young players out of other teams, or does it only work when inexperienced players are blended with experienced players. Hard one to sum up today, because all the improvements we have been asking for they did deliver improvement today, passing, ball retention, off ball movement, shape, press and turnover. Despite having shipped two soft goals, the way we were playing at 2.1 I still fancied us. And that’s actually a promising thing to say really, considering the score line. Maybe a 4 4 2 is better for the squad we have. It means one of the 3 centre backs is benched rather than played at full back, likewise we have a glut of wide forwards where only four would be involved. But it will give us wide players working in tandem with full back, and best of all give us 2 up top for more cutting edge.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 26, 2020 19:36:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 20:04:16 GMT
That's pure distraction. We can't ignore the fact that he took a winning team, with a winning mentality and destroyed it. It's like saying that a bricklayer built half of your house badly 12 months ago, but you are going to pretend that it didn't happen and only judge him on the fact that so far this year he's laid 6 courses of bricks, and none of them are laid straight or level but it's still OK to allow him to carry on. In boxing terms, Ben is Jimmy Smith, he's seen other people do it, he's read a book, so how hard can it be? Here's Jimmy in action; you have hit the nail on the head Groiny. This is the pivotal question: include last season in the reckoning, before he was given a new squad, or not. if Garner had only been manager since August, I would be surprised if anyone would be squealing for the sack tonight, if every performance and result since Boxing Day is in the consideration, there isn’t much argument to give him much more time. Even if we remember last season in the assessment, there is still some argument to give him more time, it’s been a tough run of fixtures, a lot of personnel changes to the starting 11 between seasons. Obviously it can’t go on like this, conceding soft goals means you need to score more good goals to win games, we currently look very much more likely to fail to score in a match than fail to concede. Having said that, Hanlon does impress me and I am pleased he is here, I’m right behind him despite lack of goals whilst he settles in. As we see more of it, do we wonder if, despite talented Young players, it’s the fact so many are inexperienced that is impacting results. Can you fashion a good team from the most talented young players out of other teams, or does it only work when inexperienced players are blended with experienced players. Hard one to sum up today, because all the improvements we have been asking for they did deliver improvement today, passing, ball retention, off ball movement, shape, press and turnover. Despite having shipped two soft goals, the way we were playing at 2.1 I still fancied us. And that’s actually a promising thing to say really, considering the score line. Maybe a 4 4 2 is better for the squad we have. It means one of the 3 centre backs is benched rather than played at full back, likewise we have a glut of wide forwards where only four would be involved. But it will give us wide players working in tandem with full back, and best of all give us 2 up top for more cutting edge. Can't argue with you player / tactical assessment, but I suspect that every player here has already heard enough from Ben to work out that he has zero idea how to deal with actual match situations, so they've probably all stopped listening to him already. That short YouTube video of Jimmy whateverhisnamewas getting sparked out, it was partly humour and partly about his opponent looking at him obviously being clueless, taking a step back and then just whacking him on the chin. That's what almost every opponent has done to Rovers since Ben arrived. I didn't watch today's game, so don't know if we were actually in the game, but the exact same thing keeps happening, so my gut feeling is that we probably weren't in that much danger of coming home with any points, But there may be another problem with getting rid of him. If you sack your manager 3 League and 5 competitive games into the season based on form, it's hardly a great advert for the way the club is run and could well hamper recruitment?
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Post by Igitur on Sept 26, 2020 20:32:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 20:47:14 GMT
You can see enough from those ''highlights'' to see that we are a total shambles.
Garner just has to go.
What on earth was going on with that first piece of action? Our keeper clears the ball, before it's bounced we pass it back from the halfway line to one of their attackers That's park football.
Summed up by players arguing with each other at the end. That's been a theme since Loser Boy landed, nobody has a clue who is supposed to be doing what, it causes frustration and leads to players at each other's throats.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 26, 2020 20:59:25 GMT
Basel, he’s been under pressure since January and the results haven’t improved. It’s hard to distinguish between our manager finding it very difficult to conjure results and the squad at the present time looking a tad stronger squad than last season (save for JCHs absence). The defence hasn't looked too bad in the last two matches despite the pressure they’ve been under. I’ll go for a 1-1, Doncaster aren’t as good as Ipswich or Sunderland. Fingers crossed! UTG! Ah,but I suspect the pressure is now getting to him.I think this and last seasons squads were pretty good. GC made his squad work.We were challenging. BG sadly,has achieved quality on the training ground,but as yet,has failed on the 3rd tier field of play. For this game my prediction is based on what's gone on,what I've seen.Rather than hoping what occasionally threatens to blossom, actually blooms. It certainly looked like the pressure got to him today! I was wrong score-wise again, but we should have been level at HT but individual errors made it worse. The pressure will be greater at the next match. And so on for the game after. Some poor decisions second half imo. UTG!
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Post by gasheadpirate on Sept 26, 2020 21:06:47 GMT
Ok, one goal should not have been given for the push in the back but come on Ben, the other three goals were poor defensively. What exactly are the defensive coaches doing? We look clueless at the back. Seven goals in three games tells a story. This is going to be a long and painful season.
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Post by alloutofgas on Sept 26, 2020 21:28:58 GMT
Garner is absolutely f**king sh*te. End of. I sense you’re not happy this evening. or probably not any Saturday evening in 2020 The whole sorry saga is of no surprise to me. After the first couple of games I posted somewhere we have another Dobson on our hands. This fool has surpassed Dobson by a country mile. The Precocious One will hide behind his disastrous appointment hoping no one will notice. Al Qadi has extinguished any passion I had left for my club.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 21:42:46 GMT
you have hit the nail on the head Groiny. This is the pivotal question: include last season in the reckoning, before he was given a new squad, or not. if Garner had only been manager since August, I would be surprised if anyone would be squealing for the sack tonight, if every performance and result since Boxing Day is in the consideration, there isn’t much argument to give him much more time. Even if we remember last season in the assessment, there is still some argument to give him more time, it’s been a tough run of fixtures, a lot of personnel changes to the starting 11 between seasons. Obviously it can’t go on like this, conceding soft goals means you need to score more good goals to win games, we currently look very much more likely to fail to score in a match than fail to concede. Having said that, Hanlon does impress me and I am pleased he is here, I’m right behind him despite lack of goals whilst he settles in. As we see more of it, do we wonder if, despite talented Young players, it’s the fact so many are inexperienced that is impacting results. Can you fashion a good team from the most talented young players out of other teams, or does it only work when inexperienced players are blended with experienced players. Hard one to sum up today, because all the improvements we have been asking for they did deliver improvement today, passing, ball retention, off ball movement, shape, press and turnover. Despite having shipped two soft goals, the way we were playing at 2.1 I still fancied us. And that’s actually a promising thing to say really, considering the score line. Maybe a 4 4 2 is better for the squad we have. It means one of the 3 centre backs is benched rather than played at full back, likewise we have a glut of wide forwards where only four would be involved. But it will give us wide players working in tandem with full back, and best of all give us 2 up top for more cutting edge. Can't argue with you player / tactical assessment, but I suspect that every player here has already heard enough from Ben to work out that he has zero idea how to deal with actual match situations, so they've probably all stopped listening to him already. That short YouTube video of Jimmy whateverhisnamewas getting sparked out, it was partly humour and partly about his opponent looking at him obviously being clueless, taking a step back and then just whacking him on the chin. That's what almost every opponent has done to Rovers since Ben arrived. I didn't watch today's game, so don't know if we were actually in the game, but the exact same thing keeps happening, so my gut feeling is that we probably weren't in that much danger of coming home with any points, But there may be another problem with getting rid of him. If you sack your manager 3 League and 5 competitive games into the season based on form, it's hardly a great advert for the way the club is run and could well hamper recruitment? I prefer this measured post to your one 15 minutes later. The highlight package is horrendous, the goals are so soft and stupid, but don’t tell the whole story. Those of us watching it did feel in the game at 2.1. The threads real-time posts reflect this. We were playing pretty well all through, punctuated by those nonsense goals. None of them came from any spells of pressure that makes it feel likely you are going to concede any moment, like what Ipswich done to us last quarter last week. At 2.1 we had couple of decent chances to complete comeback from two down. there is a pattern I concede, for 70 minutes last week and for much of this week the actual game play was pretty even, but that, as your metaphor pointed out, means zilch if you are a boxer with a glass chin.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 21:45:24 GMT
Did the two commentators clarify our scorer? They said Leahy. Made jokes throughout about him being top scorer, taking top scorer off when behind. Outside of those two the rest of the world thinks it’s Daly?
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Sept 26, 2020 22:41:57 GMT
Did the two commentators clarify our scorer? They said Leahy. Made jokes throughout about him being top scorer, taking top scorer off when behind. Outside of those two the rest of the world thinks it’s Daly? The rest of the world is wrong... I couldn't see clearly from the clip who scored, but our number 17 was definitely out on the left touchline when the goal bound shot was struck so it definitely wasn't Daly. Even though the BBC says Daly scored - the writeup says "Before the hosts could settle, they were pegged back when Leahy lobbed Josef Bursik from the corner of the box after 32 minutes."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 23:02:20 GMT
Can't argue with you player / tactical assessment, but I suspect that every player here has already heard enough from Ben to work out that he has zero idea how to deal with actual match situations, so they've probably all stopped listening to him already. That short YouTube video of Jimmy whateverhisnamewas getting sparked out, it was partly humour and partly about his opponent looking at him obviously being clueless, taking a step back and then just whacking him on the chin. That's what almost every opponent has done to Rovers since Ben arrived. I didn't watch today's game, so don't know if we were actually in the game, but the exact same thing keeps happening, so my gut feeling is that we probably weren't in that much danger of coming home with any points, But there may be another problem with getting rid of him. If you sack your manager 3 League and 5 competitive games into the season based on form, it's hardly a great advert for the way the club is run and could well hamper recruitment? I prefer this measured post to your one 15 minutes later. The highlight package is horrendous, the goals are so soft and stupid, but don’t tell the whole story. Those of us watching it did feel in the game at 2.1. The threads real-time posts reflect this. We were playing pretty well all through, punctuated by those nonsense goals. None of them came from any spells of pressure that makes it feel likely you are going to concede any moment, like what Ipswich done to us last quarter last week. At 2.1 we had couple of decent chances to complete comeback from two down. there is a pattern I concede, for 70 minutes last week and for much of this week the actual game play was pretty even, but that, as your metaphor pointed out, means zilch if you are a boxer with a glass chin. Well then, maybe we can agree on this; You can defend poorly and get away with it if you are scoring loads, but if you aren't scoring too many then as a starting point you should concentrate on defending and not much else for a couple of games and build from there? Don't think we'll set up next week to 'park the bus' and hope to nick something on the break though.
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Post by Rex on Sept 26, 2020 23:18:34 GMT
That's my mind made up for me. Whingeing managers complaining about refs and blaming them for defeats can f right off. your not hiring Alex Ferguson then? ☹️
I think any managers who whinges about refs is out of order, I think in Fergusons case it was more of a tactic though (albeit it one I don't approve of). While I abhor the continual slating of refs, if Ferguson was manager at Rovers and winning more games than he lost, I'd put up with it. If Garner starts winning more games than he loses, I'll put up with it from him as well.
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