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Post by toteend3 on Sept 14, 2020 7:28:45 GMT
The greatest manager in English football History had fans calling for his head early into his United reign. Alex Ferguson at Christmas 1989 was just two points off Relegation and one game away from the sack (not a present from Santa!) Given time BG maybe prove a lot of people wrong and become a legend in his own right, lets see where we are at Xmas. UTG Attachments:
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 14, 2020 8:26:01 GMT
Nice thought. BG would have been sent packing month's ago if he was the Utd Manager, Sir Alex already had over a decade of Football Management under his belt before the Utd gig, but I do understand the spirit of your post and I hope that BG can make a name for himself in the game.
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Post by crater on Sept 14, 2020 8:35:48 GMT
Too many have already made up their minds and aren't willing to give BG a clean slate this season. Once it became fairly obvious we weren't going up or down last season, it was all about planning for this season and seeing which players suited/didn't suit the new style of play under BG. Therefore we lost some games as a result. Too many couldn't see the 'bigger picture' and what BG was attempting to put in place. I genuinely think a few want him to fail as they have been so vocal in their criticism of BG.
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Post by Rex on Sept 14, 2020 8:35:56 GMT
The greatest manager in English football History had fans calling for his head early into his United reign. Alex Ferguson at Christmas 1989 was just two points off Relegation and one game away from the sack (not a present from Santa!) Given time BG maybe prove a lot of people wrong and become a legend in his own right, lets see where we are at Xmas. UTG Ferguson did have 8 Scottish and 2 European trophies under his belt before he got to United though Oh , and then he won the FA Cup for United. Obviously BG has no trophies under his belt, but I will be more than happy to back him a bit more fully should he win us the FA Cup this year.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 14, 2020 9:16:37 GMT
The greatest manager in English football History had fans calling for his head early into his United reign. Alex Ferguson at Christmas 1989 was just two points off Relegation and one game away from the sack (not a present from Santa!) Given time BG maybe prove a lot of people wrong and become a legend in his own right, lets see where we are at Xmas. UTG He'd already been in the job 3 years by then and had no trophy and a token 2nd place to show for it.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 14, 2020 15:59:48 GMT
A genuine question to the o p.... if BG is in tenure at Xmas, will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas?
And reason for the above answer.
Legend, my @ss.. All this giving time is as useful as a Tom Nichols handbook on giving time. It's probably (generally) the same GasHeads advocating for both, yet all the time opportunity is slipping away.
2 wins in over 20 matches is historically disgraceful, and only addressed with a 'but' after it.
Get rid now. Invest in a management structure familiar with this division, preferably with promotion experience. Make the most of new encumbrance contacts and what's left of transfer window. Take the opportunity presented to us..
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 14, 2020 16:06:18 GMT
Too many have already made up their minds and aren't willing to give BG a clean slate this season. .... because, imo BG hasn't earned that level of trust and respect. Yet. You advocate giving more time, which is absolutely your privilege, but I would argue based on what? Hopefulness and the wing and prayer method. I disagree. Based on evidence so far. To bring the journey into post match Ipswich interview when you've had a month to prepare and don't start a recognised striker is evidence enough. BG adds insult to injury (unless you believe that?) and to draw parallel with Ferguson is disingenuous to say the least.
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 15, 2020 7:06:42 GMT
A genuine question to the o p.... if BG is in tenure at Xmas, will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas? And reason for the above answer. Legend, my @ss.. All this giving time is as useful as a Tom Nichols handbook on giving time. It's probably (generally) the same GasHeads advocating for both, yet all the time opportunity is slipping away. 2 wins in over 20 matches is historically disgraceful, and only addressed with a 'but' after it. Get rid now. Invest in a management structure familiar with this division, preferably with promotion experience. Make the most of new encumbrance contacts and what's left of transfer window. Take the opportunity presented to us.. A genuine Question to the o p.... if BG is in tenue at Xmas will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas? - Answer I Dont Know! A genuine Question to you.... Were you calling for DC's head early on in the Conference season?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 15, 2020 9:24:23 GMT
A genuine question to the o p.... if BG is in tenure at Xmas, will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas? And reason for the above answer. Legend, my @ss.. All this giving time is as useful as a Tom Nichols handbook on giving time. It's probably (generally) the same GasHeads advocating for both, yet all the time opportunity is slipping away. 2 wins in over 20 matches is historically disgraceful, and only addressed with a 'but' after it. Get rid now. Invest in a management structure familiar with this division, preferably with promotion experience. Make the most of new encumbrance contacts and what's left of transfer window. Take the opportunity presented to us.. A genuine Question to the o p.... if BG is in tenue at Xmas will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas? - Answer I Dont Know! A genuine Question to you.... Were you calling for DC's head early on in the Conference season? Great question... I was at Braintree. I was there. That was the first time I privately traded genuine questions on where the hell he was taking us.. But publicly, nope..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 21:08:26 GMT
A genuine Question to the o p.... if BG is in tenue at Xmas will we be above, below or exactly the same position as when he took over last Xmas? 1. You are 'the o p', my dear old fruit. 2. Below by a country mile, Interceptor.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 22, 2020 16:28:00 GMT
I don’t think any of us want him to fail but we are just seeing the same tactics that have given Ben such awful stats and us such an awful points return. I’m sure all of us hope we are wrong
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 22, 2020 16:39:41 GMT
I don’t think any of us want him to fail but we are just seeing the same tactics that have given Ben such awful stats and us such an awful points return. I’m sure all of us hope we are wrong Holy Skinless Pork Chipolata's!! 2 wins in 25 how can we be wrong!... (yep, already counted Donny as a loss).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 17:05:37 GMT
Here's the thing; if we keep doing the exact same things in every game then I would rather we lose and get this stupidity over with rather than fluke 1 win every 10 games and prolong the pain for everybody, if on the other hand Garner stops acting like a daft sod and puts away his laptop, does what other teams that win in this division do, namely, play a traditional formation and get physical, then I'm happy for him to have a clean slate.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 22, 2020 17:32:42 GMT
Alex Ferguson's record from his first 20 League games in charge of Man U -
Won 8 Drew 7 Lost 5
BG dreams of a record like that.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 22, 2020 18:26:06 GMT
Here's the thing; if we keep doing the exact same things in every game then I would rather we lose and get this stupidity over with rather than fluke 1 win every 10 games and prolong the pain for everybody, if on the other hand Garner stops acting like a daft sod and puts away his laptop, does what other teams that win in this division do, namely, play a traditional formation and get physical, then I'm happy for him to have a clean slate. That's it, isn't it? Apart from picking young players, what has BG done differently to try to change an outcome of a match? I don't even think we've had our natural share of bad luck yet either, with shots hitting post or bar, we're just not having the chances to shoot. Usually you can kind of see what he's trying to do, even if it's a tactical tweak in real game time, but I honestly haven't seen it yet. It's an unenviable position that BG appears not to act, or know how to react. At least previous managers rolled the dice a bit and sometimes it paid off.....we seem to have BG, the worst of end of John Ward days and sprinkling of McGhee to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 18:48:34 GMT
Here's the thing; if we keep doing the exact same things in every game then I would rather we lose and get this stupidity over with rather than fluke 1 win every 10 games and prolong the pain for everybody, if on the other hand Garner stops acting like a daft sod and puts away his laptop, does what other teams that win in this division do, namely, play a traditional formation and get physical, then I'm happy for him to have a clean slate. That's it, isn't it? Apart from picking young players, what has BG done differently to try to change an outcome of a match? I don't even think we've had our natural share of bad luck yet either, with shots hitting post or bar, we're just not having the chances to shoot. Usually you can kind of see what he's trying to do, even if it's a tactical tweak in real game time, but I honestly haven't seen it yet. It's an unenviable position that BG appears not to act, or know how to react. At least previous managers rolled the dice a bit and sometimes it paid off.....we seem to have BG, the worst of end of John Ward days and sprinkling of McGhee to boot. He's lost and alone, it shows, and I do feel a bit for him, but it's unlikely that he'll walk, with this record he's never working as a manager anywhere ever again, so he'll stay put and take the money for as long as he can get away with it, Wael is going to have to make the decision. Do you know, I just can't get this thought out of my head that the reason that Coughlan left is that he found out that Wael was talking to Loser Boy. Probably wrong, but it just seems to join a load of otherwise unconnected dots.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 18:51:17 GMT
Alex Ferguson's record from his first 20 League games in charge of Man U - Won 8 Drew 7 Lost 5 BG dreams of a record like that. I suspect that what he actually dreams of are other teams taking a look at us for 15 ~ 20 mins, making a couple of tactical changes then playing us off the park for the next 70 mins and him being stood by the side of the pitch, watching it, like Groundhog Day, powerless to change anything.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 22, 2020 19:51:20 GMT
Ipswich, as well as many sides in history and future of football, had their gelling together season last year before delivering promotion this year.
For us right now it’s a gelling season, whether BG is the man or is replaced, we still have to be patient.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 21:00:33 GMT
Blimey, promoted after 2 games.
As for us 'gelling' we were well and truly 'gelled' until Loser Boy arrived.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 22, 2020 23:17:12 GMT
Based on the small number of games I've seen with Benny in charge, I honestly can't see what his game plan is. The two that stick in my mind are Frankenstein FC away where we come off the back of a really inspiring away win under Coughlan and turn in a totally lacklustre performance with some clown like defending, and the horror show at home to Donny where he set us up in a 4 - 2 - 2 - 2 formation where we watched Cam Hargreaves have the piss ripped out of him and Sercs and Upson disappear. That performance makes me shudder even now. We made them look like Real Madrid and they were able to pass their way through us without even having to break sweat. I contrast that to the above mentioned Ipswich game, where we had a clear game plan, and deservedly won despite Ollie Clarke being the victim of poor refereeing. For my money this was one of (if not the) most complete and satisfying away performances I've seen in 50 years of watching the Gas
From reports on here it seems that it is more of the same, despite having signed some promising new players.
Like others on here I too hope he will turn it around but all the evidence I see says that he doesn't have a clue and is woefully out of his depth. Thinking he might be a potential legend is delusional and a triumph of hope over reality in my view. I really do fear that the only place he is going to be a legend is down at the s**t pit.
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