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Post by Rex on Sept 15, 2020 12:52:59 GMT
Indeed Rex My actual comment was along the lines of "doesn't he have the sort of face you just want to slap" (I think it was Give I was referring to) Some people, completely lost it Who is misrepresenting things now. I'll find what you actually said and post it ASAP, it was much closer to 'I would like to punch the smug expressions off of all of this cabinets' faces'. No apology for what you said earlier? Same old Oldie, throwing accusations around but never ever a retraction, correction or apology. Nothing to say about you stating that you 'presumed' (without evidence) that those pictures of those dead girls in London were taken with racist motivation? You really are an unpleasant individual It would be much better if you deleted your account and bulbous came back. I think I read before that you are teetotal. I think you should reconsider that and pour yourself a large one
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2020 12:59:03 GMT
I couldn't really make out what was going on there, but I think you may be mistaken in who I 'support'. As I have said a few times on here, I think the whole taking a knee thing -with the exception being when Colin Kaepernick did it- is posturing, irrelevant and about as effective as standing outside your front door to clap for the NHS. I may be perceived as being a bit of a leftie, but the fact is while I do tend to vote Labour -although I have voted for others- I do think Capitalism is the only practical way to run the world. I also think there is nothing wrong as such with the politics of Conservatism, but do think the particular lot in power at the moment are incompetent, corrupt and present a very real threat to the well being of the man on the street (despite the fact that so many of those men in the street vote for them!) As regards racism- most of the black people I know could not give a flying f about Colston's statue or what we call our schools or concert halls in this city. They do however care about being followed around by store detectives every time they go into town, or being pulled over by the police in their car a disproportionate amount of times and - this one tends to be the biggie- are totally exasperated when middle aged white men are described as 'says it like it is' or 'plain speaking', yet when they speak up it's apparently because they have 'attitude' or 'a chip on their shoulder'. Agree Rex. The politics get in the way sometimes. What happens, imo, is that people’s consideration of whether they are left, centrist or right wing sometimes gets in the way of dealing with issues that need dealing with. Your take on racism in your last paragraph is pretty accurate and is classic mis-direction or deflection from the real issue. The argument of “what about this...” or “they did this...” deflects the real argument and sends it off into personal arguments, tit-for-tat responses. And it happens all the time. I won’t start another thought but during the summer it was reported, online, but little in the news about how social mobility had decreased and got worse. Social mobility is so important yet it was buried under all the other news about BLM, Covid, Brexit and others. No doubt all important issues but I’d love to have heard more about what intentions there were to deal with social mobility and improve the lot of those so far behind. No chance with this lot in government. Even if they wanted to, which I dont think they do, they don’t appear to have a level of competence to affect the problem. This whole thread has descended into historical, personal arguments, which is classic mis-direction and deflection from the real injustices. The points about unconscious racism brought up by jackthegas were ignored and deflected by demands for evidence. Sometimes it’s hard to see real evidence but you know it’s there, albeit in an accumulation of anecdotal and piecemeal stuff. No wonder jackthegas decided to dip out. But thanks Rex your post brought it back to a common sense level. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:00:38 GMT
I think it should be reversed with each change of kit design. I'm glad we don't play in Newcastle's colours I think some people might get a bit overexcited about the issue. Calm down everyone, you are scaring away those who think they are visiting a Rovers forum. Mods, consider moving this s***fest to an appropriate place. Meh, if people want to get upset about reading peoples opinions , then I think they should avoid forums. Anyway, don't care whether it is blue or white over the heart. In fact, I think i am one of the few who don't give a monkey's toss about the kit as long as it is predominantly blue I like the traditional blue & white quarters, my Toffs replica being my favourite. Sadly nothing fits me anymore😂😂😂
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2020 13:04:58 GMT
Was it a racist Bulbous fool? That's quite a big fool! Always blue over the heart...nice to see the quarters around the correct way this season. Well done o2, trying to get back to the real stuff. And I like a clean, crew neck, a la 1973/74 season. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:06:57 GMT
I couldn't really make out what was going on there, but I think you may be mistaken in who I 'support'. As I have said a few times on here, I think the whole taking a knee thing -with the exception being when Colin Kaepernick did it- is posturing, irrelevant and about as effective as standing outside your front door to clap for the NHS. I may be perceived as being a bit of a leftie, but the fact is while I do tend to vote Labour -although I have voted for others- I do think Capitalism is the only practical way to run the world. I also think there is nothing wrong as such with the politics of Conservatism, but do think the particular lot in power at the moment are incompetent, corrupt and present a very real threat to the well being of the man on the street (despite the fact that so many of those men in the street vote for them!) As regards racism- most of the black people I know could not give a flying f about Colston's statue or what we call our schools or concert halls in this city. They do however care about being followed around by store detectives every time they go into town, or being pulled over by the police in their car a disproportionate amount of times and - this one tends to be the biggie- are totally exasperated when middle aged white men are described as 'says it like it is' or 'plain speaking', yet when they speak up it's apparently because they have 'attitude' or 'a chip on their shoulder'. Agree Rex. The politics get in the way sometimes. What happens, imo, is that people’s consideration of whether they are left, centrist or right wing sometimes gets in the way of dealing with issues that need dealing with. Your take on racism in your last paragraph is pretty accurate and is classic mis-direction or deflection from the real issue. The argument of “what about this...” or “they did this...” deflects the real argument and sends it off into personal arguments, tit-for-tat responses. And it happens all the time. I won’t start another thought but during the summer it was reported, online, but little in the news about how social mobility had decreased and got worse. Social mobility is so important yet it was buried under all the other news about BLM, Covid, Brexit and others. No doubt all important issues but I’d love to have heard more about what intentions there were to deal with social mobility and improve the lot of those so far behind. No chance with this lot in government. Even if they wanted to, which I dont think they do, they don’t appear to have a level of competence to affect the problem. This whole thread has descended into historical, personal arguments, which is classic mis-direction and deflection from the real injustices. The points about unconscious racism brought up by jackthegas were ignored and deflected by demands for evidence. Sometimes it’s hard to see real evidence but you know it’s there, albeit in an accumulation of anecdotal and piecemeal stuff. No wonder jackthegas decided to dip out. But thanks Rex your post brought it back to a common sense level. UTG! Indeed sir. And as you brought it up, rightly... www.gov.uk/government/news/the-long-shadow-of-deprivationCausal factor, perhaps?
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Post by Rex on Sept 15, 2020 13:17:10 GMT
Bambi, we just need you to tell us your kit preferences and then we can go back to being- reasonably- civil to each other
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:36:39 GMT
I couldn't really make out what was going on there, but I think you may be mistaken in who I 'support'. As I have said a few times on here, I think the whole taking a knee thing -with the exception being when Colin Kaepernick did it- is posturing, irrelevant and about as effective as standing outside your front door to clap for the NHS. I may be perceived as being a bit of a leftie, but the fact is while I do tend to vote Labour -although I have voted for others- I do think Capitalism is the only practical way to run the world. I also think there is nothing wrong as such with the politics of Conservatism, but do think the particular lot in power at the moment are incompetent, corrupt and present a very real threat to the well being of the man on the street (despite the fact that so many of those men in the street vote for them!) As regards racism- most of the black people I know could not give a flying f about Colston's statue or what we call our schools or concert halls in this city. They do however care about being followed around by store detectives every time they go into town, or being pulled over by the police in their car a disproportionate amount of times and - this one tends to be the biggie- are totally exasperated when middle aged white men are described as 'says it like it is' or 'plain speaking', yet when they speak up it's apparently because they have 'attitude' or 'a chip on their shoulder'. Agree Rex. The politics get in the way sometimes. What happens, imo, is that people’s consideration of whether they are left, centrist or right wing sometimes gets in the way of dealing with issues that need dealing with. Your take on racism in your last paragraph is pretty accurate and is classic mis-direction or deflection from the real issue. The argument of “what about this...” or “they did this...” deflects the real argument and sends it off into personal arguments, tit-for-tat responses. And it happens all the time. I won’t start another thought but during the summer it was reported, online, but little in the news about how social mobility had decreased and got worse. Social mobility is so important yet it was buried under all the other news about BLM, Covid, Brexit and others. No doubt all important issues but I’d love to have heard more about what intentions there were to deal with social mobility and improve the lot of those so far behind. No chance with this lot in government. Even if they wanted to, which I dont think they do, they don’t appear to have a level of competence to affect the problem. This whole thread has descended into historical, personal arguments, which is classic mis-direction and deflection from the real injustices. The points about unconscious racism brought up by jackthegas were ignored and deflected by demands for evidence. Sometimes it’s hard to see real evidence but you know it’s there, albeit in an accumulation of anecdotal and piecemeal stuff. No wonder jackthegas decided to dip out. But thanks Rex your post brought it back to a common sense level. UTG! No misdirection here. We can't fight unconscious bias, we are just ghost hunting, that's searching for thoughts that people don't even know they've had, hence me asking for evidence in how it manifests itself. Once we have that evidence we can all stand together to criticise those responsible and highlight, within the law, their wrongdoing. Do you have any actual evidence? The stuff about football coaches / managers seemed to hit a dead end as the only data came from my side, and appeared to suggest that there just weren't non-white applicants for the positions. We can discuss social mobility if you like, guess who is at the bottom of the pile in this country? Here you go, this makes for sobering reading. Sure, we can do more for everybody, but look at who is at the bottom of the pile, who has the highest suicide rate, who had a grant of £1m cash denied by an education foundation because it was requested that it was used to address specific issues, who even had a discussion in Parliament denied because the group in question didn't have any 'protected characteristics'. That sounds very much like racism to me, but yet again, not a mention on the TV or radio of it. This whole thing is a massive mess, we need to shut up the loonies on both sides, stop being afraid to tell the truth and deal with the problems on their actual merits. Enjoy; www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lost-boys-the-white-working-class-is-being-left-behind
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:38:38 GMT
Bambi, we just need you to tell us your kit preferences and then we can go back to being- reasonably- civil to each other Oh, I love that kit we used for the 1990 Wemberley LDV Cup Final. Are we buddies again? I still don't like Newco BTW, if that helps at all?
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Rex
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Post by Rex on Sept 15, 2020 13:46:30 GMT
Bambi, we just need you to tell us your kit preferences and then we can go back to being- reasonably- civil to each other Oh, I love that kit we used for the 1990 Wemberley LDV Cup Final. Are we buddies again? I still don't like Newco BTW, if that helps at all?Aww shucks, you know how to win me over every time
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:51:17 GMT
Oh, I love that kit we used for the 1990 Wemberley LDV Cup Final. Are we buddies again? I still don't like Newco BTW, if that helps at all?Aww shucks, you know how to win me over every time Have lost count, any Rangers supporters on here help me out please, will it be 10 in a row when Celtic win the SPL this season?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:51:50 GMT
Oh, I love that kit we used for the 1990 Wemberley LDV Cup Final. Are we buddies again? I still don't like Newco BTW, if that helps at all?Aww shucks, you know how to win me over every time 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:10:56 GMT
Should the blue or white quarter be over the heart? fool.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:20:28 GMT
Should the blue or white quarter be over the heart? fool. New product idea, quartered under wear?
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Post by swissgas on Sept 15, 2020 14:33:50 GMT
Basel hinted at the solution twice but nobody picked up on it.
"Got to get off to work" "Work beckons"
Once people, no matter what their race, become accustomed to doing meaningful and rewarding work they stop searching for grievances and start enjoying life.
Edit. And I hope we see Bulbous and the Doc back here soon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:51:01 GMT
I think it should be reversed with each change of kit design. I'm glad we don't play in Newcastle's colours I think some people might get a bit overexcited about the issue. Calm down everyone, you are scaring away those who think they are visiting a Rovers forum. Mods, consider moving this s***fest to an appropriate place. Meh, if people want to get upset about reading peoples opinions , then I think they should avoid forums. Anyway, don't care whether it is blue or white over the heart. In fact, I think i am one of the few who don't give a monkey's toss about the kit as long as it is predominantly blue I don't get upset reading anybody's opinion in the right place. Now, how do you do this deleted thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:52:38 GMT
Should the blue or white quarter be over the heart? fool. See You Next Tuesday
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 15, 2020 20:34:41 GMT
Someone's tired.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 20:52:29 GMT
Christ. My 'fool' aimed at the good Mr S was just for the love of irony. A joke, if you like, calling back the last time one of my favourite Gas Guzzler thinkers called another of the same a rude word when argument became row. I hope those deleting their Guzzler accounts read this still: 1. Don't let me catch you on Gaschat. 2. Come back, like me, as soon as you feel. 3. I hope it's soon, shipmates. We have to be able to disagree and to argue intelligently without upsetting each other. It's why we're on the Guzzler not Gaschat.
Edit: unless you think the quarters should be the BMW way round, with white behind the badge, or in a roundel, in which case you should delete your account forever and never darken this place again - good riddance.
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 15, 2020 21:28:30 GMT
Christ. My 'fool' aimed at the good Mr S was just for the love of irony. A joke, if you like, calling back the last time one of my favourite Gas Guzzler thinkers called another of the same a rude word when argument became row. . He'll be back next Tuesday, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 21:35:31 GMT
He'll be back next Tuesday, apparently. Lord, is 'Deleted' actually @philton? I thought it was one of those actually arguing. Why's he gone?! Don't let my joking 'fool' really be my last word to Mr S. I'm sure he would have got the joke and knows I'm one of us, really. Certainly I hope so. Sad now.
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