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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 14, 2020 15:45:23 GMT
Yea but there's no need to chuck it! Haha! You certainly waffle like them. There's nothing wrong with waffling as you can be waffly versatile.. Patronise all you like, it's a perceived free country (until peer pressure dictates what football will or will not promote politically). |
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Post by syg on Sept 14, 2020 19:00:00 GMT
These, I'm right and you're wrong debates are a trend I see happening across many social media platforms. I think it reflects the polarisation of political views across the globe. In the past the middle ground was a fertile one, these days it is shrinking rapidly leaving just binary left or right-wing views with intransigent positioning on both sides. All very sad and not good for quality discourse or democracy. It gets to a point where the discussions become predictable and boring, much like this thread. Spot on. Polarisation has been increasingly prevalent over a few years, in many forms. More people obese, more people keeping fit. More people going to uni, more people seemingly clueless about practically anything. Wealth. Income. On the conversation, debating side it hit a new high with the nastiness during the referendum and has stayed there since. I suspect its due to tech, or at least social media, people can express their views without response, they become confident in what they believe with no tete a tete. As for democracy, I don't believe its fit for purpose now for various reasons that I'm not going to express in a footie forum! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:06:19 GMT
These, I'm right and you're wrong debates are a trend I see happening across many social media platforms. I think it reflects the polarisation of political views across the globe. In the past the middle ground was a fertile one, these days it is shrinking rapidly leaving just binary left or right-wing views with intransigent positioning on both sides. All very sad and not good for quality discourse or democracy. It gets to a point where the discussions become predictable and boring, much like this thread. Spot on. Polarisation has been increasingly prevalent over a few years, in many forms. More people obese, more people keeping fit. More people going to uni, more people seemingly clueless about practically anything. Wealth. Income. On the conversation, debating side it hit a new high with the nastiness during the referendum and has stayed there since. I suspect its due to tech, or at least social media, people can express their views without response, they become confident in what they believe with no tete a tete. As for democracy, I don't believe its fit for purpose now for various reasons that I'm not going to express in a footie forum! Chicken |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:07:52 GMT
It never happens, what are they complaining about....say the apologists flip.it/1RlDC_ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:23:25 GMT
And away we go again, with this maniac's insane agenda.
How about you pop off to America and you and your Son organise a few riots on behalf of Justin Damond?
Who?
Exactly, because you never, and I mean literally never seek out actual news, only stuff that supports your disturbed view.
I'll help you out.
Ms Damond was a white Australian living in Minneapolis, she called 911 to report a disturbance and possible assault in the alley behind her home, the Police arrived, she went to see them, unarmed and dressed in her pyjamas and was shot dead by a black Police officer.
And guess what, he didn't have his body cam on at the time. Unlike the officers in the story you found so outrageous, the black officer who killed this Lady hasn't even been sacked, he's been sent home on full pay.
Guess that white life is less important to you than a black guy on the floor, biting a Police officer's hand.
Take your single link to a single story that supports your deranged view and keep it to yourself, you have nothing of any worth to offer to any debate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 21:25:17 GMT
But like with BRSC, if the will and money are there that can be changed. Very funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 0:34:28 GMT
And away we go again, with this maniac's insane agenda. How about you pop off to America and you and your Son organise a few riots on behalf of Justin Damond? Who? Exactly, because you never, and I mean literally never seek out actual news, only stuff that supports your disturbed view. I'll help you out. Ms Damond was a white Australian living in Minneapolis, she called 911 to report a disturbance and possible assault in the alley behind her home, the Police arrived, she went to see them, unarmed and dressed in her pyjamas and was shot dead by a black Police officer. And guess what, he didn't have his body cam on at the time. Unlike the officers in the story you found so outrageous, the black officer who killed this Lady hasn't even been sacked, he's been sent home on full pay. Guess that white life is less important to you than a black guy on the floor, biting a Police officer's hand. Take your single link to a single story that supports your deranged view and keep it to yourself, you have nothing of any worth to offer to any debate. or the poor soul killed in birmingham and 7 seriously injured last week
doesnt fit his agenda though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 0:35:42 GMT
good point but it comes down to a personal thing ? do i need to ;take a knee; or WANT to take a knee knowing
lovely sacha and her marching mates say or think i should ? NOT A CHANCE, ALL YOURE DOING IS PANDERING TO THE DILDOS,
As for ; it's also identified friends, family, work colleagues, fellow Gasheads, who don't want to acknowledge the problem of systematic racism in our society.; absolute tosh
Not a single person is forcing you to take a knee. No one, nada, zilch. All that’s being asked is that different opinions and viewpoints are respected. It’s not pandering to anyone. You can choose to accept that and just politely ignore it, or make a song and dance about and be a bit of an arse. Your choice. And as for Rovers fans not being political, I’m sure you will happily join me in calling for an end to the shameful ‘F*ck the City and the IRA’ nonsense. politely ignore racist fools ? you might i wont |
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 15, 2020 2:02:49 GMT
And away we go again, with this maniac's insane agenda. How about you pop off to America and you and your Son organise a few riots on behalf of Justin Damond? Who? Exactly, because you never, and I mean literally never seek out actual news, only stuff that supports your disturbed view.I'll help you out. Ms Damond was a white Australian living in Minneapolis, she called 911 to report a disturbance and possible assault in the alley behind her home, the Police arrived, she went to see them, unarmed and dressed in her pyjamas and was shot dead by a black Police officer. And guess what, he didn't have his body cam on at the time. Unlike the officers in the story you found so outrageous, the black officer who killed this Lady hasn't even been sacked, he's been sent home on full pay.Guess that white life is less important to you than a black guy on the floor, biting a Police officer's hand. Take your single link to a single story that supports your deranged view and keep it to yourself, you have nothing of any worth to offer to any debate. Except he was convicted and given 12 years in jail. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48562834"A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.
Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017." |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 15, 2020 4:08:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 5:00:59 GMT
And away we go again, with this maniac's insane agenda. How about you pop off to America and you and your Son organise a few riots on behalf of Justin Damond? Who? Exactly, because you never, and I mean literally never seek out actual news, only stuff that supports your disturbed view.I'll help you out. Ms Damond was a white Australian living in Minneapolis, she called 911 to report a disturbance and possible assault in the alley behind her home, the Police arrived, she went to see them, unarmed and dressed in her pyjamas and was shot dead by a black Police officer. And guess what, he didn't have his body cam on at the time. Unlike the officers in the story you found so outrageous, the black officer who killed this Lady hasn't even been sacked, he's been sent home on full pay.Guess that white life is less important to you than a black guy on the floor, biting a Police officer's hand. Take your single link to a single story that supports your deranged view and keep it to yourself, you have nothing of any worth to offer to any debate. Except he was convicted and given 12 years in jail. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48562834"A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.
Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017."Made me smile Facts Jeff, gets em every time. |
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Post by Global Gas on Sept 15, 2020 6:34:21 GMT
I would imagine it was termed a rally because it was showing support for someone rather than disagreeing with something. |
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Post by Rex on Sept 15, 2020 7:09:54 GMT
And away we go again, with this maniac's insane agenda. How about you pop off to America and you and your Son organise a few riots on behalf of Justin Damond? Who? Exactly, because you never, and I mean literally never seek out actual news, only stuff that supports your disturbed view.I'll help you out. Ms Damond was a white Australian living in Minneapolis, she called 911 to report a disturbance and possible assault in the alley behind her home, the Police arrived, she went to see them, unarmed and dressed in her pyjamas and was shot dead by a black Police officer. And guess what, he didn't have his body cam on at the time. Unlike the officers in the story you found so outrageous, the black officer who killed this Lady hasn't even been sacked, he's been sent home on full pay.Guess that white life is less important to you than a black guy on the floor, biting a Police officer's hand. Take your single link to a single story that supports your deranged view and keep it to yourself, you have nothing of any worth to offer to any debate. Except he was convicted and given 12 years in jail. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48562834"A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.
Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017."I'm sure Bambi will be along shortly to hold his hands up and say 'Sorry Oldie, I got that one wrong'  |
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Post by basel on Sept 15, 2020 7:21:54 GMT
I am uncomfortable with British culture being threatened because a man was allegedly murdered in the USA
On Churchills statue eg being vandalised.I think the Government should of come down hard.'No!It is not just a statue,it represents something special about us.Our history and identity'.
Or at least millions of Britons feel this way.
How about Winston Churchills
Battle of Britain speech being played just after todays BLM protest at todays fixtures?80 years anniversary today.I don't think this a good idea by the way.
The Proms episode.Bulls***ting university brain washed woke of the BBC.
Etc.
You don't have to be a raging nationalist Brit to be concerned.
This woke Left thing.It took hold of comedy decades ago.
The BBC,gone.
Pop music.Eg,the stick Morrissey has got.
Now they're manoeuvring and landing on football land.
Our game - like sport in general - ought to be a beautiful alternative to division and politics.BLM blatantly has a well dodgy extreme side.Too much.
It will only be a matter of time before another political movement wants to protest at football matches.Then more divide.
Personally I want to see black and brown history taught in schools.Eg,the fantastic series "Roots" from back in the day,(70s or 80s I think).This,as well as eg WWI and WWII. Inclusivity being vital.We have massive challenges on our integration front.It is struggling.
Having acknowledged our huge racial challenges, we are not the US.We do not need to 'kick off' because our American cousins have the disease far worse than we do.
The obsession with black American culture has in eg music been a great thing.On gun possession disgusting.
The dreaded "Feds" in Bristol.A WPC strolling along in Easton,unarmed and alone.So intimidating.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 15, 2020 7:34:39 GMT
Except he was convicted and given 12 years in jail. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48562834"A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.
Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017."Made me smile Facts Jeff, gets em every time. The fact is a person is as dead today as they will be tomorrow through tragic circumstance and we are “smiling” on here because someone did a typo and used some incorrect information. Not sure what there is to smile about really. Geez, this thread is sad, really sad. |
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 15, 2020 7:48:36 GMT
Made me smile Facts Jeff, gets em every time. The fact is a person is as dead today as they will be tomorrow through tragic circumstance and we are “smiling” on here because someone did a typo and used some incorrect information. Not sure what there is to smile about really. Geez, this thread is sad, really sad. Any death in these sort of circumstances is nothing short of tragic but I don't think for one-second oldie is smiling at the death of anyone. |
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Post by Global Gas on Sept 15, 2020 7:52:15 GMT
I am uncomfortable with British culture being threatened because a man was allegedly murdered in the USA On Churchills statue eg being vandalised.I think the Government should of come down hard.'No!It is not just a statue,it represents something special about us.Our history and identity'. Or at least millions of Britons feel this way. The Proms episode.Bulls***ting university brain washed woke of the BBC. Etc. You don't have to be a raging nationalist Brit to be concerned. This woke Left thing.It took hold of comedy decades ago. The BBC,gone. Pop music.Eg,the stick Morrissey has got. Now they're manoeuvring and landing on football land. Our game - like sport in general - ought to be a beautiful alternative to division and politics.BLM blatantly has a well dodgy extreme side.Too much. It will only be a matter of time before another political movement wants to protest at football matches.Then more divide. Personally I want to see black and brown history taught in schools.Eg,the fantastic series "Roots" from back in the day,(70s or 80s I think).This,as well as eg WWI and WWII. Inclusivity being vital.We have massive challenges on our integration front.It is struggling. Having acknowledged our huge racial challenges, we are not the US.We do not need to 'kick off' because our American cousins have the disease far worse than we do. The obsession with black American culture has in eg music been a great thing.On gun possession disgusting. The dreaded "Feds" in Bristol.A WPC strolling along in Easton,unarmed and alone.So intimidating. The thing with the BBC Proms was a complete non-issue. I have a family member that has worked on the BBC proms for the last 10 years and the first they heard about not using Rule Britannia or Hope and Glory was on the news. As mentioned earlier there are definitely forces, on both sides, trying to create a culture war. I've always found it strange that both the left and right think the BBC is bias against them. I don't think British culture is under threat but understand why people think it is. It seems that every equality movement has extreme elements that dominate media coverage. It makes you think, why? My personal thought is that if the middle class and working class aren't blaming each other for their woes then who will their united attention be turned on? Would it be the tax dodging billionaires? Is so, how would these billionaires go about keeping the heat of them? Owning media would be the easiest way. We all like to think that we form our own opinions but .... |
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Post by Rex on Sept 15, 2020 8:08:02 GMT
I am uncomfortable with British culture being threatened because a man was allegedly murdered in the USA On Churchills statue eg being vandalised.I think the Government should of come down hard.'No!It is not just a statue,it represents something special about us.Our history and identity'. Or at least millions of Britons feel this way. How about Winston Churchills Battle of Britain speech being played just after todays BLM protest at todays fixtures?80 years anniversary today.I don't think this a good idea by the way. The Proms episode.Bulls***ting university brain washed woke of the BBC. Etc. You don't have to be a raging nationalist Brit to be concerned. This woke Left thing.It took hold of comedy decades ago. The BBC,gone. Pop music.Eg,the stick Morrissey has got. Now they're manoeuvring and landing on football land. Our game - like sport in general - ought to be a beautiful alternative to division and politics.BLM blatantly has a well dodgy extreme side.Too much. It will only be a matter of time before another political movement wants to protest at football matches.Then more divide. Personally I want to see black and brown history taught in schools.Eg,the fantastic series "Roots" from back in the day,(70s or 80s I think).This,as well as eg WWI and WWII. Inclusivity being vital.We have massive challenges on our integration front.It is struggling. Having acknowledged our huge racial challenges, we are not the US.We do not need to 'kick off' because our American cousins have the disease far worse than we do. The obsession with black American culture has in eg music been a great thing.On gun possession disgusting. The dreaded "Feds" in Bristol.A WPC strolling along in Easton,unarmed and alone.So intimidating. I do get where you are coming from Bas, however I will say the BBC Proms story was a mountain out of a molehill, there simply wasn't originally going to be a choir and somehow-again- some sections of the media put their evil little twist on things to turn it into the row it became. I would also say I do find it frustrating that Churchill is portrayed as some sort of god, when in fact he did some pretty terrible stuff, I'd balance that by saying he was absolutely the right man to lead us during the war, I would just prefer it if we were taught all aspects of the man. I still think the Beeb is the best broadcasting organisation in the world and we should be proud of it, but i do accept that sometimes in their eagerness to be seen as doing the right thing, it can often end up being cringeworthy. Morrisey is just a WUM, fronted a great band though and although I will admit most comedians tend to be left of centre, give me Kevin Bridges over Bernard Manning any day! We all need to be a bit more tolerant of others views . People on this forum who don't know you probably have you marked as a certain type, which I know is simply not the case. |
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 15, 2020 8:08:54 GMT
The fact is a person is as dead today as they will be tomorrow through tragic circumstance and we are “smiling” on here because someone did a typo and used some incorrect information. Not sure what there is to smile about really. Geez, this thread is sad, really sad. Any death in these sort of circumstances is nothing short of tragic but I don't think for one-second oldie is smiling at the death of anyone. Quite so Jeff but it just didn’t sit right for me. Maybe just another example of how we need to be careful about what we say, maybe even more so in print as it’s less easily nuanced and probably more easily misunderstood. Blimey, must be bad if I (with the thickest of skins) am getting caught up in all this “Careful what you say” s**te. Anyway...onwards. Regards. |
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Post by basel on Sept 15, 2020 8:17:55 GMT
I am uncomfortable with British culture being threatened because a man was allegedly murdered in the USA On Churchills statue eg being vandalised.I think the Government should of come down hard.'No!It is not just a statue,it represents something special about us.Our history and identity'. Or at least millions of Britons feel this way. The Proms episode.Bulls***ting university brain washed woke of the BBC. Etc. You don't have to be a raging nationalist Brit to be concerned. This woke Left thing.It took hold of comedy decades ago. The BBC,gone. Pop music.Eg,the stick Morrissey has got. Now they're manoeuvring and landing on football land. Our game - like sport in general - ought to be a beautiful alternative to division and politics.BLM blatantly has a well dodgy extreme side.Too much. It will only be a matter of time before another political movement wants to protest at football matches.Then more divide. Personally I want to see black and brown history taught in schools.Eg,the fantastic series "Roots" from back in the day,(70s or 80s I think).This,as well as eg WWI and WWII. Inclusivity being vital.We have massive challenges on our integration front.It is struggling. Having acknowledged our huge racial challenges, we are not the US.We do not need to 'kick off' because our American cousins have the disease far worse than we do. The obsession with black American culture has in eg music been a great thing.On gun possession disgusting. The dreaded "Feds" in Bristol.A WPC strolling along in Easton,unarmed and alone.So intimidating. The thing with the BBC Proms was a complete non-issue. I have a family member that has worked on the BBC proms for the last 10 years and the first they heard about not using Rule Britannia or Hope and Glory was on the news. As mentioned earlier there are definitely forces, on both sides, trying to create a culture war. I've always found it strange that both the left and right think the BBC is bias against them. I don't think British culture is under threat but understand why people think it is. It seems that every equality movement has extreme elements that dominate media coverage. It makes you think, why? My personal thought is that if the middle class and working class aren't blaming each other for their woes then who will their united attention be turned on? Would it be the tax dodging billionaires? Is so, how would these billionaires go about keeping the heat of them? Owning media would be the easiest way. We all like to think that we form our own opinions but .... Got to get off to work Global,but my very first thought on your post is it's a shame black and white working class are not more united to 'fight' their cause. |
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