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Post by basel on Sept 13, 2020 19:31:58 GMT
Global,you did'nt pen the line "largely peaceful protest" for the BBC when they reported on London BLM protest. All that blood coming from Police heads,did'nt look "peaceful" Rovers v Chelsea,about 1978 could of been described as "largely peaceful" because the majority did not participate in the fighting and violence. Not exactly my idea of good reporting though. Again, the worst being represented as the majority. The BBC tried their best to represent 27 Coppers being injured as "largely peaceful".The opposite of what you're claiming if I've understood. Being scared to speak fair ,commonsense truth is a dangerous place to be.This is where parts of the media,Police and other sections of our UK have been for too long.Years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:32:19 GMT
So, how many riots, how many assaults, how much vandalism, how many lootings are OK with you, as long as it's just 'the minority' doing it? Maybe someone like you, with a moderate outlook, should disassociate yourself from the chaos that surrounds BLM, and them we could have a serious discussion. No riots, no assaults are OK. Should Gasheads start a new team because someone punched a horse? Would you give up something you joined or created in good faith, if a minority were focused on and made more prominent by the media but they were against the core values of the movement? uh yes
neville chamberlain triesd appeasement , it doesnt work
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:42:10 GMT
So, how many riots, how many assaults, how much vandalism, how many lootings are OK with you, as long as it's just 'the minority' doing it? Maybe someone like you, with a moderate outlook, should disassociate yourself from the chaos that surrounds BLM, and them we could have a serious discussion. No riots, no assaults are OK. Should Gasheads start a new team because someone punched a horse? Would you give up something you joined or created in good faith, if a minority were focused on and made more prominent by the media but they were against the core values of the movement? If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club.
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Post by Global Gas on Sept 13, 2020 19:51:23 GMT
No riots, no assaults are OK. Should Gasheads start a new team because someone punched a horse? Would you give up something you joined or created in good faith, if a minority were focused on and made more prominent by the media but they were against the core values of the movement? If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club. Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:53:42 GMT
If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club. Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. Oh goodness. Spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:53:59 GMT
If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club. Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. I'm talking about the aims and objectives of the organisation BLM, both here in the UK and in America. I don't think you've actually read their agenda, have you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 20:00:43 GMT
Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. Oh goodness. Spot on. And he's back, trying to defend the bloodshed, riots, lootings, violence, intimidation, all across America, as if it's not happening. Global; just in case you don't know who this Charlie is, this bloke thinks that Baader Meinhof are OK, having him agree with anything you say is not a good thing by anything I recognise as a normal, civilised standard.
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Post by basel on Sept 13, 2020 20:00:51 GMT
If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club. Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. Yes and they've latched onto BLM.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 13, 2020 20:34:17 GMT
No one is asking you to take a knee. It's the fierce opposition to others doing it that I'm talking about. Equating what the EFL are doing by taking the knee to the worst minority people it represents is the problem. they are the equivalent of the bnp, you are either for them or youre not
bring down capitalism /defund the police , SERIOUSLY ?
Too right bulbous but a lot of remote BLM supporters think it’s a kind of a la carte organization where you can pick the bits you like and ignore the bits you don’t. Study history and you will see that militant anarchist groups tolerate no dissent and will eat up anyone who thinks they are joining a “visibly angry” version of the Young Liberals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 20:38:03 GMT
If Rovers changed their stated aims and objectives to those that BLM have, I would leave in a heartbeat. If the media reported on Rovers' supporters creating mayhem all over the globe I wouldn't blame the media, I would look first and foremost at the club. Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. Agreed. And you are defending them for some reason
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 21:07:02 GMT
Again, you're taking the stated aims of a minority as those of the majority. There are forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues that we as a society face. I'm talking about the aims and objectives of the organisation BLM, both here in the UK and in America. I don't think you've actually read their agenda, have you? I'm not sure you've actually read the message you're replying to, my dear Bambi. I think, and both you and Global just may think too, that there are 'forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues...' The political wing of BLM, and the conservative reaction to it, both aim to create a culture war between them. Both benefit from this war in different ways. I want nothing to do with it. I prefer us all just integrating harmoniously for the social good. Those who don't, can fight on their own gardens; they're not wanted on mine.
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Post by basel on Sept 13, 2020 21:14:21 GMT
I'm talking about the aims and objectives of the organisation BLM, both here in the UK and in America. I don't think you've actually read their agenda, have you? I'm not sure you've actually read the message you're replying to, my dear Bambi. I think, and both you and Global just may think too, that there are 'forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues...' The political wing of BLM, and the conservative reaction to it, both aim to create a culture war between them. Both benefit from this war in different ways. I want nothing to do with it. I prefer us all just integrating harmoniously for the social good. Those who don't, can fight on their own gardens; they're not wanted on mine. How are the Conservatives aiming to start a culture war Shoveler?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 21:18:33 GMT
How are the Conservatives aiming to start a culture war Shoveler? Not the Conservatives, Sir, just (note the small 'c') conservative reactionaries. This is the problem of political parties appropriating general nouns or adjectives for a specific organisation. A bit like the political wing of Black Lives Matter.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 13, 2020 21:32:01 GMT
I'm talking about the aims and objectives of the organisation BLM, both here in the UK and in America. I don't think you've actually read their agenda, have you? I'm not sure you've actually read the message you're replying to, my dear Bambi. I think, and both you and Global just may think too, that there are 'forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues...' The political wing of BLM, and the conservative reaction to it, both aim to create a culture war between them. Both benefit from this war in different ways. I want nothing to do with it. I prefer us all just integrating harmoniously for the social good. Those who don't, can fight on their own gardens; they're not wanted on mine. The problem is they will fight on your garden whether you like it or not Shoveler. They show no respect to anyone and assume that those who refuse to actively support them must be their enemy. In July a local Community Advocate who works in deprived neighborhoods helping with access to jobs, healthcare, sports facilities etc and counseling young people about the culture of gangs, drugs and guns spoke out against BLM. He happens to have black skin and his words were “ BLM is not fighting my cause, what they are doing is counterproductive to my cause”. The result was that he received death threats and his home was daubed with slogans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 21:52:18 GMT
The problem is they will fight on your garden whether you like it or not Shoveler. They show no respect to anyone and assume that those who refuse to actively support them must be their enemy. Oh, I agree, Sir. Sadly, they are led by world-ignorant social media activist leaders on both sides, and on the BLM side by so-called Marxists who appear not to have bothered reading any Marx, presumably because they can't. These are ignorant self-righteous zealots who tolerate no dissenting views. Such a shame. These hooligans are an insult to the actual Marxists whose denonyms they misappropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 22:06:40 GMT
I'm talking about the aims and objectives of the organisation BLM, both here in the UK and in America. I don't think you've actually read their agenda, have you? I'm not sure you've actually read the message you're replying to, my dear Bambi. I think, and both you and Global just may think too, that there are 'forces working to create a culture war to distract the people from the meaningful issues...' The political wing of BLM, and the conservative reaction to it, both aim to create a culture war between them. Both benefit from this war in different ways. I want nothing to do with it. I prefer us all just integrating harmoniously for the social good. Those who don't, can fight on their own gardens; they're not wanted on mine. Anybody who wants to be taken seriously should, as a starting point, disassociate themselves from the political movement Black Lives Matter. Can you point me towards somewhere where I can find details of these moderate BLM objectives and agenda please? Go on then, what are these 'meaningful issues'. Is your final line in response to Swiss in some way suggesting that Marxism is a good thing?
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Post by basel on Sept 13, 2020 22:06:42 GMT
How are the Conservatives aiming to start a culture war Shoveler? Not the Conservatives, Sir, just (note the small 'c') conservative reactionaries. This is the problem of political parties appropriating general nouns or adjectives for a specific organisation. A bit like the political wing of Black Lives Matter. So how are they hoping to start a culture war? The conservative ones.
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Post by syg on Sept 13, 2020 22:12:04 GMT
No riots, no assaults are OK. Should Gasheads start a new team because someone punched a horse? Would you give up something you joined or created in good faith, if a minority were focused on and made more prominent by the media but they were against the core values of the movement? uh yes
neville chamberlain triesd appeasement , it doesnt work
Don't start me off, ummm, too late. We had no military to speak off, no choice but appeasement whilst rearming at a rapid rate. People can dyor, appeasement in late 30s is massively misunderstood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 22:37:50 GMT
uh yes
neville chamberlain triesd appeasement , it doesnt work
Don't start me off, ummm, too late. We had no military to speak off, no choice but appeasement whilst rearming at a rapid rate. People can dyor, appeasement in late 30s is massively misunderstood. that was then, this is now, these racist looneys need locking up
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 13, 2020 23:17:28 GMT
These, I'm right and you're wrong debates are a trend I see happening across many social media platforms. I think it reflects the polarisation of political views across the globe.
In the past the middle ground was a fertile one, these days it is shrinking rapidly leaving just binary left or right-wing views with intransigent positioning on both sides.
All very sad and not good for quality discourse or democracy.
It gets to a point where the discussions become predictable and boring, much like this thread.
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