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Post by basel on Sept 6, 2020 20:40:05 GMT
On hiring a Manager I think I would look for
1 A man with strong character. 2 Has a plan and the ability to move onto a plan b in the heat of battle. 3 Knows how to simplify it (whatever the style). 4 good communication skills.
I have my doubts Ben has any of these qualities.
Right now,offered a bet on him making us a top half 3rd tier team or being sacked by Christmas ,I would take the latter.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 6, 2020 21:31:04 GMT
Following talks, Bristol Rovers & Ben Garner have agreed to part company with immediate effect. This is how it would happen. This is the statement Isn’t it? Not really a sacking, more a conscious decoupling due to each party realising it’s just just not working out, struggling each week and wondering where next goal and three points is coming from, but you wish each other well and break up on win win terms, maybe even with a polite acknowledgement from each party, this club, this manager, can still make upward trajectory to great things in the future. What happens next is Ben quickly gets another very good paying job as a coach or assistant in championship or premiership, probably even closer to his home. So he will be okay, but what about us? Following some manager sackings, Buckle for example, some fans in the mood to let off flares. But not this time. We all wanted it to work. We saw the robinsball and the momentum Coventry built last season, and we wanted it to be us. Anyone got any confidence that when Garner goes the board will get the next appointment right? Bloody ell! Even worse than "only hours to go"! I thought he had gone then I checked the author.😏 the thread is clearly not about getting rid of the manager, its about what happens next if it does happen. the thread, a call to get real and let go of any misplaced pre season optimism, asks you how long can it go on us not turning up and performing so getting rolled over easily most weeks, before we find this thread title on Sky sports ticker or Bristol Live click bait. I think 99% of posts here want benball to succeed, always have done for us to be the next Coventry, but the thread asks each fan how long are you prepared to wait, put up with footballing winter without any sign of green shoots of spring? in terms of negativity, no. I didn’t call for sackings. No I didn’t dwell on how surprisingly poor and unconvincing we were yesterday. But we were. And it’s as though nothing has changed from lasts seasons struggles and unconvincing selections. If it was football manager 2020 and you played both wingers and attacking wing backs, the attacking wing backs wouldn’t have the space to move into, and moving into a space, not passing it to someone already under pressure, is what a good passing side is all about. Also throughout 90 minutes there was nothing up front or midfield that held the ball through a transition phase of play. We are talking two fundamentals of football the fans have every right to demand at all times, formation and tactics that find players into pockets of space, holding the ball to build attacking phase of play. manager and coaches clicking here and reading negativity? I hope they are reading this. And the fact I am happy to defend them where credits due. I’ve already said, even if it doesn’t work out here, I still be believe Ben can have a great future in the game certainly as number two’s, even as number 1. His next five years after leaving likely to be better than ours. Being here could prove good for him. We were Gerry’s second managerial appointment, he said he learnt a lot from how it went wrong at Exeter. I’ll add to that, where Ben gets the blame for JCH going and there’s no replacement in yet, which on paper where number 9 shirt is Unallocated is true, and both posh should have the money and we should have some of it by now, and we must have had shortlist of 2 or 4 to try for if the situation arose, that’s not entirely fair to lay at Ben’s door, that’s the club, that’s a complaint to be picked up collectively There is one suggestion of negativity at the top of thread, the thread opener asked how confident are you the next managerial appointment by the board will be a successful one? Personally I don’t think we were that convincing during last seasons good run, I think the moment cocko bailed would have been high watermark if he had stayed, through a mixture of the samey tactic getting sussed, the fixtures and injuries that were just around the corner. Anyone saying if Cocko had not gone we would have remained in top 6, Im not convinced. But under Cocko, ainsworth too at Wycombe, the football is built upon sound defence, where it’s tight and scrappy but not particularly memorable, you score first it’s a great advantage, I just don’t feel this resolve to scrap under Garners style of management, that brings possession and territory, chances and goals stats more into focus, and they are consistently poor stats. It also can be noted Robins and Coventry had a great season last season, but they all needed to be patient there the season before.
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Post by basel on Sept 6, 2020 21:37:42 GMT
Bloody ell! Even worse than "only hours to go"! I thought he had gone then I checked the author.😏 the thread is clearly not about getting rid of the manager, its about what happens next if it does happen. the thread, a call to get real and let go of any misplaced pre season optimism, asks you how long can it go on us not turning up and performing so getting rolled over easily most weeks, before we find this thread title on Sky sports ticker or Bristol Live click bait. I think 99% of posts here want benball to succeed, always have done for us to be the next Coventry, but the thread asks each fan how long are you prepared to wait, put up with footballing winter without any sign of green shoots of spring? in terms of negativity, no. I didn’t call for sackings. No I didn’t dwell on how surprisingly poor and unconvincing we were yesterday. But we were. And it’s as though nothing has changed from lasts seasons struggles and unconvincing selections. If it was football manager 2020 and you played both wingers and attacking wing backs, the attacking wing backs wouldn’t have the space to move into, and moving into a space, not passing it to someone already under pressure, is what a good passing side is all about. Also throughout 90 minutes there was nothing up front or midfield that held the ball through a transition phase of play. We are talking two fundamentals of football the fans have every right to demand at all times, formation and tactics that find players into pockets of space, holding the ball to build attacking phase of play. manager and coaches clicking here and reading negativity? I hope they are reading this. And the fact I am happy to defend them where credits due. I’ve already said, even if it doesn’t work out here, I still be believe Ben can have a great future in the game certainly as number two’s, even as number 1. His next five years after leaving likely to be better than ours. Being here could prove good for him. We were Gerry’s second managerial appointment, he said he learnt a lot from how it went wrong at Exeter. I’ll add to that, where Ben gets the blame for JCH going and there’s no replacement in yet, which on paper where number 9 shirt is Unallocated is true, and both posh should have the money and we should have some of it by now, and we must have had shortlist of 2 or 4 to try for if the situation arose, that’s not entirely fair to lay at Ben’s door, that’s the club, that’s a complaint to be picked up collectively There is one suggestion of negativity at the top of thread, the thread opener asked how confident are you the next managerial appointment by the board will be a successful one? Personally I don’t think we were that convincing during last seasons good run, I think the moment cocko bailed would have been high watermark if he had stayed, through a mixture of the samey tactic getting sussed, the fixtures and injuries that were just around the corner. Anyone saying if Cocko had not gone we would have remained in top 6, Im not convinced. But under Cocko, ainsworth too at Wycombe, the football is built upon sound defence, where it’s tight and scrappy but not particularly memorable, you score first it’s a great advantage, I just don’t feel this resolve to scrap under Garners style of management, that brings possession and territory, chances and goals stats more into focus, and they are consistently poor stats. It also can be noted Robins and Coventry had a great season last season, but they all needed to be patient there the season before. Sorry Empororsuperbus.I should of stated it made me jump for a moment. Good posts and I may respond tomorrow after a trip to the Land of Nod....
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 6, 2020 22:35:23 GMT
For ##cks sake give the new(ish) Kid a break!
For 30 minutes yesterday i was enjoying watching two teams playing some good football and i was liking the look of the new players BG has recruited who all appear comfortable on the ball and not without ability Yes Ipswich ended up worthy winnners but most likely be the best team we play this season.
OK we need a striker but we wil still score goals and after three or four matches we will be holding our own.
Behave yourselves! UTG
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Post by alanrg on Sept 6, 2020 22:56:17 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 7, 2020 8:20:44 GMT
Glad I was already on the toilet when I read this. Mods, could you amend the thread title please? Good point. Done.
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Post by Rex on Sept 7, 2020 10:10:05 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot Feel free to contribute with thoughts of your own. At a fraction of just over 1 post a year , you must be composing a belter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 10:21:40 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot Feel free to contribute with thoughts of your own. At a fraction of just over 1 post a year , you must be composing a belter I thought his criticism was unfair. He should try writing incoherent negative babble, day after day after day, it takes a toll.
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Post by Rex on Sept 7, 2020 10:30:40 GMT
Feel free to contribute with thoughts of your own. At a fraction of just over 1 post a year , you must be composing a belter I thought his criticism was unfair. He should try writing incoherent negative babble, day after day after day, it takes a toll.How about us poor sods who have to read it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 10:37:06 GMT
One game played. Good grief.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 7, 2020 12:04:49 GMT
One game played. Good grief. it’s a legitimate question to ask after one game that was the same as it’s been all year, after such an awful start at a club, the chances of it turning around into happy days? What we had before lockdown was footballing winter, did we see any green shoots of spring? Ben’s overall record here is dire. All our hopes were with summer break, a preseason of his own, it would be better. But in that one Competitive game the failings were exactly the same. We didn’t scrap for the clean sheet. We rarely found pockets of space. We didn’t hold the ball long enough to transition from defence to attack. Hargreaves seemed to be played in a creative position. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. The classic realism v optimism is going to vary from person to person, especially in the excitement of new season. But what we shouldn’t have from any gashead today is unrealistic expectations of a top ten finish, or unrealistic belief of going to Ipswich or Sunderland and outplaying them and turning them over in the first weeks of this season, because we are not seeing our team playing well enough in the footballing basics to expect that. Are we?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 7, 2020 12:13:07 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot Feel free to contribute with thoughts of your own. At a fraction of just over 1 post a year , you must be composing a belter Haha! Destroyed in two sentences! Rex the destroyer is the metaphorical Ipswich Town to the alanBG..
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 7, 2020 12:17:08 GMT
One game played. Good grief. To follow on from ESB, it isn't just one game. It's statistically the worst manager in our history after 18 matches. Sunderland apart, I haven't seen us play well this calendar year! Has anyone else? That's an incredible scenario to post, but it's true. Ipswich was the Southend, we are an embarrassment.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 7, 2020 12:28:49 GMT
Sunderland apart, I haven't seen us play well this calendar year! Has anyone else? That's an incredible scenario to post, but it's true. 'remember Sunderland' as Gas motto on a par with 'I'll believe it when I'm sat in it' IMO
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Sept 7, 2020 12:29:26 GMT
Fact is despite people ignoring it, Ben Garner achieved 0.6875ppg with a squad that was 4th in the league and contained one of the divisions most prolific forwards. Only an improvement of ~50% to keep us up required then! 🙈
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Post by irishrover on Sept 7, 2020 15:03:30 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot Could you define 'u lot' in this instance please? Are you refering to;
-Rovers fans? -Football fans in general? -Bristolians?
-British people? -People with a penchant for Roman coinage? -The human race in general? (In which case, is this in fact the voice of god?)
Personally, I find it hard to make much of a case for Garner and I think there was a very strong argument for sacking him last season and in the offseason. But now we've gone all in with him it's hard to see how getting rid of him at this stage would make things any better. But I do not understand the subset of Rovers fans who have faith in his ability to turn this around because there seems no evidence so far that he's capable of doing so - seriously, what is the case for Garner at this point? At the very least he has a hell of a lot to prove and is bound to take a lot of criticism because so far he has been nothing short of a disaster as manager. However, we should all clear hope that he will provide himself as he clearly isn't going anywhere.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 7, 2020 15:20:50 GMT
Another pathetic post I do despair with u lot But now we've gone all in with him it's hard to see how getting rid of him at this stage would make things any better.
As there's a few weeks of transfer activity left before the window shuts, would replacing BG with a credible, knowledgeable in this league manager, with maybe proven promotion experience make things better? Great satirical post, btw... Hilarious!
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 7, 2020 16:47:24 GMT
I’m usually supportive of every manager that we employ until it’s completely untenable to do so anymore.
However I just can’t get the 2 wins from 18 at the end of last season out of my head. There was no “new manager bounce” with BG, although at the time, some personal issues hampered him for a month. But even so, I would have expected at least 6-7 wins in that time if not a load of draws, but we got beaten most games and well beaten at that.
I surprised JCH was allowed to leave, even if he was as unfit as DFerg says he is, without his replacement coming in. Problem we have is now that clubs know we have taken in a million, so they will perceive that as money to spend so will inflate the price of any target we have.
In short in my mind he has 10 games until the end of October and I would like to see 6 good results from that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 17:04:59 GMT
The cowley brothers apparently, had worked hard to gain the secret formula for a successful football team. Unfortunately there wasn't any longevity in their so called fool proof system.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 7, 2020 17:16:04 GMT
The cowley brothers apparently, had worked hard to gain the secret formula for a successful football team. Unfortunately there wasn't any longevity in their so called fool proof system. The Cowley were unjustly treated at Huddersfield. They were nailed on dropping into L1 with a disinterested and half fit team. Not only did they get everyone on board they kept them up in 2/3rds of a season with 3 games to spare. Huddersfield will regret that decision. Put it this way, I would love the Cowleys here should Ben depart.
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