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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 6, 2020 11:10:08 GMT
Following talks, Bristol Rovers & Ben Garner have agreed to part company with immediate effect.
This is how it would happen. This is the statement Isn’t it? Not really a sacking, more a conscious decoupling due to each party realising it’s just just not working out, struggling each week and wondering where next goal and three points is coming from, but you wish each other well and break up on win win terms, maybe even with a polite acknowledgement from each party, this club, this manager, can still make upward trajectory to great things in the future.
What happens next is Ben quickly gets another very good paying job as a coach or assistant in championship or premiership, probably even closer to his home.
So he will be okay, but what about us? Following some manager sackings, Buckle for example, some fans in the mood to let off flares. But not this time. We all wanted it to work. We saw the robinsball and the momentum Coventry built last season, and we wanted it to be us.
Anyone got any confidence that when Garner goes the board will get the next appointment right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 11:34:50 GMT
I have next to no confidence that Garner is or ever will be a manager, but as someone reminded me yesterday evening, the start of our season in the 5th tier didn't exactly go too well, and that was playing carpenters and electricians.
Just did a quick Google check, may well be wrong as only read the first result, but it said that the transfer window closes on Oct 16th, so still plenty of time to bring players in who can hit a barn door from 2 yards away.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 6, 2020 11:40:45 GMT
Following talks, Bristol Rovers & Ben Garner have agreed to part company with immediate effect. This is how it would happen. This is the statement Isn’t it? Not really a sacking, more a conscious decoupling due to each party realising it’s just just not working out, struggling each week and wondering where next goal and three points is coming from, but you wish each other well and break up on win win terms, maybe even with a polite acknowledgement from each party, this club, this manager, can still make upward trajectory to great things in the future. What happens next is Ben quickly gets another very good paying job as a coach or assistant in championship or premiership, probably even closer to his home. So he will be okay, but what about us? Following some manager sackings, Buckle for example, some fans in the mood to let off flares. But not this time. We all wanted it to work. We saw the robinsball and the momentum Coventry built last season, and we wanted it to be us. Anyone got any confidence that when Garner goes the board will get the next appointment right? Had me going there a minute
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 12:06:15 GMT
I have next to no confidence that Garner is or ever will be a manager, but as someone reminded me yesterday evening, the start of our season in the 5th tier didn't exactly go too well, and that was playing carpenters and electricians. Just did a quick Google check, may well be wrong as only read the first result, but it said that the transfer window closes on Oct 16th, so still plenty of time to bring players in who can hit a barn door from 2 yards away. Indeed. Garner has a lot to do instill any sort of confidence in fans. Personally I am ambivalent. I do believe that if we did/do have any real ambition then the methods and management by Coughlan and perhaps Clarke, were getting us nowhere. So this is a roll of the dice. Let's see where we are in a couple of months.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Sept 6, 2020 12:36:17 GMT
Garner is the managerial equivalent of the year 2020; an unmitigated disaster which some people hope will improve, whilst most are merely waiting for it to end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 12:42:48 GMT
I have next to no confidence that Garner is or ever will be a manager, but as someone reminded me yesterday evening, the start of our season in the 5th tier didn't exactly go too well, and that was playing carpenters and electricians. Just did a quick Google check, may well be wrong as only read the first result, but it said that the transfer window closes on Oct 16th, so still plenty of time to bring players in who can hit a barn door from 2 yards away. Indeed. Garner has a lot to do instill any sort of confidence in fans. Personally I am ambivalent. I do believe that if we did/do have any real ambition then the methods and management by Coughlan and perhaps Clarke, were getting us nowhere. So this is a roll of the dice. Let's see where we are in a couple of months. I think we rolled the dice with Ben last season, and it didn't work. Games followed a pattern; opposition looked at us for 15 ~ 20 mins, made a couple of adjustments, Ben didn't react, we lost.
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Post by tauntongas on Sept 6, 2020 12:52:49 GMT
We haven't even had one league game of a brand new season and look at this thread.
Embarrassing.
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Post by Rex on Sept 6, 2020 13:16:09 GMT
We haven't even had one league game of a brand new season and look at this thread. Embarrassing. I think the nature of forums does tend to make them very much 'feast or famine' and I do find that frustrating. Having said that, Garner has been here for a while now and his record is- and this is putting it mildly- very poor. I hope he turns it around, normally I would say a manager deserves at least one whole season, but so poor is Garners record, if we are bottom 4 going into November, I won't be sorry to see him go.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 6, 2020 13:44:42 GMT
'remember Sunderland'
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Post by syg on Sept 6, 2020 13:48:27 GMT
Extended contract when we go unbeaten for rest of season.
It doesn't help when staff look at forums and they see this negative rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 14:14:04 GMT
Extended contract when we go unbeaten for rest of season. It doesn't help when staff look at forums and they see this negative rubbish. I think it's fairly balanced. The general view seems to be that it's a worry that we were well beaten yesterday, but Garner needs a few games with his own squad. It would be a bit unreasonable to expect people to just forget that he took a winning team last season and turned them into a total shambles literally from the moment he arrived.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 14:32:31 GMT
Extended contract when we go unbeaten for rest of season. It doesn't help when staff look at forums and they see this negative rubbish. Delusional post! It doesn't help anyone when you have an incompetent encumbrance. It is what it is. A disastrous 2020 with 18 matches in charge and statistically the worst manager in our history. Where is the positive rubbish within what we've seen (apart from the 2 victories in 18 matches)?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 14:45:08 GMT
Extended contract when we go unbeaten for rest of season. It doesn't help when staff look at forums and they see this negative rubbish. I think it's fairly balanced. The general view seems to be that it's a worry that we were well beaten yesterday, but Garner needs a few games with his own squad. It would be a bit unreasonable to expect people to just forget that he took a winning team last season and turned them into a total shambles literally from the moment he arrived. How many more mistakes in formation and selection does a manager have to make before it's classed as an unmitigated disaster? Disagree with some of this post! 2 wins out of 18 with his selections is woeful. Playing no strikers in a competitive match is woeful. Replacement striker subbed in on 45 mins (in essence admitting the mistake you made in in first half) after the game is lost, is woeful. Allowing your prized asset to leave without first supplying a credible replacement is woeful. Not admitting your mistakes post match interview, and delusionally implying because the team missed 5 chances was instrumental in our losing, is woeful. To allude the journey, preparation, covid or anything else but his selections and tactics were contribution to our defeat publicly in interview is woeful. To watch the same Southend match at Ips*** with different personnel, but same tippy tappy smiley no clue idea forward play, is woeful. Nothing has changed. It is what it is. We have a chance to change it today, or very soon. If we don't, our backwards motion will be damaged beyond repair. How much longer does it not have to work before there's a change?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 16:59:34 GMT
I think it's fairly balanced. The general view seems to be that it's a worry that we were well beaten yesterday, but Garner needs a few games with his own squad. It would be a bit unreasonable to expect people to just forget that he took a winning team last season and turned them into a total shambles literally from the moment he arrived. How many more mistakes in formation and selection does a manager have to make before it's classed as an unmitigated disaster? Disagree with some of this post! 2 wins out of 18 with his selections is woeful. Playing no strikers in a competitive match is woeful. Replacement striker subbed in on 45 mins (in essence admitting the mistake you made in in first half) after the game is lost, is woeful. Allowing your prized asset to leave without first supplying a credible replacement is woeful. Not admitting your mistakes post match interview, and delusionally implying because the team missed 5 chances was instrumental in our losing, is woeful. To allude the journey, preparation, covid or anything else but his selections and tactics were contribution to our defeat publicly in interview is woeful. To watch the same Southend match at Ips*** with different personnel, but same tippy tappy smiley no clue idea forward play, is woeful. Nothing has changed. It is what it is. We have a chance to change it today, or very soon. If we don't, our backwards motion will be damaged beyond repair. How much longer does it not have to work before there's a change? Clearly he's not going to get as long this season as a brand new manager would, he's under some pressure from the start, but even I would give him half a dozen games. However, if the pattern continues where we get over-run from 20 mins onwards in every game I would let him go fairly soon.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 6, 2020 17:45:27 GMT
Even Colin Murray mentioned on quest last night the Gas have only won twice since Boxing Day.
It is a poor record and his new signings will need some time to see if they improve results.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 18:05:51 GMT
How many more mistakes in formation and selection does a manager have to make before it's classed as an unmitigated disaster? Disagree with some of this post! 2 wins out of 18 with his selections is woeful. Playing no strikers in a competitive match is woeful. Replacement striker subbed in on 45 mins (in essence admitting the mistake you made in in first half) after the game is lost, is woeful. Allowing your prized asset to leave without first supplying a credible replacement is woeful. Not admitting your mistakes post match interview, and delusionally implying because the team missed 5 chances was instrumental in our losing, is woeful. To allude the journey, preparation, covid or anything else but his selections and tactics were contribution to our defeat publicly in interview is woeful. To watch the same Southend match at Ips*** with different personnel, but same tippy tappy smiley no clue idea forward play, is woeful. Nothing has changed. It is what it is. We have a chance to change it today, or very soon. If we don't, our backwards motion will be damaged beyond repair. How much longer does it not have to work before there's a change? Clearly he's not going to get as long this season as a brand new manager would, he's under some pressure from the start, but even I would give him half a dozen games. However, if the pattern continues where we get over-run from 20 mins onwards in every game I would let him go fairly soon. I wouldn't give him half a dozen minutes. Everyone is different. Either this is gonna be the biggest turn around in the history of not just brfc, but every league club statistically.....or it's the most disastrous appointment, and it is taking some GasHeads more time to work it out than others...? It's literally that binary. Hmmmmm....I wonder? 🤔 It is a walking dead appointment. Unless we all agree relegation threatened is the way forward?
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Post by Rex on Sept 6, 2020 18:12:51 GMT
Extended contract when we go unbeaten for rest of season.It doesn't help when staff look at forums and they see this negative rubbish. Well let's hope you're right. I agree that negativity can have a pretty poisonous effect . However, all the evidence so far suggests that simply 'getting behind the lads' isn't really going to produce the desired result. I really, really, hope that Garner turns things around, I've seen nothing so far to suggest he knows how to do that. I did miss the Sunderland game, which , by all accounts, was impressive, so let's hope we can see a few more performances like that one, but it does need to start happening soon.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 6, 2020 18:15:11 GMT
We haven't even had one league game of a brand new season and look at this thread. Embarrassing. Better than the GC one from last year
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Post by Foran for England on Sept 6, 2020 19:25:41 GMT
Glad I was already on the toilet when I read this. Mods, could you amend the thread title please?
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Post by basel on Sept 6, 2020 20:11:40 GMT
Following talks, Bristol Rovers & Ben Garner have agreed to part company with immediate effect. This is how it would happen. This is the statement Isn’t it? Not really a sacking, more a conscious decoupling due to each party realising it’s just just not working out, struggling each week and wondering where next goal and three points is coming from, but you wish each other well and break up on win win terms, maybe even with a polite acknowledgement from each party, this club, this manager, can still make upward trajectory to great things in the future. What happens next is Ben quickly gets another very good paying job as a coach or assistant in championship or premiership, probably even closer to his home. So he will be okay, but what about us? Following some manager sackings, Buckle for example, some fans in the mood to let off flares. But not this time. We all wanted it to work. We saw the robinsball and the momentum Coventry built last season, and we wanted it to be us. Anyone got any confidence that when Garner goes the board will get the next appointment right? Bloody ell! Even worse than "only hours to go"! I thought he had gone then I checked the author.😏
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