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Post by rowdenhill on Aug 25, 2020 17:01:19 GMT
It's all very reminiscent of Così Fan Tutte.
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Post by knowall on Aug 25, 2020 17:10:05 GMT
It's all very reminiscent of Così Fan Tutte. Good opera that
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 25, 2020 17:33:40 GMT
Can’t be guilty because he told Gareth he never did anything 🤭 Is this Greece’s revenge for that Beckham goal !!⚽️🙄
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:14:16 GMT
What a great role model.
Another one onto the list of yobs who aren't fit to wear our great nation's shirt.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 26, 2020 11:57:23 GMT
Shocking. Surprised England didn't drop him straight away. Glad they have now
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Post by bloogas on Aug 26, 2020 12:13:56 GMT
What a great role model. Another one onto the list of yobs who aren't fit to wear our great nation's shirt. You're absolutely 100% certain he said that? He has no right to assist his sister if and when she is assaulted? I would not defend him IF he did /said what is alleged. If it is true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 12:28:36 GMT
What a great role model. Another one onto the list of yobs who aren't fit to wear our great nation's shirt. You're absolutely 100% certain he said that? He has no right to assist his sister if and when she is assaulted? I would not defend him IF he did /said what is alleged. If it is true. It's what is being quoted as being part of the Police evidence in court. He's been found guilty of repeated bodily harm, attempted bribery, violence against public employees and insult after arrest. What on earth makes you think that he has any 'right' to do those things? If you have any evidence that he's not guilty then I'm sure he would be delighted to hear from you and would welcome your assistance in putting together an appeal against his lengthy suspended jail sentence. I'm comfortable with my original statement, scum, never want to see him representing my country again. I can't even understand your position here. I the first half of your post you are suggesting that what he did was justified on the basis of defending his Sister, in the second half you say you wouldn't defend him. Looking forward to the toxicology reports from his Sister being released... Have to say, he's one smart cookie, he knows the nationality of people by sight, he managed to work out that these mystery assailants were Albanians. Complete tosh. Shame on him.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 26, 2020 13:01:39 GMT
You're absolutely 100% certain he said that? He has no right to assist his sister if and when she is assaulted? I would not defend him IF he did /said what is alleged. If it is true. It's what is being quoted as being part of the Police evidence in court.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 26, 2020 13:04:07 GMT
It's what is being quoted as being part of the Police evidence in court. I've had some experience of Police evidence in court in this country - barefaced lies and I can show you it. Wouldn't have any faith in "police evidence".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:09:00 GMT
I've had some experience of Police evidence in court in this country - barefaced lies and I can show you it. Wouldn't have any faith in "police evidence". Give us strength. Now he's the victim of corrupt Police officers. Yeah, OK, if you say so. Based on this stupidity we should disregard every single conviction, ever, that's supported by Police evidence. His family should book a package with the Bartons for next year, wonderful ambassadors they make for Great Britain. Edit. No doubt you ended the careers of those Police officers who purjured themselves, or is this all part of some bonkers conspiracy theory where you can 'prove' that it's happened, but just can't do so in a court? But even if you did demonstrate what you claim and officers were convicted accordingly, what on earth has that to do with Maguire's drunken rampage?
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Post by Delsy on Aug 26, 2020 13:22:56 GMT
I don't even think he is that good, Why MU paid all that money for him is a mystery to me ? I have seen much better defenders than him lower down in the pyramid.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 26, 2020 14:10:27 GMT
Surprised they have used him to model next season's kit!!!
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Post by basel on Aug 26, 2020 14:13:20 GMT
Oops.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 26, 2020 15:14:21 GMT
Slightly in disagreement here..
I'm not condoning anything that's been proven in a court of law, but there are two points:
1) There's a fine line between judging his football playing prowess against his off field activities.
2) Rehabilitation.
I agree with his temporary withdrawal from England squad, and perhaps club too. It's up to those authorities to judge what (if any) disrepute he has brought against both or either body, but he wasn't at work when the incident occurred and it wasn't football related.
Rehabilitation. If you agree HM deserves the most stringent of punishments, fair enough, but for how long? The three years his suspended sentence carries? More? Less??
Also, consistency? Ben Stokes knocks someone out (I'm sure most have seen footage) and is acquitted because great lawyer (no one can dispute he wasn't in imminent danger and could have walked away) but pleaded guilty to bringing the game into disrepute. Fickleness appears convenient for most to forget this when he single handedly wins the world cup for E&W and plays parts after in memorable wins.. setting a precedent, perhaps?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 26, 2020 15:24:00 GMT
I've had some experience of Police evidence in court in this country - barefaced lies and I can show you it. Wouldn't have any faith in "police evidence". Give us strength. Now he's the victim of corrupt Police officers. Yeah, OK, if you say so. Based on this stupidity we should disregard every single conviction, ever, that's supported by Police evidence. His family should book a package with the Bartons for next year, wonderful ambassadors they make for Great Britain. Edit. No doubt you ended the careers of those Police officers who purjured themselves, or is this all part of some bonkers conspiracy theory where you can 'prove' that it's happened, but just can't do so in a court? But even if you did demonstrate what you claim and officers were convicted accordingly, what on earth has that to do with Maguire's drunken rampage? I’ll wait for the full facts on this one before leaping to judgment. Because There has been a lot of stories about police and the justice system in Greece being rubbish, and even misogynistic and hopeless at caring for rape victims. if anyone did inject lovely daisy with something Harry has every justification for ironing them flat as a pancake imo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 15:45:14 GMT
Give us strength. Now he's the victim of corrupt Police officers. Yeah, OK, if you say so. Based on this stupidity we should disregard every single conviction, ever, that's supported by Police evidence. His family should book a package with the Bartons for next year, wonderful ambassadors they make for Great Britain. Edit. No doubt you ended the careers of those Police officers who purjured themselves, or is this all part of some bonkers conspiracy theory where you can 'prove' that it's happened, but just can't do so in a court? But even if you did demonstrate what you claim and officers were convicted accordingly, what on earth has that to do with Maguire's drunken rampage? I’ll wait for the full facts on this one before leaping to judgment. Because There has been a lot of stories about police and the justice system in Greece being rubbish, and even misogynistic and hopeless at caring for rape victims. if anyone did inject lovely daisy with something Harry has every justification for ironing them flat as a pancake imo So of course, with you Sister having been subject to a potentially life threatening injection by ''Albanians'', your first thought is to assault the Police and try to bribe them. Complete tripe. Drunken lout with a huge ego. When first we practice to deceive... Edit. Sure, Stokes was a drunken lout also, but I'm struggling to remember how many Police he assaulted or tried to bride, or what utterly ridiculous stories he make up about Albanians with poison umbrellas to try to get himself off of the hook. Not sure we can say that Stokes' situation was any different with regard to the calibre of representation, before the court hearing our papers here were saying that Alexis Anagnostakis was well respected.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 23:07:38 GMT
Give us strength.
Now the bloke is now claiming that he thought he was being kidnapped.
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Post by billyocean on Aug 28, 2020 6:34:23 GMT
Give us strength. Now he's the victim of corrupt Police officers. Yeah, OK, if you say so. Based on this stupidity we should disregard every single conviction, ever, that's supported by Police evidence. His family should book a package with the Bartons for next year, wonderful ambassadors they make for Great Britain. Edit. No doubt you ended the careers of those Police officers who purjured themselves, or is this all part of some bonkers conspiracy theory where you can 'prove' that it's happened, but just can't do so in a court? But even if you did demonstrate what you claim and officers were convicted accordingly, what on earth has that to do with Maguire's drunken rampage? I’ll wait for the full facts on this one before leaping to judgment. Because There has been a lot of stories about police and the justice system in Greece being rubbish, and even misogynistic and hopeless at caring for rape victims. if anyone did inject lovely daisy with something Harry has every justification for ironing them flat as a pancake imo I think this sums it up for me. It does seem like one of those stories that people make up after the event to paint themselves in a better light but a "trial" conducted in the way it was is farcical.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 28, 2020 7:23:58 GMT
Reading the BBC interview this morning, I find it hard to believe the girl passed out, then they were going to go back to the villa (not the club) and then hospital. You would just go to hospital. The rest seems very convenient. He has said he doesn't owe anyone an apology, yet he was FOUND guilty. Is he really saying the Greek court was like a Kangaroo court or something from Black Adder 4? Speckled Jim....
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Post by crater on Aug 28, 2020 9:15:43 GMT
I doubt either party is being completely honest and the truth is somewhere in between. The fact someone has been found guilty doesn't mean the individual did indeed do what he/she has been accused of and we have many examples of accounts being embellished to fit the crime. That said Gary Cahill for 2 seasons on a free was a better option than paying 85M for Harry Maguire
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