bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 23, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
How ironic is this being drawn again v The Tractor boys, The ties will take place in the week commencing 7th August.. It's a coincidence, but it's not ironic. I blame Alanis Morissette. I stand corrected... The historical record shows that irony and ironic have been used imprecisely for almost 100 years at least, and often to refer to coincidence. This 1939 quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald is typical: "It is an ironic thought that the last picture job I took—against my better judgment—yielded me five thousand dollars five hundred and cost over four thousand in medical attention." Is this true situational irony? It’s debatable. The word irony has come to be applied to events that are merely curious or coincidental, and while some feel this is an incorrect use of the word, it is merely a new one.
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dido
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Post by dido on Jun 23, 2023 9:55:51 GMT
''Misuse'' of ironic. See ''misuse'' of iconic.
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 23, 2023 13:38:17 GMT
''Misuse'' of ironic. See ''misuse'' of iconic. The original meaning of iconic was essentially "resembling an icon," but today it often describes what is so admired that it could be the subject of an icon. And with that use, iconic has become part of the language of advertising and publicity: companies and magazines and TV hosts encourage us to think of some consumer item or pop star or show as first-rate or immortal or flawless—absolutely "iconic"—when that person or thing is actually simply widely known and—they assert—distinctively excellent. A word used to show great approval over something. It is generally always used in modern media, especially scenes. When you say somethings is "iconic", you're saying it is the best out of anything else. "Iconic" has been overused to the point where it doesn't have any particular meaning remaining. Recently on Data Lounge there have been posts referencing "iconic statistics" and "iconic years". Not a single article about the Notre Dame fire was able to avoid the i-word. Do writers think it makes them sound clever or profound? To me it signals the opposite. It is a surefire indicator of at best sloppy thinking and writing, and at worst simple ignorance.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 23, 2023 14:39:43 GMT
''Misuse'' of ironic. See ''misuse'' of iconic. Also legend
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 23, 2023 14:53:16 GMT
''Misuse'' of ironic. See ''misuse'' of iconic. Also legend Agree KP, Just looking at football, every team has past players or managers that they deem to be of legendary status, i have done it many times... For e.g..Bradford, Biggs, Holloway, Hooper, Jarman, Mabbutt, Taylor, Randall, Whatley and a few others are generally called 'legends' at our great club.. Are these players worthy of this title..?..whereas Rickie Lambert is also lauded as a legend, is this right too..?
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jun 23, 2023 15:12:19 GMT
''Misuse'' of ironic. See ''misuse'' of iconic. Also legend Plus 'hero'.
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jun 23, 2023 15:16:46 GMT
It's a coincidence, but it's not ironic. I blame Alanis Morissette. I stand corrected... The historical record shows that irony and ironic have been used imprecisely for almost 100 years at least, and often to refer to coincidence. This 1939 quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald is typical: "It is an ironic thought that the last picture job I took—against my better judgment—yielded me five thousand dollars five hundred and cost over four thousand in medical attention." Is this true situational irony? It’s debatable. The word irony has come to be applied to events that are merely curious or coincidental, and while some feel this is an incorrect use of the word, it is merely a new one. Ironical is a word that seems wrong when I see it. I often see people write 'defiantly' when they mean definitely.
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 24, 2023 9:45:22 GMT
It's a coincidence, but it's not ironic. I blame Alanis Morissette. I stand corrected... The historical record shows that irony and ironic have been used imprecisely for almost 100 years at least, and often to refer to coincidence. This 1939 quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald is typical: "It is an ironic thought that the last picture job I took—against my better judgment—yielded me five thousand dollars five hundred and cost over four thousand in medical attention." Is this true situational irony? It’s debatable. The word irony has come to be applied to events that are merely curious or coincidental, and while some feel this is an incorrect use of the word, it is merely a new one. I did have a quick look at dictionary interpretations of the word irony/ironic. Nothing mentions curious / coincidental (but then again I only referenced English interpretations of the word). I would conclude it is down to America's deliberate attempt to b*****dise the English language. Note the 's' and not the 'z', and the latter pronouned 'zed' and not 'zee'. If F. Scott Fitzgerald can't get it right, what hope is there for the rest of them? To conclude, irony is just like goldy and bronzy, but it's made out of iron. (Copyright Blackadder).
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