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Post by eppinggas on Sept 4, 2020 16:08:19 GMT
Well it is the Championship so they all probably are! Yes, likely to be several and when they are caught they are punished. It’s just that the punishment doesn’t always fit the crime and the EFL has the turning circle of the  and works at a snail’s pace. Charlton fans must be severely jarred off about the timing of the Sheffield Wednesday punishment. Of course Wycombe will likely go down but it is a great story and I rate Ainsworth as a manager and think he squeezes everything out of his players. Not being a betting person I don’t know how the bookies use punishments or when they eventually pay out when punishments or appeals are pending. UTG! edit: That’s very clever. I typed the word and when it appeared it’s in the form of an emoji! It's a brilliant bit of programming by Admin. Edit. I lied. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2020 16:17:04 GMT
Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. If Gareth has a few tricks up his sleeve... he's got them well hidden. 7 straight losses for cheats FC. 2 goals for, 15 against. 1-6 to go down. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 22, 2020 13:50:14 GMT
At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. If Gareth has a few tricks up his sleeve... he's got them well hidden. 7 straight losses for cheats FC. 2 goals for, 15 against. 1-6 to go down. Still likely to go down but they are not getting beaten easily. Looks like team have to work hard for wins against them. Sounds as if they are still frustrating teams after yesterday’s draw with Brentford. UTG! |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 22, 2020 14:55:45 GMT
If Gareth has a few tricks up his sleeve... he's got them well hidden. 7 straight losses for cheats FC. 2 goals for, 15 against. 1-6 to go down. Still likely to go down but they are not getting beaten easily. Looks like team have to work hard for wins against them. Sounds as if they are still frustrating teams after yesterday’s draw with Brentford. UTG! They will always be an absolute nightmare to play against. It makes sense to me for them to play that way especially in the Championship. They had one of the lowest wagebills in League 1 so it would be ridiculous to try to go toe to toe with Championship. The strategy makes perfect sense. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 23, 2020 9:15:04 GMT
If Gareth has a few tricks up his sleeve... he's got them well hidden. 7 straight losses for cheats FC. 2 goals for, 15 against. 1-6 to go down. Still likely to go down but they are not getting beaten easily. Looks like team have to work hard for wins against them. Sounds as if they are still frustrating teams after yesterday’s draw with Brentford. UTG! Well they've found a way to frustrate (ie cheat) teams and are picking up the odd draw (and wins, which I hadn't noticed). I guess teams will suss out this 'tactic' and the draws will becomes losses as the season progresses. Basically, I just can't stand Wycombe. Yup, fairly irrational I know. They shouldn't be allowed to play in quarters. Pub team from Bucks. Refused to try and make the pitch playable when we were 3-1 up. That's cheating. Tightened to 1/4 best odds now to go down. £40 down to win £10. In a zero interest rate environment... that still looks quite attractive |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 23, 2020 19:41:18 GMT
That’s better epping! Just rely upon old-fashioned hatred, it short circuits the need for any reasoned argument! 😉
I apologise for trying to inject some reason into the thread!! Whatever, I think, like you, that they’ll go down and in the end who cares? Blimey, not even proper quarters, for proper quarters you need white as one colour.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 24, 2020 9:06:15 GMT
That’s better epping! Just rely upon old-fashioned hatred, it short circuits the need for any reasoned argument! 😉 I apologise for trying to inject some reason into the thread!! Whatever, I think, like you, that they’ll go down and in the end who cares? Blimey, not even proper quarters, for proper quarters you need white as one colour. UTG! I never said "hate"! I am happy with "irrational strong dislike" though. For the prosecution I would like to add... 1. They relegated us to tier 4 for the first time in our history in the penultimate game of the 1999-2000 season (1-2). 2. When we beat them 2-1 away on the penultimate game of 2013-2014... that pretty much guaranteed our league survival and their relegation to the conference. Only cheats fc winning at Torquay and a very unlikely home defeat by Mansfield would see us relegated out of the league for the first time in our history. Yeah, we know what happened next. 3. My youngest daughter has only ever seen one Bristol Rovers game. A dire 0-0 against cheats fc last season. I thoroughly enjoy it when they lose. I can't deny it. UTG. |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 24, 2020 13:43:41 GMT
That’s better epping! Just rely upon old-fashioned hatred, it short circuits the need for any reasoned argument! 😉 I apologise for trying to inject some reason into the thread!! Whatever, I think, like you, that they’ll go down and in the end who cares? Blimey, not even proper quarters, for proper quarters you need white as one colour. UTG! I never said "hate"! I am happy with "irrational strong dislike" though. For the prosecution I would like to add... 1. They relegated us to tier 4 for the first time in our history in the penultimate game of the 1999-2000 season (1-2). 2. When we beat them 2-1 away on the penultimate game of 2013-2014... that pretty much guaranteed our league survival and their relegation to the conference. Only cheats fc winning at Torquay and a very unlikely home defeat by Mansfield would see us relegated out of the league for the first time in our history. Yeah, we know what happened next. 3. My youngest daughter has only ever seen one Bristol Rovers game. A dire 0-0 against cheats fc last season. I thoroughly enjoy it when they lose. I can't deny it. UTG. I can see the case for not liking Wycombe as a Rovers fan. I think it's pretty iron clad to be honest.
But I have a sneaking regard for teams that make the most of their resources by creating a bunker 'us against the World' thing that offends the purity of football sensibilities. I was a big fan of how much Stoke used to wind all the football purists up - Arsene Wenger's annual meltdown when his precious little diddy men were breathed on by Stoke players was an annual joy. So Ainsworth is my kind of guy - although I admit it's as frustrating as hell to watch your team get suckered by pretty basic gamesmanship antics every single time but that's more to do with our cluelessness. I like streetwise teams that push the margins - I enjoy watching Atletico Madrid for example.
I'm probably the only Rovers fan with a softspot for Notts County as well - just call me a willful contrarian.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 10:32:52 GMT
That’s better epping! Just rely upon old-fashioned hatred, it short circuits the need for any reasoned argument! 😉 I apologise for trying to inject some reason into the thread!! Whatever, I think, like you, that they’ll go down and in the end who cares? Blimey, not even proper quarters, for proper quarters you need white as one colour. UTG! I never said "hate"! I am happy with "irrational strong dislike" though. For the prosecution I would like to add... 1. They relegated us to tier 4 for the first time in our history in the penultimate game of the 1999-2000 season (1-2). 2. When we beat them 2-1 away on the penultimate game of 2013-2014... that pretty much guaranteed our league survival and their relegation to the conference. Only cheats fc winning at Torquay and a very unlikely home defeat by Mansfield would see us relegated out of the league for the first time in our history. Yeah, we know what happened next. 3. My youngest daughter has only ever seen one Bristol Rovers game. A dire 0-0 against cheats fc last season. I thoroughly enjoy it when they lose. I can't deny it. UTG. No you didn’t!! I apologise but tbh that’s just semantics because I think you do!!! 😉 I think when they relegated us (in 2001, I think not 2000. 2000 was when we messed up the promotion under Ollie, Monday evening in 2001 was it? I haven’t checked), I too hated them. Anyway, don’t disagree with anything you say except on that horrible May Day in ‘14 I think I hated us more than anything. How did we mess that up? UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 10:44:28 GMT
I never said "hate"! I am happy with "irrational strong dislike" though. For the prosecution I would like to add... 1. They relegated us to tier 4 for the first time in our history in the penultimate game of the 1999-2000 season (1-2). 2. When we beat them 2-1 away on the penultimate game of 2013-2014... that pretty much guaranteed our league survival and their relegation to the conference. Only cheats fc winning at Torquay and a very unlikely home defeat by Mansfield would see us relegated out of the league for the first time in our history. Yeah, we know what happened next. 3. My youngest daughter has only ever seen one Bristol Rovers game. A dire 0-0 against cheats fc last season. I thoroughly enjoy it when they lose. I can't deny it. UTG. I can see the case for not liking Wycombe as a Rovers fan. I think it's pretty iron clad to be honest.
But I have a sneaking regard for teams that make the most of their resources by creating a bunker 'us against the World' thing that offends the purity of football sensibilities. I was a big fan of how much Stoke used to wind all the football purists up - Arsene Wenger's annual meltdown when his precious little diddy men were breathed on by Stoke players was an annual joy. So Ainsworth is my kind of guy - although I admit it's as frustrating as hell to watch your team get suckered by pretty basic gamesmanship antics every single time but that's more to do with our cluelessness. I like streetwise teams that push the margins - I enjoy watching Atletico Madrid for example.
I'm probably the only Rovers fan with a softspot for Notts County as well - just call me a willful contrarian.
Yes, that’s pretty much it. It’s why after years of AFCB being potless, when they got promotion it was good to see as a story. Lots of the pundits didnt like AFCB in the PL because it’s all about the big clubs. Yet AFCB went against the grain, not only were they in the PL they were also playing attractive football. How dare they! It was a great story, similar to Stoke but different. I don’t like Wycombe at all but I guess I have a high regard for GA and what he’s done there. He gets every bit out of his players and makes most of what he has. Its like Notts Co. I don’t really have this thing that some gasheads seem to have with them. I once went there and was treated as well as I’ve been treated anywhere and a lot better than 99% of places I’ve been so I quite like them. I think I save my most fervent dislike for the other lot south of the river. Perhaps it’s the sense of entitlement I dislike most, disliking clubs that seem to think they’re owed a place a the top table. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 25, 2020 12:11:17 GMT
I never said "hate"! I am happy with "irrational strong dislike" though. For the prosecution I would like to add... 1. They relegated us to tier 4 for the first time in our history in the penultimate game of the 1999-2000 season (1-2). 2. When we beat them 2-1 away on the penultimate game of 2013-2014... that pretty much guaranteed our league survival and their relegation to the conference. Only cheats fc winning at Torquay and a very unlikely home defeat by Mansfield would see us relegated out of the league for the first time in our history. Yeah, we know what happened next. 3. My youngest daughter has only ever seen one Bristol Rovers game. A dire 0-0 against cheats fc last season. I thoroughly enjoy it when they lose. I can't deny it. UTG. No you didn’t!! I apologise but tbh that’s just semantics because I think you do!!! 😉 I think when they relegated us (in 2001, I think not 2000. 2000 was when we messed up the promotion under Ollie, Monday evening in 2001 was it? I haven’t checked), I too hated them. Anyway, don’t disagree with anything you say except on that horrible May Day in ‘14 I think I hated us more than anything. How did we mess that up? UTG! Yup - apologies, 'twas the 2000-2001 season. I am still too traumatised to check... Definitely not a Saturday, else I would have been there. I think we then beat Wrexham 4-0 on the Saturday, but our fate was already sealed by then. Relegated by a single point. And yes, the season before we were riding high until the very last game of the season and lost to already relegated Cardiff to dip out of the play-off places for the first time all season. FFS. It's hard work being a Gashead. I'm often asked in Essex why I support Bristol Rovers. My stock answer is: "it's a sh*t job, but someone's got to do it". |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 12:24:45 GMT
Yes it’s funny isn’t it. When you live away from the club you support people always ask about what team you support. When I say I was Bristol born and bred and I say I’m a Gashead, several people just laugh and say I chose the wrong team. I just reply you don’t chose a team, it just happens and before you know it.... Something else is that when you get talking esp to people in Bournemouth how they remember our rivalry in the 70s and 90s and 00s.
They also laugh and say that overall they prefer us to the other lot but I’m never sure if that’s out of pity or anything else! 😭😭😭
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Post by irishrover on Nov 25, 2020 12:26:41 GMT
I can see the case for not liking Wycombe as a Rovers fan. I think it's pretty iron clad to be honest.
But I have a sneaking regard for teams that make the most of their resources by creating a bunker 'us against the World' thing that offends the purity of football sensibilities. I was a big fan of how much Stoke used to wind all the football purists up - Arsene Wenger's annual meltdown when his precious little diddy men were breathed on by Stoke players was an annual joy. So Ainsworth is my kind of guy - although I admit it's as frustrating as hell to watch your team get suckered by pretty basic gamesmanship antics every single time but that's more to do with our cluelessness. I like streetwise teams that push the margins - I enjoy watching Atletico Madrid for example.
I'm probably the only Rovers fan with a softspot for Notts County as well - just call me a willful contrarian.
Yes, that’s pretty much it. It’s why after years of AFCB being potless, when they got promotion it was good to see as a story. Lots of the pundits didnt like AFCB in the PL because it’s all about the big clubs. Yet AFCB went against the grain, not only were they in the PL they were also playing attractive football. How dare they! It was a great story, similar to Stoke but different. I don’t like Wycombe at all but I guess I have a high regard for GA and what he’s done there. He gets every bit out of his players and makes most of what he has. Its like Notts Co. I don’t really have this thing that some gasheads seem to have with them. I once went there and was treated as well as I’ve been treated anywhere and a lot better than 99% of places I’ve been so I quite like them. I think I save my most fervent dislike for the other lot south of the river. Perhaps it’s the sense of entitlement I dislike most, disliking clubs that seem to think they’re owed a place a the top table. UTG! I guess I'm a bit strange. I've never seen football as the 'beautiful game'. To me what attracts me to football is the competitiveness, the toughness, the passion. All of that interests me a lot more than the idea that I'm watching some sort of brilliant aesthetic festival. I'm told that lots of young people now apparently prefer watching Barcelona or Liverpool thrash someone 5/6-0 with silky play then a competitive match which could go either but where they are constantly frustrated in their attacking efforts. I find that depressing - might as well watch the Harlem Globetrotters. To me skill is fine and can be very impressive. But skill without real proper hard nosed competition is largely meaningless. My idea of a great game of football is that ding-dong Rovers had with Fleetwood just before Christmas 2 years ago. Very physcial encounter, lots of controversial incident and we get a righteous winner at the end to take the roof off!
So I tend to have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about pundits and managers who are obsessed with the game being played 'the right way' and some of the po-faced commentary towards sides that don't fit the bill. Currently it's Burnley who really annoy the purists - I like that! I like that there are different football cultures too. Tell a Uruguayan that they shouldn't dive or foul and they will laugh at you and say 'then you are not playing netball not football' - I've played 5-a-side with Uruguayans and watched World Cup matches with them and they will applaud dives and fouls by their team and even acknowledge good ones by the opposition! They just see pushing the boundaries of the rules as a fundamental part of the game not as a violation of its principles - they are proud that this is the way they can even the odds against bigger more successful countries. This is something I like - I admit this makes me very un-English though!
Strangely when it comes to cricket I generally have the complete opposite view and am highly committed to the game being played 'the right way' to the point that as a captain I have dropped people who behaved poorly on the field. I just don't see the same thing in football. No idea why. I guess it makes me a complete hypocrit!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 12:47:22 GMT
No, I get that completely irish.
I wonder if it’s the way you were brought up and started watching football. Perhaps if you’ve channelled vision to the top tiers of European football and have been brought up with Sky and all their “football only exists as a pure skill at the very top” attitude then you’ll never acknowledge football lower down. My first season at Rovers was going with my grandad and being plonked on the fence at the front of the South Stand whilst he was with his mates and watching from there. Never worried me, close to the pitch, close to the action. It’s why even today I don’t want to sit in a soulless bowl where everything looks neat and tidy. I accept that’s the way, for commercial reasons, that football is going but I like the quirky, the untidy, the watching of “real” football all over.
My sons look at me strangely when I’ve said I went to Dorchester (neat ground) or Weymouth (not a neat ground!) and have watched real football. I enjoyed watching PL football for 5 years but I also wondered at the “emperors new clothes” syndrome where everyone said how wonderful it was but I saw enough players who couldn’t trap a ball and move in the same action, wingers who couldn’t clear the first defender when crossing and players who when touched would go down as if they were dead. I thought what are they seeing that I don’t? I suppose if it had been us I would have had a different opinion, but it was AFCB and to me that’s meh!! It was ok but it wasn’t great. It was the competition that was the attractive aspect. (Until Covid took that away, I’m still convinced that AFCB would have stayed up if it had been normal. Rather than a Chinese conspiracy I think Covid was an Aston Villa-styled-conspiracy!)
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and works at a snail’s pace. Charlton fans must be severely jarred off about the timing of the Sheffield Wednesday punishment. Of course Wycombe will likely go down but it is a great story and I rate Ainsworth as a manager and think he squeezes everything out of his players.