DCR
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Post by DCR on Jul 28, 2020 9:09:12 GMT
Premier League releasing their fixtures on 24th August.
I think our fixtures are usually released shortly after those.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 30, 2020 12:47:39 GMT
Premier League releasing their fixtures on 24th August.
I think our fixtures are usually released shortly after those.
Championship now released |
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Post by kidgas on Jul 30, 2020 16:55:54 GMT
Premier League releasing their fixtures on 24th August.
I think our fixtures are usually released shortly after those.
Championship now released Hi KP, how can Championship fixtures have been released when they haven't even completed their playoffs yet? |
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Post by Rex on Jul 30, 2020 19:19:51 GMT
Championship now released Hi KP, how can Championship fixtures have been released when they haven't even completed their playoffs yet? The Scottish Championship fixtures were released today, I guess that's where the confusion lies. |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jul 30, 2020 19:26:47 GMT
KP old chap,we don't know yet if Brentford or Fulham will be promoted to the Premier so doubt the Championship fixtures can be out yet.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 31, 2020 14:31:52 GMT
KP old chap,we don't know yet if Brentford or Fulham will be promoted to the Premier so doubt the Championship fixtures can be out yet. Rex had it right. Sorry |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 8:34:19 GMT
I was hoping that season ticket holders at the very least would have been allowed into stadiums again this side of Christmas but with the current negative reports regarding Covd-19 I can't see it happening this year. How the hell can football clubs in the lower leagues survive with no gate income?
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 1, 2020 11:48:22 GMT
I was hoping that season ticket holders at the very least would have been allowed into stadiums again this side of Christmas but with the current negative reports regarding Covd-19 I can't see it happening this year. How the hell can football clubs in the lower leagues survive with no gate income? iFollow subscription and loyal supporters happy to pay for it? Maybe that keeps heads above water til 2021. Interesting that we have seen huge sales in the new shirt, helping cash flow. We all have a part to play. Alternatively "selling" your ground to a shell company and (I presume) then leasing it back from them is becoming quite popular as a one off accounting trick - Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County, Reading and Villa... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 14:45:19 GMT
I was hoping that season ticket holders at the very least would have been allowed into stadiums again this side of Christmas but with the current negative reports regarding Covd-19 I can't see it happening this year. How the hell can football clubs in the lower leagues survive with no gate income? iFollow subscription and loyal supporters happy to pay for it? Maybe that keeps heads above water til 2021. Interesting that we have seen huge sales in the new shirt, helping cash flow. We all have a part to play. Alternatively "selling" your ground to a shell company and (I presume) then leasing it back from them is becoming quite popular as a one off accounting trick - Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County, Reading and Villa... I was generalising but points taken. |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 2, 2020 8:11:06 GMT
iFollow subscription and loyal supporters happy to pay for it? Maybe that keeps heads above water til 2021. Interesting that we have seen huge sales in the new shirt, helping cash flow. We all have a part to play. Alternatively "selling" your ground to a shell company and (I presume) then leasing it back from them is becoming quite popular as a one off accounting trick - Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County, Reading and Villa... I was generalising but points taken. Given your extra level of insight... would you know what a 'typical' match day revenue would be? Gate receipts (inc season tickets) + food & drink - costs. It will be interesting to see how much the Club could make from just selling iFollow. I think it's a good product, I'd buy it. I'm guessing wildly - (say) 6000 people paying (say) £7.50 a game = £45,000? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 8:32:29 GMT
I was generalising but points taken. Given your extra level of insight... would you know what a 'typical' match day revenue would be? Gate receipts (inc season tickets) + food & drink - costs. It will be interesting to see how much the Club could make from just selling iFollow. I think it's a good product, I'd buy it. I'm guessing wildly - (say) 6000 people paying (say) £7.50 a game = £45,000? A wild, partly educated, guess would be £150k per home game less costs would be a minus figure as the club loses a fortune. I doubt 6,000 follow subscriptions would be achievable as families would share subscriptions. I think the club would be lucky to sell more than a couple of thousand. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 14:22:13 GMT
I fear we are underestimating how many of us want to go the ground with our families and mates, but have no interest in sitting around computer, tablet, or smartphone screens. I cannot see it adding up. Pessimistic. We shut the schools and opened the pubs, and COVID numbers have bottomed out, now creeping up again. I'm desperate for better news.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 2, 2020 15:58:00 GMT
I fear we are underestimating how many of us want to go the ground with our families and mates, but have no interest in sitting around computer, tablet, or smartphone screens. I cannot see it adding up. Pessimistic. We shut the schools and opened the pubs, and COVID numbers have bottomed out, now creeping up again. I'm desperate for better news. Of course I want to go to a game with my mates / son, but that's looking unlikely this year. So, would I pay to watch iFollow with no crowd and help my Club survive in the process? Yes, I would. I hope others would too. The EFL just need to make the iFollow price point realistic. I'm not as pessimistic as our avian friend. UTG. |
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 2, 2020 16:37:28 GMT
Watch the game on laptop. Zoom,or other app, mates on phone.
Make the best out of a bad situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 20:40:44 GMT
Watch the game on laptop. Zoom,or other app, mates on phone. Make the best out of a bad situation. Good on you, but it sounds awful. Let's hope I'm wrong. Do others watch 'I Follow' on smart TVs? Or hunched over smartphones and computers? |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Aug 3, 2020 9:02:07 GMT
Make the best out of a bad situation. ? Me? Hunched over computer. Pre-lockdown, I used ifollow for some of the (Away) mid-week matches, the (Home) cup games and the Sunderland home match. Positives: Saved, per match, £40 fuel, £20 ticket and maybe six hours travel / waiting time, for a £10 i-follow purchase. Negatives: I found it almost unbearably stressful! When you are at the match, you can take in the full picture on the field. The camera angle and "director's decisions" mean that you don't know what's just out of shot. When we're defending, I assume the worst! For the coming season, as a STH, I expect to watch some (all?) matches on ifollow. As laughingsas said, it will be making the best out of a bad situation. I look forward to seeing some of the away games on ifollow, though, which ordinarily I wouldn't get to. I assume Rovers, not the home club, would get revenue, if I buy an ifollow-pass for an away game on my registered Rovers' ifollow account? In normal circumstances, the revenue would go to the home club. Of course, the converse also applies: Rovers will miss out on revenue from away fans. So, in the spirit of making the best out of a bad situation, how could the loss of ticket revenue from fans attending the games be mitigated? Maybe ifollow can help out? Rovers would take about £1000 from 50 travelling Cod-Army fans for a Rovers v Fleetwood game. If 500 Rovers fans bought an ifollow-pass @ £10 each for the reverse fixture, Rovers would get 70% of £5,000 = £3,500. At the other extreme, Rovers would take about £30,000 from 1,500 travelling Sunderland fans. If 1000 Rovers fans bought an ifollow-pass @ £10 each for the reverse fixture, Rovers would get 70% of £10,000 = £ 7,000. For a more typical fixture, Rovers would take about £6,000 from 300 travelling fans visiting the Mem. If 500 Rovers fans bought an ifollow-pass @ £10 each for the reverse fixture, Rovers would get 70% of £5,000 = £3,500. |
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Post by jackthegas on Aug 3, 2020 11:01:47 GMT
I was hoping that season ticket holders at the very least would have been allowed into stadiums again this side of Christmas but with the current negative reports regarding Covd-19 I can't see it happening this year. How the hell can football clubs in the lower leagues survive with no gate income? Only possible if the Premier League are willing to divert significant sums of money to the football league in my opinion. If it becomes clear that supporters will not be allowed back into grounds without a vaccine, or effective treatment then is there any option other than to mothball everything except PL and Championship football for the foreseeable future? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:59:47 GMT
I was hoping that season ticket holders at the very least would have been allowed into stadiums again this side of Christmas but with the current negative reports regarding Covd-19 I can't see it happening this year. How the hell can football clubs in the lower leagues survive with no gate income? Only possible if the Premier League are willing to divert significant sums of money to the football league in my opinion. If it becomes clear that supporters will not be allowed back into grounds without a vaccine, or effective treatment then is there any option other than to mothball everything except PL and Championship football for the foreseeable future? There is pressure from the Premier League for a rule change so that lower league clubs can take up to 8 loan players. Many of the smallest clubs are reluctantly facing up to the fact that they might have to agree to the new rules to survive thus creating B teams across the lower leagues. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2020 12:37:34 GMT
Only possible if the Premier League are willing to divert significant sums of money to the football league in my opinion. If it becomes clear that supporters will not be allowed back into grounds without a vaccine, or effective treatment then is there any option other than to mothball everything except PL and Championship football for the foreseeable future? There is pressure from the Premier League for a rule change so that lower league clubs can take up to 8 loan players. Many of the smallest clubs are reluctantly facing up to the fact that they might have to agree to the new rules to survive thus creating B teams across the lower leagues. Many saw this coming but still didn’t want to believe it. The tin pot cup should have been a solid no show but there ya go. Ultimately we have no choice if we want to have a club |
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Post by jackthegas on Aug 4, 2020 15:03:06 GMT
Only possible if the Premier League are willing to divert significant sums of money to the football league in my opinion. If it becomes clear that supporters will not be allowed back into grounds without a vaccine, or effective treatment then is there any option other than to mothball everything except PL and Championship football for the foreseeable future? There is pressure from the Premier League for a rule change so that lower league clubs can take up to 8 loan players. Many of the smallest clubs are reluctantly facing up to the fact that they might have to agree to the new rules to survive thus creating B teams across the lower leagues. I think more loan players is an inevitability. One thing I think the Football League could do with immediate effect is to allow clubs to replace grass surfaces with 3G pitches. They could even offer a grant for clubs that choose to go down that route to cover the initial outlay. I was surprised yesterday to hear the manager of Harrogate Town saying that they were having to dig theirs up as a condition of entry to the league. That must cost them thousands up front, as well as reducing income. Doesn't seem like the right time to force clubs to reducing their revenue. |
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