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Post by toteend3 on Jul 5, 2020 8:53:08 GMT
After watching hundreds of revellers in Soho last night, with absolutely none of them social distancing or wearing protective masks - We are f###ed!
So that's effectively blown any hopes of a normal live football experience into the long grass. Forget September, assuming most of us get through the winter it's going to be Springtime before we are vaciniated and safe again.
Selfish or what!
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 5, 2020 9:08:56 GMT
After watching hundreds of revellers in Soho last night, with absolutely none of them social distancing or wearing protective masks - We are f###ed! So that's effectively blown any hopes of a normal live football experience into the long grass. Forget September, assuming most of us get through the winter it's going to be Springtime before we are vaciniated and safe again. Selfish or what! No different to the protestors 3 weeks ago, the unlicensed music gigs, the people on the beach, Liverpool city centre.
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 9:29:29 GMT
After watching hundreds of revellers in Soho last night, with absolutely none of them social distancing or wearing protective masks - We are f###ed! So that's effectively blown any hopes of a normal live football experience into the long grass. Forget September, assuming most of us get through the winter it's going to be Springtime before we are vaciniated and safe again. Selfish or what! No different to the protestors 3 weeks ago, the unlicensed music gigs, the people on the beach, Liverpool city centre. I think we all know that for some while now, social distancing has gone out of the window The Dominic Cummings incident, followed by the protests and counter protests put paid to that. The ridiculous sight of footballers socially distancing from each other while sat in the stands, but 5 minutes later jumping all over each other when they score just goes to show the whole thing has become a box ticking exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
No different to the protestors 3 weeks ago, the unlicensed music gigs, the people on the beach, Liverpool city centre. I think we all know that for some while now, social distancing has gone out of the window The Dominic Cummings incident, followed by the protests and counter protests put paid to that. The ridiculous sight of footballers socially distancing from each other while sat in the stands, but 5 minutes later jumping all over each other when they score just goes to show the whole thing has become a box ticking exercise. add the kinnocks to that, the mass parties happening with police attacked nightly in london too
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 11:29:18 GMT
I think we all know that for some while now, social distancing has gone out of the window The Dominic Cummings incident, followed by the protests and counter protests put paid to that. The ridiculous sight of footballers socially distancing from each other while sat in the stands, but 5 minutes later jumping all over each other when they score just goes to show the whole thing has become a box ticking exercise. add the kinnocks to that, the mass parties happening with police attacked nightly in london too I won't bite , I nearly did though
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 5, 2020 11:44:48 GMT
add the kinnocks to that, the mass parties happening with police attacked nightly in london too I won't bite , I nearly did though 🙂 It's a good point you make but I have a feeling we're getting back to some kind of normality. I for one will still be cautious. Got my haircut this morning for the first time in 3.5 months. Thank god...
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Post by toteend3 on Jul 5, 2020 14:56:21 GMT
After watching hundreds of revellers in Soho last night, with absolutely none of them social distancing or wearing protective masks - We are f###ed! So that's effectively blown any hopes of a normal live football experience into the long grass. Forget September, assuming most of us get through the winter it's going to be Springtime before we are vaciniated and safe again. Selfish or what! No different to the protestors 3 weeks ago, the unlicensed music gigs, the people on the beach, Liverpool city centre. Improntu raves, beach parties and large city centres on a saturday night tend to be made up of 20-30somethings, a lot of them still living at home. So by being so selfish and reckless theres every chance family members will catch it and some will die! The BLM Protest was a very mixed age range majority peaceful and wearing masks, two my daughters went, both considered it was safe and there appears to have been no Spike. Also Colston finally got his comeupencep with a dunking in the docks!
Hopefully the vaccine will come ahead of time because we surely wont get any help from the youngsters. UTG
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 15:00:32 GMT
No different to the protestors 3 weeks ago, the unlicensed music gigs, the people on the beach, Liverpool city centre. Improntu raves, beach parties and large city centres on a saturday night tend to be made up of 20-30somethings, a lot of them still living at home. So by being so selfish and reckless theres every chance family members will catch it and some will die! The BLM Protest was a very mixed age range majority peaceful and wearing masks, two my daughters went, both considered it was safe and there appears to have been no Spike. Also Colston finally got his comeupencep with a dunking in the docks!
Hopefully the vaccine will come ahead of time because we surely wont get any help from the youngsters. UTG So how was the BLM protest any more responsible (on a social distancing level) to any of the other mass gatherings you mentioned?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 15:26:15 GMT
add the kinnocks to that, the mass parties happening with police attacked nightly in london too I won't bite , I nearly did though I'll give you something else to tempt you in that case; Tahir Ali attending a funeral. Kevan Jones attended a birthday party. Labour's health minister Vaughan Gething breaking specific Welsh guidance by stopping for a picnic whilst out walking. None of them sacked, yet repeated calls for Cumming's to go. Nothing to see here, just the usual hypocrisy from both sides of politics. Always the same with these people, as soon as they get a sniff of power it's 'do as I say, not as I do'. Meanwhile, back in BS7...
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 15:48:43 GMT
I won't bite , I nearly did though I'll give you something else to tempt you in that case; Tahir Ali attending a funeral. Kevan Jones attended a birthday party. Labour's health minister Vaughan Gething breaking specific Welsh guidance by stopping for a picnic whilst out walking. None of them sacked, yet repeated calls for Cumming's to go. Nothing to see here, just the usual hypocrisy from both sides of politics. Always the same with these people, as soon as they get a sniff of power it's 'do as I say, not as I do'. Meanwhile, back in BS7... Okay- I will have a nibble. There are countless examples of people of all sorts of political persuasions breaking lockdown rules. However, Dominic Cummings, while not be actually elected by anyone - there's an irony btw, Dominic Cummings being one of the 'unelected elite' he warned us all about- was and is someone who has a very large influence on this government. That we had to listen to that absolute disgrace of press conference which he lied his way through was a low point in British politics. I would have had infinitely more respect for our Prime Minister , if he had said ' Yes Dominic has been a naughty boy, sorry about that, I've had a word, but on balance I think he is an important member of our team, so he will be staying'. It was a real 'we can do what we like moment' and reminded me of a low point in our own clubs history, when our board continued to sell coach tickets to Cheltenham for people to 'view their seats' when they knew full well we weren't going there (as you can tell I hold a grudge on that one) I doubt very much Cummings actions in themselves put anyone in serious danger, but it certainly set a precedent. That followed by the BLM protests, followed by the , err, statue defenders (several of whom I knew and most were more interested in posing for selfies with their cans of Thatchers), showed that for an ever increasing amount of people , there isn't an appetite for social distancing any more. I think we are now in a situation for the individual to decide whether they want to expose themselves to possible infection or not, I wish we could just stop the bulls**t & hypocrisy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:03:13 GMT
I'll give you something else to tempt you in that case; Tahir Ali attending a funeral. Kevan Jones attended a birthday party. Labour's health minister Vaughan Gething breaking specific Welsh guidance by stopping for a picnic whilst out walking. None of them sacked, yet repeated calls for Cumming's to go. Nothing to see here, just the usual hypocrisy from both sides of politics. Always the same with these people, as soon as they get a sniff of power it's 'do as I say, not as I do'. Meanwhile, back in BS7... Okay- I will have a nibble. There are countless examples of people of all sorts of political persuasions breaking lockdown rules. However, Dominic Cummings, while not be actually elected by anyone - there's an irony btw, Dominic Cummings being one of the 'unelected elite' he warned us all about- was and is someone who has a very large influence on this government. That we had to listen to that absolute disgrace of press conference which he lied his way through was a low point in British politics. I would have had infinitely more respect for our Prime Minister , if he had said ' Yes Dominic has been a naughty boy, sorry about that, I've had a word, but on balance I think he is an important member of our team, so he will be staying'. It was a real 'we can do what we like moment' and reminded me of a low point in our own clubs history, when our board continued to sell coach tickets to Cheltenham for people to 'view their seats' when they knew full well we weren't going there (as you can tell I hold a grudge on that one) I doubt very much Cummings actions in themselves put anyone in serious danger, but it certainly set a precedent. That followed by the BLM protests, followed by the , err, statue defenders (several of whom I knew and most were more interested in posing for selfies with their cans of Thatchers), showed that for an ever increasing amount of people , there isn't an appetite for social distancing any more. I think we are now in a situation for the individual to decide whether they want to expose themselves to possible infection or not, I wish we could just stop the bulls*** & hypocrisy. I can think of a long list of political issues, from both sides, red and blue, which are considerably more troubling than Cumming's deciding to get away from London, then going for a drive. If we could trust what a single one of them said then maybe people would listen to the advice around the virus situation and act appropriately. It's played out here in this exchange between us, Cummings should be sacked, how many times did we hear that, yet all 4 of those Labour MPs still hold their positions. And if the position were the other way around and it was a Labour advisor that had done what Cummings did and 4 Tory MPs who blatantly broke the rules then all 4 Tory MPs would still be in place whilst the Conservatives would be screaming for the Labour guy to be sacked. It's all pathetic.
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 16:28:04 GMT
Okay- I will have a nibble. There are countless examples of people of all sorts of political persuasions breaking lockdown rules. However, Dominic Cummings, while not be actually elected by anyone - there's an irony btw, Dominic Cummings being one of the 'unelected elite' he warned us all about- was and is someone who has a very large influence on this government. That we had to listen to that absolute disgrace of press conference which he lied his way through was a low point in British politics. I would have had infinitely more respect for our Prime Minister , if he had said ' Yes Dominic has been a naughty boy, sorry about that, I've had a word, but on balance I think he is an important member of our team, so he will be staying'. It was a real 'we can do what we like moment' and reminded me of a low point in our own clubs history, when our board continued to sell coach tickets to Cheltenham for people to 'view their seats' when they knew full well we weren't going there (as you can tell I hold a grudge on that one) I doubt very much Cummings actions in themselves put anyone in serious danger, but it certainly set a precedent. That followed by the BLM protests, followed by the , err, statue defenders (several of whom I knew and most were more interested in posing for selfies with their cans of Thatchers), showed that for an ever increasing amount of people , there isn't an appetite for social distancing any more. I think we are now in a situation for the individual to decide whether they want to expose themselves to possible infection or not, I wish we could just stop the bulls*** & hypocrisy. I can think of a long list of political issues, from both sides, red and blue, which are considerably more troubling than Cumming's deciding to get away from London, then going for a drive. If we could trust what a single one of them said then maybe people would listen to the advice around the virus situation and act appropriately. It's played out here in this exchange between us, Cummings should be sacked, how many times did we hear that, yet all 4 of those Labour MPs still hold their positions. And if the position were the other way around and it was a Labour advisor that had done what Cummings did and 4 Tory MPs who blatantly broke the rules then all 4 Tory MPs would still be in place whilst the Conservatives would be screaming for the Labour guy to be sacked. It's all pathetic. Just to clarify, I am not saying Cummings should have been sacked. I am saying that if the PM did not want him sacked , he should have had the balls to say so rather than the charade that followed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:43:47 GMT
I can think of a long list of political issues, from both sides, red and blue, which are considerably more troubling than Cumming's deciding to get away from London, then going for a drive. If we could trust what a single one of them said then maybe people would listen to the advice around the virus situation and act appropriately. It's played out here in this exchange between us, Cummings should be sacked, how many times did we hear that, yet all 4 of those Labour MPs still hold their positions. And if the position were the other way around and it was a Labour advisor that had done what Cummings did and 4 Tory MPs who blatantly broke the rules then all 4 Tory MPs would still be in place whilst the Conservatives would be screaming for the Labour guy to be sacked. It's all pathetic. Just to clarify, I am not saying Cummings should have been sacked. I am saying that if the PM did not want him sacked , he should have had the balls to say so rather than the charade that followed. That's because he was the architect of the referendum and election wins, in all honesty, Starmer would have acted in the exact same way had Cummings been his Man. Does that make it right? Nope. Is it normal in politics? Yep. We can look at the conduct of Mandelson and Campbell for comparison. Enough from me, I get told off for doing politics on here.
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Jul 5, 2020 17:01:33 GMT
Meanwhile, would you be happy to attend a Rovers match? I, for one, would have no problem and indeed was at the Sunderland game 3 days before the lockdown. And I'm 67, so not a 20-30 year old who couldn't care less. I feel the time has come now to go back to real normal as it's only 1 in 2500 people now infected.
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Post by Rex on Jul 5, 2020 17:02:44 GMT
Just to clarify, I am not saying Cummings should have been sacked. I am saying that if the PM did not want him sacked , he should have had the balls to say so rather than the charade that followed. That's because he was the architect of the referendum and election wins, in all honesty, Starmer would have acted in the exact same way had Cummings been his Man. Does that make it right? Nope. Is it normal in politics? Yep. We can look at the conduct of Mandelson and Campbell for comparison. Enough from me, I get told off for doing politics on here. Mandelson , Campbell and Cummings are peas in a pod, but that isn't what I was talking about. 'What about Labour' has very little relevance and your arguments normally have a little more substance to them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:08:34 GMT
That's because he was the architect of the referendum and election wins, in all honesty, Starmer would have acted in the exact same way had Cummings been his Man. Does that make it right? Nope. Is it normal in politics? Yep. We can look at the conduct of Mandelson and Campbell for comparison. Enough from me, I get told off for doing politics on here. Mandelson , Campbell and Cummings are peas in a pod, but that isn't what I was talking about. 'What about Labour' has very little relevance and your arguments normally have a little more substance to them Not saying 'what about one side or the other', I'm saying that they are all sh1tweasels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 19:46:51 GMT
Mandelson , Campbell and Cummings are peas in a pod, but that isn't what I was talking about. 'What about Labour' has very little relevance and your arguments normally have a little more substance to them Not saying 'what about one side or the other', I'm saying that they are all sh1tweasels. [ pm sent to oldie complaining BG is doing serious stuff ]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 20:02:39 GMT
Not saying 'what about one side or the other', I'm saying that they are all sh1tweasels. [ pm sent to oldie complaigning BG is doing serious stuff ] Tell him I've bought him Starkey's latest book for Christmas, that'll cheer him up.
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Post by Delsy on Jul 7, 2020 11:07:58 GMT
I think League One & Two football played behind closed doors would be akin to a London City Pub on a weekend i.e. not worth opening up for. If all of this depressing lock yourself away stuff is going to continue for the remainder of 2020 then I feel it would be unviable for most of the lower league clubs to participate in a full season, afterall it doesn't look as if any of the top flight money is going to filter it's way down any time soon does it ?
Maybe a shorter season is the answer, start around January and have only twenty three games playing each side just the once, home and aways out of a hat but an even amount of both, well almost even and with ups, downs and play off positions all determined in the same way after just the one round of fixtures,then hopefully by August time of next year things would have got back to some sort of normality and the 2021/22 season can kick on as normal from there.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 7, 2020 12:11:02 GMT
I think League One & Two football played behind closed doors would be akin to a London City Pub on a weekend i.e. not worth opening up for. If all of this depressing lock yourself away stuff is going to continue for the remainder of 2020 then I feel it would be unviable for most of the lower league clubs to participate in a full season, afterall it doesn't look as if any of the top flight money is going to filter it's way down any time soon does it ? Maybe a shorter season is the answer, start around January and have only twenty three games playing each side just the once, home and aways out of a hat but an even amount of both, well almost even and with ups, downs and play off positions all determined in the same way after just the one round of fixtures,then hopefully by August time of next year things would have got back to some sort of normality and the 2021/22 season can kick on as normal from there. From a health / Covid point of view that could happen, January before crowds are allowed to return. But from a football POV it probably makes little financial sense. If you’re right about top flight money not filtering down to the lower leagues then it will be even more important that those clubs have their own income streams and that will mean a full season of 23 home games I would have thought. Some will think health considerations are more important others will prioritise football returning. I suspect the authorities will try to please both and do neither. Perhaps a September/October start with a full season. I don’t know really and until the authorities, Government, FA, EFL decide upon the start date I guess we’ll all be left guessing. I saw two possible dates 29th August or 12th September for possible start dates on the EFL website but no confirmation. Once that’s known everything else will fit around it. UTG!
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