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Post by syg on Jun 28, 2020 13:57:59 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do.
I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player.
So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club?
As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty.
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Post by westie on Jun 29, 2020 1:06:11 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do. I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player. So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club? As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty. I think you mean *Prohibits*, not permits. But moving on... It sounds more like you went spoiling for a Twitter spat, and posted something you knew would wind someone up, and now you've had to run away like a child and block them and have a little cry about it here? I'd bet you have also had similar interactions with your friends and family, when you most like post "All Lives Matter" in relation to BLM, knowing full well what the current zeitgeist is, and also knowing full well the responses you'll get. I think you need to put the Twitter down, not the players
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Post by Rex on Jun 29, 2020 7:43:23 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do. I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player. So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club? As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty. I don't really understand how Twitter works, so I could be way off the mark here, but these reads like you want players banned from it, because one of them didn't agree with you and then didn't want to get involved with a side argument . I will say though, that it is slightly worrying in the current climate, that if you question certain things you are labelled a pariah by many. Jonathan Pies seems to be the only person in the world speaking any sense these days
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Post by syg on Jun 29, 2020 11:38:34 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do. I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player. So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club? As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty. I think you mean *Prohibits*, not permits. But moving on... It sounds more like you went spoiling for a Twitter spat, and posted something you knew would wind someone up, and now you've had to run away like a child and block them and have a little cry about it here? I'd bet you have also had similar interactions with your friends and family, when you most like post "All Lives Matter" in relation to BLM, knowing full well what the current zeitgeist is, and also knowing full well the responses you'll get. I think you need to put the Twitter down, not the players No, I was simply responding to something, I hate arguments, but sensible reasoned debates seem to have gone out of the Window. Accusing someone of racism seems to be one of the default comments when you disagree with someone, it's even worse when you have been racially abused. Another is the "you are with us or against us". No room for another opinion then, or maybe you don't have an opinion at all. This is how ridiculous things have become. A pro football player, is supportive of a group who's website is anti capatilist, whilst getting paid for being almost permanently injured and writing an article for the post. At the same time it posts anti semetic remarks whilst I'm advised I'm racist or stupid. Plus ofcourse I'm helping pay his salary. That's it. Migraine.
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Post by syg on Jun 29, 2020 11:42:02 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do. I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player. So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club? As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty. I don't really understand how Twitter works, so I could be way off the mark here, but these reads like you want players banned from it, because one of them didn't agree with you and then didn't want to get involved with a side argument . I will say though, that it is slightly worrying in the current climate, that if you question certain things you are labelled a pariah by many. Jonathan Pies seems to be the only person in the world speaking any sense these days No, no. I think you need to use it to understand. I think social media is becoming more dysfunctional. No point in having free speech and debate when people are so polarised they can't cope with anything out of their perspective without unpleasantness.
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Post by Angas on Jun 29, 2020 11:45:05 GMT
That's the problem with the written word. Too many misunderstandings. We've had managers in the past who have warned players against the wisdom of using social media, and with good reason imo. I recall Chris Lines receiving messages which caused him upset at one time and I'm sure he's not the only one. Why put yourself out there
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Post by Rex on Jun 29, 2020 14:45:40 GMT
I don't really understand how Twitter works, so I could be way off the mark here, but these reads like you want players banned from it, because one of them didn't agree with you and then didn't want to get involved with a side argument . I will say though, that it is slightly worrying in the current climate, that if you question certain things you are labelled a pariah by many. Jonathan Pies seems to be the only person in the world speaking any sense these days No, no. I think you need to use it to understand. I think social media is becoming more dysfunctional. No point in having free speech and debate when people are so polarised they can't cope with anything out of their perspective without unpleasantness. I broadly agree with that, but your original post seem to question whether Rovers players should be allowed social media accounts, but presumably- by the very fact you were interacting with that particular player- you were happy with them using Twitter until he disagreed with you.
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Post by syg on Jun 29, 2020 16:59:08 GMT
No, no. I think you need to use it to understand. I think social media is becoming more dysfunctional. No point in having free speech and debate when people are so polarised they can't cope with anything out of their perspective without unpleasantness. I broadly agree with that, but your original post seem to question whether Rovers players should be allowed social media accounts, but presumably- by the very fact you were interacting with that particular player- you were happy with them using Twitter until he disagreed with you. It's not disagreement thats the issue, it's making deregotory accusations about ones character thats the problem. A few years ago a player posted an image that was really unpleasant on twitter, I happened to be on there as it popped. I responded s8 away, along the lines of "are you trying to end your career, if it's picked up by the press you're gone" he immediately took it down and messaged me apologising and saying it had been an error etc. He then asked me to delete the tweet at my end and all relevant messages. Do Rovers players have media and or comms training?
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Post by westie on Jun 29, 2020 17:48:25 GMT
Personally I'm slowly learning when it's best to not say something. Social media makes it difficult, because someone is always saying something stupid, but I've grown weary of acting like some kind of online arbiter of sense and discourse.
My takeaway is just swerve those posts. You'll just end up in a spat and falling out with people you admire, or worse, people you love and care about.
I'm guilty of it. Sometimes I can't help myself I diving in on someone's social media post with a sense of self-righteousness. Also similar to me responding in this thread.
Social Media is an absolute plague. But we live in a reasonably free world. Players, if they're going to have a public presence, should indeed keep their public posts tame. But that can be applied to anything. I'm sure we all have views we'd say to friends in private, but that we wouldn't stand in the middle of the street and shout out to the world.
Saying all that, personally personally speaking, I actually think what people say is their own business, and I wish there was no legal recourse for what comes out of a person's mouth, or their fingertips.
Seems the new digital world is full of snowflakes who get offended too much. It's only words,just a man by his actions. Often online they might not marry up, but if someone said something you disagree with, the same could be said the other way round. Who's right? No-one. Who's wrong? No-one
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Post by westie on Jun 29, 2020 18:01:53 GMT
I think you mean *Prohibits*, not permits. But moving on... It sounds more like you went spoiling for a Twitter spat, and posted something you knew would wind someone up, and now you've had to run away like a child and block them and have a little cry about it here? I'd bet you have also had similar interactions with your friends and family, when you most like post "All Lives Matter" in relation to BLM, knowing full well what the current zeitgeist is, and also knowing full well the responses you'll get. I think you need to put the Twitter down, not the players No, I was simply responding to something, I hate arguments, but sensible reasoned debates seem to have gone out of the Window. Accusing someone of racism seems to be one of the default comments when you disagree with someone, it's even worse when you have been racially abused. Another is the "you are with us or against us". No room for another opinion then, or maybe you don't have an opinion at all. This is how ridiculous things have become. A pro football player, is supportive of a group who's website is anti capatilist, whilst getting paid for being almost permanently injured and writing an article for the post. At the same time it posts anti semetic remarks whilst I'm advised I'm racist or stupid. Plus ofcourse I'm helping pay his salary. That's it. Migraine. Agree on the migraine, and I do feel some of your points. Don't get me wrong! One man's Anti-Semite is another man's Corbyn. One man's racist is another man's hero. It's all subjective really. You're reading too much into the scare tactics. BLM website might be anti-capitalist, and that might not sit well with you. But the thing is, 99.9% of people saying Black Lives Matter are calling out double standards we all know still exist in our society. So I'm guessing your beef is with a black player saying black lives matter and you don't like him cos he probably reads the guardian and votes labour.
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Post by basel on Jun 29, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
I've recently had a few tweets with a rovers player. It was with ref to blm, the upshot was he told me I must be racist or stupid. There were a few more tweets and again he told me the same thing. I'm neither stupid or racist by any measure and was trying to have a sensible debate. The result of this is that I had a threat on twitter, I've had to block and report the individual, who I think is just some juvenile idiot, who can't see past disagreeing with the player. I asked the player if I could message him directly as I thought after the threat that the issue was out of hand, but he replied no and that I could just tweet the message, which considering the threat I wasn't willing to do. I've now had to block all the contributors to the tweets inc the player. So, should players have a contractual clause that permits them from using social media, or has it nothing to do with the club? As far as the rest goes I'm going to forget the issue and move on, the only positive from twitter appears to be tims listeningparty. BLM is the latest movement the far Left have hijacked.There will be many BLM supporters (of course everyone with an ounce of humanity agrees with the sentiment) blissfully unaware of this.So as is the way ,the chances are a contrarian to their worthy 'crusade' will be seen as a racist.The Far Left have their opposition on the run with this one. I think their presence within BLM is strong. We've seen BLM now offer support to Palestine.Defunding of the Police.Ending of Capitslism.Mob rule,violence Etc. Triggered by the murder of a black man in the US. The Left have gone too far imo,they have bullied people and it's a shame because we need a good Left and Right in the UK. Edit.Quite ironic that millionaire or well paid professional footballers kneel down,to show support to a Marxist movement that wants to destroy capitalism.
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Post by syg on Jun 29, 2020 18:53:08 GMT
No, I was simply responding to something, I hate arguments, but sensible reasoned debates seem to have gone out of the Window. Accusing someone of racism seems to be one of the default comments when you disagree with someone, it's even worse when you have been racially abused. Another is the "you are with us or against us". No room for another opinion then, or maybe you don't have an opinion at all. This is how ridiculous things have become. A pro football player, is supportive of a group who's website is anti capatilist, whilst getting paid for being almost permanently injured and writing an article for the post. At the same time it posts anti semetic remarks whilst I'm advised I'm racist or stupid. Plus ofcourse I'm helping pay his salary. That's it. Migraine. Agree on the migraine, and I do feel some of your points. Don't get me wrong! One man's Anti-Semite is another man's Corbyn. One man's racist is another man's hero. It's all subjective really. You're reading too much into the scare tactics. BLM website might be anti-capitalist, and that might not sit well with you. But the thing is, 99.9% of people saying Black Lives Matter are calling out double standards we all know still exist in our society. So I'm guessing your beef is with a black player saying black lives matter and you don't like him cos he probably reads the guardian and votes labour. Well... I read the guardian, and wouldn't vote Labour after Iraq, but will never vote tory. I didn't have a beef. without re reading all the twitter stuff,i was basically saying that blm won't work as it draws colour lines. And that if it was "blm as well" ,or "blm also" it would have more unifying for certain sections of the non black community who may kick off. Actually I think the first post was ref the statue and police inaction which I thought would set a precedent for non police intervention in future gatherings. I thought it was plain obvious on both accounts and I believe my arguments have already been confirmed. Sorry, this is a footie forum not current affairs!
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Post by Rex on Jun 29, 2020 19:34:56 GMT
Agree on the migraine, and I do feel some of your points. Don't get me wrong! One man's Anti-Semite is another man's Corbyn. One man's racist is another man's hero. It's all subjective really. You're reading too much into the scare tactics. BLM website might be anti-capitalist, and that might not sit well with you. But the thing is, 99.9% of people saying Black Lives Matter are calling out double standards we all know still exist in our society. So I'm guessing your beef is with a black player saying black lives matter and you don't like him cos he probably reads the guardian and votes labour. Well... I read the guardian, and wouldn't vote Labour after Iraq, but will never vote tory. I didn't have a beef. without re reading all the twitter stuff,i was basically saying that blm won't work as it draws colour lines. And that if it was "blm as well" ,or "blm also" it would have more unifying for certain sections of the non black community who may kick off. Actually I think the first post was ref the statue and police inaction which I thought would set a precedent for non police intervention in future gatherings. I thought it was plain obvious on both accounts and I believe my arguments have already been confirmed. Sorry, this is a footie forum not current affairs! It's okay, some of us are trying to sneak in a serious section under the radar
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Post by westie on Jun 29, 2020 19:35:41 GMT
Agree on the migraine, and I do feel some of your points. Don't get me wrong! One man's Anti-Semite is another man's Corbyn. One man's racist is another man's hero. It's all subjective really. You're reading too much into the scare tactics. BLM website might be anti-capitalist, and that might not sit well with you. But the thing is, 99.9% of people saying Black Lives Matter are calling out double standards we all know still exist in our society. So I'm guessing your beef is with a black player saying black lives matter and you don't like him cos he probably reads the guardian and votes labour. Well... I read the guardian, and wouldn't vote Labour after Iraq, but will never vote tory. I didn't have a beef. without re reading all the twitter stuff,i was basically saying that blm won't work as it draws colour lines. And that if it was "blm as well" ,or "blm also" it would have more unifying for certain sections of the non black community who may kick off. Actually I think the first post was ref the statue and police inaction which I thought would set a precedent for non police intervention in future gatherings. I thought it was plain obvious on both accounts and I believe my arguments have already been confirmed. Sorry, this is a footie forum not current affairs! Yeah that's fair enough. And I'm blindly arguing a corner I don't know about as I wasn't witness to the conversation between you and the player and whoever was making threats etc! I'll get back on topic, needed that reality check! I'm on holiday from the other place, signed up to both about the same time but ended up making my camp over at GChat. Still pop in here every now and again cos this has equally as interesting posts and posters and I miss some good threads on here. Spreading my wings and gonna drop in on both! Up the Gas, down the Twitter 🔵
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 29, 2020 20:00:12 GMT
Well... I read the guardian, and wouldn't vote Labour after Iraq, but will never vote tory. I didn't have a beef. without re reading all the twitter stuff,i was basically saying that blm won't work as it draws colour lines. And that if it was "blm as well" ,or "blm also" it would have more unifying for certain sections of the non black community who may kick off. Actually I think the first post was ref the statue and police inaction which I thought would set a precedent for non police intervention in future gatherings. I thought it was plain obvious on both accounts and I believe my arguments have already been confirmed. Sorry, this is a footie forum not current affairs! It's okay, some of us are trying to sneak in a serious section under the radar We might not see Bristol Rovers FC kick a ball in anger til 2021... in the meantime I'm quite happy for polite debate and banter in 'not strictly football related matters'. Some of the most interesting posters on here are people that do not necessarily share my views. Some of them even read the guardian and quote it extensively, but I still listen. UTG.
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Post by syg on Jun 29, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
Don't often say this, well never until now.... Thanks everybody, sensible points, no abuse, it's great. The whole twitter rubbish got me down quite badly yesterday. Northampton cruising past Exeter.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 29, 2020 21:59:15 GMT
If you need to see what Twitter is really for, take a look at Keith Brookman's tweets. Fascinating series of Rovers related anniversaries.
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Post by westie on Jun 29, 2020 22:10:58 GMT
Don't often say this, well never until now.... Thanks everybody, sensible points, no abuse, it's great. The whole twitter rubbish got me down quite badly yesterday. Northampton cruising past Exeter. I feel mines the worst then. Sorry Syg!
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Post by basel on Jun 30, 2020 6:56:28 GMT
If you need to see what Twitter is really for, take a look at Keith Brookman's tweets. Fascinating series of Rovers related anniversaries.
Ah,"Cambells Kingdom". The season Bobby became Manager is perhaps still my favourite Rovers season. Eastville.Before BC got the top job we were struggling.Then a young pacey forward was signed.One Paul Randall.Bobby had us attack and at Eastville at least,this brought victories and much excitement. We still usually go stuffed away. It was the season of Spurs in the 2nd tier,we of course lost 9 0 at White Hart Lane (I think before Bobby became manager),forever immortalised by the MOTD cameras.Think we lost 5 1 at Sunderland in the league but beat them in the Cup.Then the Southampton Cup game at Eastville.Randall 2 Saints 0. 26,000 attendance. I remember Sheffield Utd being beaten 4 1 and Stoke by the same scoreline.I also chanted "RANDALL FOR ENGLAND" Bobby saved us from what looked like relegation and entertained us.
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Post by rowdenhill on Jun 30, 2020 8:20:18 GMT
Grüezi Basel. White Hart Lane 1977. We were only down 3-0 at half time and I thought we had a chance.
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