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Post by basel on Jan 9, 2021 14:30:43 GMT
View AttachmentThis mornings Telegraph features a preview of our game v Sheff Utd and our owner comes across very well but it says ,'He has suspended plans to explore the redevelopment of a fruit market in Central Bristol as a site for the club's next stadium'.I wasn't aware of that although in all fairness the Club never announced plans officially anyway as far as I am aware. Connected to the pandemic. Maybe once the vaccination programme kicks in the Fruit Market stadium might be back on the table
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 14:36:34 GMT
View AttachmentThis mornings Telegraph features a preview of our game v Sheff Utd and our owner comes across very well but it says ,'He has suspended plans to explore the redevelopment of a fruit market in Central Bristol as a site for the club's next stadium'.I wasn't aware of that although in all fairness the Club never announced plans officially anyway as far as I am aware. Connected to the pandemic. Maybe once the vaccination programme kicks in the Fruit Market stadium might be back on the table If we were ever serious about that then surely now, with contractors facing an uncertain short-term future, would be the perfect time to negotiate the very best terms to get the thing built rather than shelve the plans.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 9, 2021 21:28:05 GMT
The start date is now virtually sorted ..2021 will be looked back on our history as besides the pandemic bit the year our stadium was fine started.. Exciting times indeed
Got my season ticket renewal in to ensure i get seats 525 and 526 in the Geoff Bradford South stand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 23:27:30 GMT
The start date is now virtually sorted ..2021 will be looked back on our history as besides the pandemic bit the year our stadium was fine started.. Exciting times indeed Got my season ticket renewal in to ensure i get seats 525 and 526 in the Geoff Bradford South stand. Are B&Q having a clearance sale on tents?
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 10, 2021 10:08:20 GMT
Connected to the pandemic. Maybe once the vaccination programme kicks in the Fruit Market stadium might be back on the table If we were ever serious about that then surely now, with contractors facing an uncertain short-term future, would be the perfect time to negotiate the very best terms to get the thing built rather than shelve the plans. Is it as simple as that? With the advent of wfh what is going to happen to land prices, less office space required? Less housing developments required in towns? What is the future for venues of all descriptions? The talk is that this virus is not going away in a long long time. There is talk that there will be social distancing next winter. Am sure there are other considerations in planning any developments beside these. Imagine if we had a brand new ground available next season and spectators were not allowed. Who would be questioning the build then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 11:11:02 GMT
If we were ever serious about that then surely now, with contractors facing an uncertain short-term future, would be the perfect time to negotiate the very best terms to get the thing built rather than shelve the plans. Is it as simple as that? With the advent of wfh what is going to happen to land prices, less office space required? Less housing developments required in towns? What is the future for venues of all descriptions? The talk is that this virus is not going away in a long long time. There is talk that there will be social distancing next winter. Am sure there are other considerations in planning any developments beside these. Imagine if we had a brand new ground available next season and spectators were not allowed. Who would be questioning the build then? I'm questioning abandoning the project, if it ever actually existed, right now, rather than conducting a feasibility study on it. Reduced office demand in that area, in my opinion, makes the thing more viable, not less, as it lowers the value of the footprint and it was preposterous to even contemplate workers leaving the area whilst visitors to the venue were arriving for mid-week events.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 10, 2021 18:17:32 GMT
Is it as simple as that? With the advent of wfh what is going to happen to land prices, less office space required? Less housing developments required in towns? What is the future for venues of all descriptions? The talk is that this virus is not going away in a long long time. There is talk that there will be social distancing next winter. Am sure there are other considerations in planning any developments beside these. Imagine if we had a brand new ground available next season and spectators were not allowed. Who would be questioning the build then? I'm questioning abandoning the project, if it ever actually existed, right now, rather than conducting a feasibility study on it. Reduced office demand in that area, in my opinion, makes the thing more viable, not less, as it lowers the value of the footprint and it was preposterous to even contemplate workers leaving the area whilst visitors to the venue were arriving for mid-week events. And what will the revenue streams be in the new world from a stadium?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:04:54 GMT
I'm questioning abandoning the project, if it ever actually existed, right now, rather than conducting a feasibility study on it. Reduced office demand in that area, in my opinion, makes the thing more viable, not less, as it lowers the value of the footprint and it was preposterous to even contemplate workers leaving the area whilst visitors to the venue were arriving for mid-week events. And what will the revenue streams be in the new world from a stadium? I have no idea, hence the reference above to feasibility studies. It's a question worth asking though, surely, as the cost of debt calculated over the length of the loan can be significant, so what may look like a modest reduction up-front can result in a large saving.
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Post by knowall on Jan 20, 2021 18:01:09 GMT
Is there anyone who believes that the current owner has any aspiration (or finance) to build a new stadium?
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 20, 2021 18:04:35 GMT
Is there anyone who believes that the current owner has any aspiration (or finance) to build a new stadium? Aspiration - certainly. Finance - certainly not on his own. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 22:19:38 GMT
Is there anyone who believes that the current owner has any aspiration (or finance) to build a new stadium? Aspiration - certainly. Finance - certainly not on his own. UTG. Help me out if I'm wrong, but isn't an aspiration something that you hope to achieve, not just something that you would like to do. So shouldn't that hope be grounded in reality? Would love to be wrong, but the state of our ground and after I think it's 5 years now where Wael has ridden the crest of a wave created by someone else, then gone on to stack up losses that we could never have dreamed possible the day before he arrived, had a manager walk out when we did find a winning formula, a formula which Wael stumbled on by making a panic appointment from within the club, and now here we are, 1 point above a relegation place and needing to tear up his latest master plan of how he's going to turn us into a talent conveyor belt, kind of suggests that there isn't much structure to anything that's happening, so progress is more hope than anything we can legitimately claim to aspire towards at this stage, isn't it?
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Post by rowdenhill on Jan 21, 2021 9:08:56 GMT
What a stupidly long sentence.
Nobody's gonna read that innit?
(People in glass houses)
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 21, 2021 10:12:01 GMT
Is there anyone who believes that the current owner has any aspiration (or finance) to build a new stadium? I had no faith in the family when many were posting memes and saying we were the richest club in Bristol. I tried to warn people not to post this as we now see, they are being used to have a good giggle, by the dark side. I see nothing that makes me believe we will progress at all and any thoughts of a new ground, well.. I just hope we still have a club. My expectations are extremely low. From the information I gathered, unless WAQ is prepared to walk away, we will not get a ground. The reason, as I’m led to believe, that it did not happen, is that he wants to remain and at a fair percentage. I never thought I’d be writing this but Nick Higgs is a gashead, regardless of the mistakes and stubbornness of the man but I think he would have been prepared to do what was necessary, to secure a deal.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 21, 2021 10:15:24 GMT
Is there anyone who believes that the current owner has any aspiration (or finance) to build a new stadium? Aspiration - certainly. Finance - certainly not on his own. UTG. Lots of aspirational thoughts but will not give up his role, to get things done. I used to do a fair amount of digging for information and this is what I am led to believe
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 21, 2021 10:16:49 GMT
Aspiration - certainly. Finance - certainly not on his own. UTG. Help me out if I'm wrong, but isn't an aspiration something that you hope to achieve, not just something that you would like to do. So shouldn't that hope be grounded in reality? Would love to be wrong, but the state of our ground and after I think it's 5 years now where Wael has ridden the crest of a wave created by someone else, then gone on to stack up losses that we could never have dreamed possible the day before he arrived, had a manager walk out when we did find a winning formula, a formula which Wael stumbled on by making a panic appointment from within the club, and now here we are, 1 point above a relegation place and needing to tear up his latest master plan of how he's going to turn us into a talent conveyor belt, kind of suggests that there isn't much structure to anything that's happening, so progress is more hope than anything we can legitimately claim to aspire towards at this stage, isn't it? On the money. Nailed it
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Post by bondigas on Jan 21, 2021 11:15:20 GMT
Would anyone in their right senses want to commit untold millions in acquiring land and then build a new stadium in this present climate when football itself and the entire hospitality sector doesn't know where it will be in the next 2 years thanks to this pandemic. The stadium opportunity was lost when Hani pulled the plug on the UWE deal which he obviously had no intentions of doing which threw the entire club under a bus, leaving his brother clinging to an impossible dream. I think the biggest worry now is the continuing mounting debt every day, the club must be burning £100,000 every week with no income coming the other way and I'm not sure the former General Manager of AJIB has that sort of money to continue burning. Or put it another way, it's an awful lot of money to pay for another ride on the shoulders of fans down the Gloucester Road.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 21, 2021 12:16:51 GMT
Would anyone in their right senses want to commit untold millions in acquiring land and then build a new stadium in this present climate when football itself and the entire hospitality sector doesn't know where it will be in the next 2 years thanks to this pandemic. The stadium opportunity was lost when Hani pulled the plug on the UWE deal which he obviously had no intentions of doing which threw the entire club under a bus, leaving his brother clinging to an impossible dream. I think the biggest worry now is the continuing mounting debt every day, the club must be burning £100,000 every week with no income coming the other way and I'm not sure the former General Manager of AJIB has that sort of money to continue burning. Or put it another way, it's an awful lot of money to pay for another ride on the shoulders of fans down the Gloucester Road. I've said all along that the 'evolution not revolution' line is lovely and all that but the truth is that, with the gap between League 1 and the Championship ever widening and likely to continue to do so, for us to make a leap forward to the next level (which I think is what most Gasheads aspire to) will now take something of a revolution. Small tweaks and incremental improvements are not going to cut it here. We need at least 1, probably 2, of the following a)an owner willing to thow money at the club to take us to the next level b)a long-term solution to our stadium situation c)consistent and ambitious approach to long term success on the playing side. Instead we seem to lurch from month to month just as we ever have and it's becoming harder and harder to envision how the gap between the reality and our aspirations can realistically be bridged.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 12:24:44 GMT
Would anyone in their right senses want to commit untold millions in acquiring land and then build a new stadium in this present climate when football itself and the entire hospitality sector doesn't know where it will be in the next 2 years thanks to this pandemic. The stadium opportunity was lost when Hani pulled the plug on the UWE deal which he obviously had no intentions of doing which threw the entire club under a bus, leaving his brother clinging to an impossible dream. I think the biggest worry now is the continuing mounting debt every day, the club must be burning £100,000 every week with no income coming the other way and I'm not sure the former General Manager of AJIB has that sort of money to continue burning. Or put it another way, it's an awful lot of money to pay for another ride on the shoulders of fans down the Gloucester Road. I've said all along that the 'evolution not revolution' line is lovely and all that but the truth is that, with the gap between League 1 and the Championship ever widening and likely to continue to do so, for us to make a leap forward to the next level (which I think is what most Gasheads aspire to) will now take something of a revolution. Small tweaks and incremental improvements are not going to cut it here. We need at least 1, probably 2, of the following a)an owner willing to thow money at the club to take us to the next level b)a long-term solution to our stadium situation c)consistent and ambitious approach to long term success on the playing side. Instead we seem to lurch from month to month just as we ever have and it's becoming harder and harder to envision how the gap between the reality and our aspirations can realistically be bridged. Or, the money that's gone up in smoke with nothing whatsoever to show for it, apart from a couple more tents and a score board which works most of the time, but hasn't been called into action much this season, could have been wisely invested into the stadium that we already own. Sure that wouldn't have transformed it into The Azteca, but at least it wouldn't need to be ranked 92 out of 92 and an embarrassment. Can you imagine, 25 years after we arrived back in Bristol, somehow, compared to the likes of Newport and Accrington, facilities are worse. How is that even possible? At least that, coupled with competent recruitment and PR that wasn't disrespectful to anybody who was actually paying attention may have put us on a stable platform to survive as a L1 club. As it is, people were fast losing interest even before lockdown.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 21, 2021 15:43:21 GMT
I've said all along that the 'evolution not revolution' line is lovely and all that but the truth is that, with the gap between League 1 and the Championship ever widening and likely to continue to do so, for us to make a leap forward to the next level (which I think is what most Gasheads aspire to) will now take something of a revolution. Small tweaks and incremental improvements are not going to cut it here. We need at least 1, probably 2, of the following a)an owner willing to thow money at the club to take us to the next level b)a long-term solution to our stadium situation c)consistent and ambitious approach to long term success on the playing side. Instead we seem to lurch from month to month just as we ever have and it's becoming harder and harder to envision how the gap between the reality and our aspirations can realistically be bridged. Or, the money that's gone up in smoke with nothing whatsoever to show for it, apart from a couple more tents and a score board which works most of the time, but hasn't been called into action much this season, could have been wisely invested into the stadium that we already own. Sure that wouldn't have transformed it into The Azteca, but at least it wouldn't need to be ranked 92 out of 92 and an embarrassment. Can you imagine, 25 years after we arrived back in Bristol, somehow, compared to the likes of Newport and Accrington, facilities are worse. How is that even possible? At least that, coupled with competent recruitment and PR that wasn't disrespectful to anybody who was actually paying attention may have put us on a stable platform to survive as a L1 club. As it is, people were fast losing interest even before lockdown. I agree - we have missed many opportunities in this regard. My argument would be that I think the kind of money now needed just to do that require something a bit more substantial.
I would say Doncaster is a club that fits that definition fairly well as a stable well-run League 1 club - we're way off that and if you look at the set-up they have it's hard to think how we could get there without fundamental transformation and significant investment now. The longer you go being ineffective, the further you fall behind, the more money effort and inspiration is required to bridge the gap to the point where eventually it becomes unrealistic to do so. I fear we may have already passed that point some time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 16:47:27 GMT
Or, the money that's gone up in smoke with nothing whatsoever to show for it, apart from a couple more tents and a score board which works most of the time, but hasn't been called into action much this season, could have been wisely invested into the stadium that we already own. Sure that wouldn't have transformed it into The Azteca, but at least it wouldn't need to be ranked 92 out of 92 and an embarrassment. Can you imagine, 25 years after we arrived back in Bristol, somehow, compared to the likes of Newport and Accrington, facilities are worse. How is that even possible? At least that, coupled with competent recruitment and PR that wasn't disrespectful to anybody who was actually paying attention may have put us on a stable platform to survive as a L1 club. As it is, people were fast losing interest even before lockdown. I agree - we have missed many opportunities in this regard. My argument would be that I think the kind of money now needed just to do that require something a bit more substantial.
I would say Doncaster is a club that fits that definition fairly well as a stable well-run League 1 club - we're way off that and if you look at the set-up they have it's hard to think how we could get there without fundamental transformation and significant investment now. The longer you go being ineffective, the further you fall behind, the more money effort and inspiration is required to bridge the gap to the point where eventually it becomes unrealistic to do so. I fear we may have already passed that point some time ago.
Maybe, but to make a direct comparison between Rovers and Donny is a bit off the mark. Watch the video below, turn the volume up. Enjoy the first 5 mins, then just look at and listen to the support in the next 3 mins, especially at exactly 8 mins. That's our national stadium resonating with noise from people supporting a non-League team. To fail to capitalise on that raw potential is the true story of successive owners that Rovers have had. No idea who made the video, there was something about being able to buy tickets at the start of a season for a tenner. Can't quite place their accents, Nottingham area maybe?
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