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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 10:35:24 GMT
I think you may possibly have read too much into that one Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2. The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas. Interesting take. I honestly think the notion of what it means to be English has lost it's identity and is culturally confused. Your generational observations are very general. There are many examples of opposites. But what it means to be 'English'?.... I'll give you an example, only inane and small but it makes a point: St Patrick's Day is acknowledged by mainstream media in UK and I would hazard a guess in other places around the world (Eire and US/Canada obviously). It's even celebrated here by some folk whom have no identity with Ireland. St George's Day is largely ignored. By everyone, except small pockets of folk whom identify with England. It's ignored by mainstream media, and up until very recently if you showed a Union or St George's flag you were either football hooligan it racist or both. My last sentence resonates with your perception of Leave/Remain debate that still carries on and is a thought process to this day. There should be nothing wrong with celebration of one's identity, but I think society has placed a huge guilt factor in celebration of everything English/British by bringing political ideology into a concept that is defacto is all about what is great about Great Britain and it's unity.
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Post by toteend3 on May 8, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
My Wife would like to meet you - She says 'Oh what a lovely man and he only wants to help' and there was me thinking ' hes taking the pi** Seriously, learn at least 1 more language, you'll meet others who can speak it, then you can insult random passers by without them even realising. And the things you can say to your Wife during those 'intimate' moments. She'll think you are being romantic, the poor fool. Funny you should say that, the wife is currently learning German and my youngest daughter Korean. I already know two languages, one being English, and should i venture over the river, i can also speak fluent Stollian!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 10:44:43 GMT
Sounds good to me.. 👍 Throw in a bit of porn and the Gas, what's not to like?! 😂 Lighten up, Bambi.... methinks you've indulged in all four to a lesser extent so you know, stones and sin and all that..? Many many years since I've consumed alcohol, people who drink just aren't nice to be around. I have a friend who works in A&E, she calls Friday and Saturday evenings 'Fight nights'. They often need Police in the hospital to keep order, in a hospital FFS! The relationship between police, hospitals and alcohol has been going on for yonks mate. Even when you were consuming alcohol (I would wager). I think what we're talking about here is a very small minority. I think what we're talking about here is a minority that drink to excess. Which makes it even more of a minority. Not condoning anything, I might be to you one of the ones you detest....but many, many people consume alcohol every day (and some drink every day!) but they don't go on the Gloucester Rd looking for knuckles. And, to bring up the ultimate question....we know prohibition doesn't work, so what is the solution? (Pardon the pun)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 11:00:03 GMT
Many many years since I've consumed alcohol, people who drink just aren't nice to be around. I have a friend who works in A&E, she calls Friday and Saturday evenings 'Fight nights'. They often need Police in the hospital to keep order, in a hospital FFS! The relationship between police, hospitals and alcohol has been going on for yonks mate. Even when you were consuming alcohol (I would wager). I think what we're talking about here is a very small minority. I think what we're talking about here is a minority that drink to excess. Which makes it even more of a minority. Not condoning anything, I might be to you one of the ones you detest....but many, many people consume alcohol every day (and some drink every day!) but they don't go on the Gloucester Rd looking for knuckles. And, to bring up the ultimate question....we know prohibition doesn't work, so what is the solution? (Pardon the pun) Oh dear, the old 'I'm OK because I control my drinking' argument. Maybe individually you do, but a quick look at recycling bins will tell you that we are a nation of drunkards. Add to that, Alistair Campbell angrily slurring his way through endless interviews, isn't that enough to make you want a nice glass of cool fresh kumquat juice instead?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 11:22:00 GMT
Seriously, learn at least 1 more language, you'll meet others who can speak it, then you can insult random passers by without them even realising. And the things you can say to your Wife during those 'intimate' moments. She'll think you are being romantic, the poor fool. Funny you should say that, the wife is currently learning German and my youngest daughter Korean. I already know two languages, one being English, and should i venture over the river, i can also speak fluent Stollian! It's weird how many people learn Korean, not one that's ever appealed to me. Why did she choose that?
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Post by chelt_gas on May 8, 2020 11:38:55 GMT
Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2. The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas. Interesting take. I honestly think the notion of what it means to be English has lost it's identity and is culturally confused. Your generational observations are very general. There are many examples of opposites. But what it means to be 'English'?.... I'll give you an example, only inane and small but it makes a point: St Patrick's Day is acknowledged by mainstream media in UK and I would hazard a guess in other places around the world (Eire and US/Canada obviously). It's even celebrated here by some folk whom have no identity with Ireland. St George's Day is largely ignored. By everyone, except small pockets of folk whom identify with England. It's ignored by mainstream media, and up until very recently if you showed a Union or St George's flag you were either football hooligan it racist or both. My last sentence resonates with your perception of Leave/Remain debate that still carries on and is a thought process to this day. There should be nothing wrong with celebration of one's identity, but I think society has placed a huge guilt factor in celebration of everything English/British by bringing political ideology into a concept that is defacto is all about what is great about Great Britain and it's unity. I think there’s more to apologise for ‘being English’ than to have Pride if we’re basing the notion on our cultural history over centuries. Our ruling landed gentry has been responsible for millions of deaths, wars, destruction of cultures and plain exploitation through enslavery. So being ‘English’ overseas then talking about ‘pride’ in my heritage is something I avoid all the time unless I qualify what aspects I am proud of. And it’s not ‘my’ heritage - I’ve never been part of the landed aristocracy fraudsters intend on hoovering up capital at the expense of humanity so if that’s ‘being English’ I’d prefer to reject that label. I was proud of aspects of our current modern society - tolerance, integration, acknowledgment of past issues but Brexit and windrush quickly undid all that good.
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Post by toteend3 on May 8, 2020 11:50:26 GMT
Funny you should say that, the wife is currently learning German and my youngest daughter Korean. I already know two languages, one being English, and should i venture over the river, i can also speak fluent Stollian! It's weird how many people learn Korean, not one that's ever appealed to me. Why did she choose that? She’s also doing Russian she fascinated with the culture differences and she’s into Korean food.
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Post by Rex on May 8, 2020 12:51:41 GMT
I think you may possibly have read too much into that one Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2 . The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas. I think our generation (I'm 55 ) seem to have the touch of Little Englander about them, I don't see anything wrong with being a bit patriotic, it's the 'I'm English and I don't care who it offends' brigade whose attitude I feel a bit puzzling. My dad would be 100 years old now and served throughout the war and my mum who is still going along at 90 not out was in the WAAF and navy, mum used to tell me patriotism was drummed into her as a youngster (Hardly surprising given she was a schoolgirl for much of the war) but they say travel broadens the mind, and maybe it was her experiences travelling in the forces that made her realise people throughout the world are pretty much the same. Dad was an old cynic who was very suspicious of over the top patriots (that bloke who used to be at all the England games used to annoy the f**k out of him) I'm very glad that my parents generation- against all the odds- saw off the Nazis, although I do find the current obsession of all thing military and the insistence of marking every anniversary of every battle with some kind of TV spectacular a little bewildering, I much preferred wearing a poppy once a year for a week, falling silent for a minute and then getting back to our current lives. Having said that, I absolutely love films like 'In Which We Serve' but I do recognise them for the propaganda that they are rather than some well researched historical re-enactment. Anyway, enjoy VE Day, I might even raise a glass meself
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 12:55:50 GMT
Interesting take. I honestly think the notion of what it means to be English has lost it's identity and is culturally confused. Your generational observations are very general. There are many examples of opposites. But what it means to be 'English'?.... I'll give you an example, only inane and small but it makes a point: St Patrick's Day is acknowledged by mainstream media in UK and I would hazard a guess in other places around the world (Eire and US/Canada obviously). It's even celebrated here by some folk whom have no identity with Ireland. St George's Day is largely ignored. By everyone, except small pockets of folk whom identify with England. It's ignored by mainstream media, and up until very recently if you showed a Union or St George's flag you were either football hooligan it racist or both. My last sentence resonates with your perception of Leave/Remain debate that still carries on and is a thought process to this day. There should be nothing wrong with celebration of one's identity, but I think society has placed a huge guilt factor in celebration of everything English/British by bringing political ideology into a concept that is defacto is all about what is great about Great Britain and it's unity. I think there’s more to apologise for ‘being English’ than to have Pride if we’re basing the notion on our cultural history over centuries. Our ruling landed gentry has been responsible for millions of deaths, wars, destruction of cultures and plain exploitation through enslavery. So being ‘English’ overseas then talking about ‘pride’ in my heritage is something I avoid all the time unless I qualify what aspects I am proud of. And it’s not ‘my’ heritage - I’ve never been part of the landed aristocracy fraudsters intend on hoovering up capital at the expense of humanity so if that’s ‘being English’ I’d prefer to reject that label. I was proud of aspects of our current modern society - tolerance, integration, acknowledgment of past issues but Brexit and windrush quickly undid all that good. Oh I see, so you were happy with British 'tolerance' until people disagreed with your world view. This form of modern 'Liberalism' is pure poison.
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Post by Rex on May 8, 2020 13:09:45 GMT
Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2. The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas. OK, now you've fessed up I'll have a nibble... I was originally responding to the 'firm handshake and stiff upper lip at the Civil Service Club' comment by referring to the 'spirit of Empire' as being one of oppression of other nations via repressed civil servants who were brought up in boarding schools as preparation for 'service' across the Empire. The sort of culture that meant that a chap should keep his tunic on in the heat of the desert. See the film White Mischief as a point of reference maybe. Just one of the results being a lot of emotional retardation in the service of 'the country' Since then we've 'progressed', in gazillions of ways. This is why Dr Faustus gets all publicly gooey at the thought of hugging his family, I think The upsides of the old world view seem to me to be a spirit of adventure, a prioritisation of 'public service' (which is not a phrase which is common amongst da yoof, I think), and (among the best people from those times) aligning personal with public responsibility I see a lot of the latter still in daily life, especially at the moment, although funnily enough not so much of it on social media, and I don't think it's at all incompatible with modern life But then, I think the Mash Report has some laugh-out-loud moments every episode. And I identify primarily as British, rather than English. And I wouldn't dream of identifying myself as something like 'eppinggas' - that would just highlight the caravan in which I was currently staying, rather than identifying something meaningful about myself (says he who uses 'a more piratey game', thus undermining that line entirely - arrgghhh!!!!) Although she didn't feature in the film (though she did in other dramatizations) my mum's closest friend was a consultant on that film. She was Juanita Carberry (who one of my sisters is named after) the - later disowned- daughter of Lord Carberry. I knew her as 'Auntie' and she maintained to her dying day that Sir 'Jock' Broughton had confessed to her that he murdered the Earl of Errol. I know she wasn't impressed with the film, but it was a fascinating story and just goes to show your 'class' really means nothing when it comes down to human nature, most of that lot would have kept Jeremy Kyle employed for years! Bet you never knew I was so well connected
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 13:27:10 GMT
The relationship between police, hospitals and alcohol has been going on for yonks mate. Even when you were consuming alcohol (I would wager). I think what we're talking about here is a very small minority. I think what we're talking about here is a minority that drink to excess. Which makes it even more of a minority. Not condoning anything, I might be to you one of the ones you detest....but many, many people consume alcohol every day (and some drink every day!) but they don't go on the Gloucester Rd looking for knuckles. And, to bring up the ultimate question....we know prohibition doesn't work, so what is the solution? (Pardon the pun) Oh dear, the old 'I'm OK because I control my drinking' argument. Maybe individually you do, but a quick look at recycling bins will tell you that we are a nation of drunkards. Add to that, Alistair Campbell angrily slurring his way through endless interviews, isn't that enough to make you want a nice glass of cool fresh kumquat juice instead? Haha! AC the war criminal collaborator and hypocrite always makes me laugh....I particularly like the Portillo moment where he gets completely owned! Sorry, I digress.. Well of course I disagree with your analysis (naturally!). We are a nation of drinkers I would say....not drunkards. From enjoying alcohol with a meal, especially with loved ones, to communal meetings and gatherings especially around emotional events of nostalgia, we generally handle our alcohol fine. Even the church lends itself to the stuff... better not go down that road. Clever or not so clever is the disregard to what to do about your perceived problem? Like I said previous, prohibition doesn't work....or maybe it's best to ignore it like you've ignored my question?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 13:30:48 GMT
Oh dear, the old 'I'm OK because I control my drinking' argument. Maybe individually you do, but a quick look at recycling bins will tell you that we are a nation of drunkards. Add to that, Alistair Campbell angrily slurring his way through endless interviews, isn't that enough to make you want a nice glass of cool fresh kumquat juice instead? Haha! AC the war criminal collaborator and hypocrite always makes me laugh....I particularly like the Portillo moment where he gets completely owned! Sorry, I digress.. Well of course I disagree with your analysis (naturally!). We are a nation of drinkers I would say....not drunkards. From enjoying alcohol with a meal, especially with loved ones, to communal meetings and gatherings especially around emotional events of nostalgia, we generally handle our alcohol fine. Even the church lends itself to the stuff... better not go down that road. Clever or not so clever is the disregard to what to do about your perceived problem? Like I said previous, prohibition doesn't work....or maybe it's best to ignore it like you've ignored my question? I'm not the drunkard, it's not for me to provide the solution to other people's problematic behaviour. You make it sound as if all that's happening is people are enjoying wetting their lips with port to follow a pleasant meal. NHS statistics and the war zone that our City centres have become would suggest otherwise.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 13:34:56 GMT
Interesting take. I honestly think the notion of what it means to be English has lost it's identity and is culturally confused. Your generational observations are very general. There are many examples of opposites. But what it means to be 'English'?.... I'll give you an example, only inane and small but it makes a point: St Patrick's Day is acknowledged by mainstream media in UK and I would hazard a guess in other places around the world (Eire and US/Canada obviously). It's even celebrated here by some folk whom have no identity with Ireland. St George's Day is largely ignored. By everyone, except small pockets of folk whom identify with England. It's ignored by mainstream media, and up until very recently if you showed a Union or St George's flag you were either football hooligan it racist or both. My last sentence resonates with your perception of Leave/Remain debate that still carries on and is a thought process to this day. There should be nothing wrong with celebration of one's identity, but I think society has placed a huge guilt factor in celebration of everything English/British by bringing political ideology into a concept that is defacto is all about what is great about Great Britain and it's unity. I think there’s more to apologise for ‘being English’ than to have Pride if we’re basing the notion on our cultural history over centuries. Our ruling landed gentry has been responsible for millions of deaths, wars, destruction of cultures and plain exploitation through enslavery. So being ‘English’ overseas then talking about ‘pride’ in my heritage is something I avoid all the time unless I qualify what aspects I am proud of. And it’s not ‘my’ heritage - I’ve never been part of the landed aristocracy fraudsters intend on hoovering up capital at the expense of humanity so if that’s ‘being English’ I’d prefer to reject that label. I was proud of aspects of our current modern society - tolerance, integration, acknowledgment of past issues but Brexit and windrush quickly undid all that good. I disagree! We can't be held responsible for feeling guilty about the past we can not control. We should learn from our past, not ignore it and embrace the future.. To follow your logic through, almost every country or civilisation that has had an empirical past should still feel guilty to this day and apologise more? That's almost the whole world! To counter your guilt, we were the first country to abolish slavery. By democracy. We weren't the first to introduce it, and we had massive help and coercion from black Africans that helped round slaves, so something as sinister as the slave trade has quite diverse roots for guilt..
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 13:38:12 GMT
Haha! AC the war criminal collaborator and hypocrite always makes me laugh....I particularly like the Portillo moment where he gets completely owned! Sorry, I digress.. Well of course I disagree with your analysis (naturally!). We are a nation of drinkers I would say....not drunkards. From enjoying alcohol with a meal, especially with loved ones, to communal meetings and gatherings especially around emotional events of nostalgia, we generally handle our alcohol fine. Even the church lends itself to the stuff... better not go down that road. Clever or not so clever is the disregard to what to do about your perceived problem? Like I said previous, prohibition doesn't work....or maybe it's best to ignore it like you've ignored my question? I'm not the drunkard, it's not for me to provide the solution to other people's problematic behaviour. You make it sound as if all that's happening is people are enjoying wetting their lips with port to follow a pleasant meal. NHS statistics and the war zone that our City centres have become would suggest otherwise. I never said you were a drunkard, but if you bring problems to the table, brother, the least you can do is offer some antidote. Unless you have none. Which is fine.....here try this new 18 year old Tawny I've been saving for a rainy day. She's up for it! 😋
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 13:56:45 GMT
I'm not the drunkard, it's not for me to provide the solution to other people's problematic behaviour. You make it sound as if all that's happening is people are enjoying wetting their lips with port to follow a pleasant meal. NHS statistics and the war zone that our City centres have become would suggest otherwise. I never said you were a drunkard, but if you bring problems to the table, brother, the least you can do is offer some antidote. Unless you have none. Which is fine.....here try this new 18 year old Tawny I've been saving for a rainy day. She's up for it! 😋 Again, I'm not the person 'bringing the problem to the table', that's because I'm not the person creating the problem. Explain to me in what way exactly my abstinence is responsible for any alcohol related issue.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 14:07:18 GMT
I never said you were a drunkard, but if you bring problems to the table, brother, the least you can do is offer some antidote. Unless you have none. Which is fine.....here try this new 18 year old Tawny I've been saving for a rainy day. She's up for it! 😋 Again, I'm not the person 'bringing the problem to the table', that's because I'm not the person creating the problem. Explain to me in what way exactly my abstinence is responsible for any alcohol related issue. I've no problems with your alcohol consumption or non consumption, but to an outsider you seem to highlight every problem out of proportion or context. Much like, the loudest complainers of smokers are ex smokers. I've got no issues either way. I'm just saying for the amount of pubs that are open pre Covid and the amount of alcohol drunk, by the amount of people that consume, proportionately the social problems are small. Your posts appear to highlight alcohol in a very negative way. I'm offering some balance.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 14:44:42 GMT
Again, I'm not the person 'bringing the problem to the table', that's because I'm not the person creating the problem. Explain to me in what way exactly my abstinence is responsible for any alcohol related issue. I've no problems with your alcohol consumption or non consumption, but to an outsider you seem to highlight every problem out of proportion or context. Much like, the loudest complainers of smokers are ex smokers. I've got no issues either way. I'm just saying for the amount of pubs that are open pre Covid and the amount of alcohol drunk, by the amount of people that consume, proportionately the social problems are small. Your posts appear to highlight alcohol in a very negative way. I'm offering some balance. Here's some balance; Alcohol plays a large part in development of Type 2 diabetes, that swallows up fully 10% of the entire NHS budget. Around 230 people a year die on UK roads and around 9000 are injured where a driver was found to be over the alcohol limit. Try explaining your 'balance' to someone who has lost a loved one because a drunk has got behind the wheel and killed them. Then we move on to domestic abuse; We've already covered the crazy 'free for all punch up' that City centres have become, that's largely Policed by the way by Officers on overtime rates of pay. You may be happy to pay for that, there are other things I would rather those officers were doing. I have more, lots more. So here's the thing. If you want to go and dig a hole, sit in it and quietly drink yourself to death, go ahead, but I don't want the selfish behaviour of others to increase the tax that I have to pay, to make me stepping out of my front door more dangerous, or to swallow up precious NHS resources that I may depend on in later life.
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Post by Rex on May 8, 2020 15:07:55 GMT
I've no problems with your alcohol consumption or non consumption, but to an outsider you seem to highlight every problem out of proportion or context. Much like, the loudest complainers of smokers are ex smokers. I've got no issues either way. I'm just saying for the amount of pubs that are open pre Covid and the amount of alcohol drunk, by the amount of people that consume, proportionately the social problems are small. Your posts appear to highlight alcohol in a very negative way. I'm offering some balance. Here's some balance; Alcohol plays a large part in development of Type 2 diabetes, that swallows up fully 10% of the entire NHS budget. Around 230 people a year die on UK roads and around 9000 are injured where a driver was found to be over the alcohol limit. Try explaining your 'balance' to someone who has lost a loved one because a drunk has got behind the wheel and killed them. Then we move on to domestic abuse; We've already covered the crazy 'free for all punch up' that City centres have become, that's largely Policed by the way by Officers on overtime rates of pay. You may be happy to pay for that, there are other things I would rather those officers were doing. I have more, lots more. So here's the thing. If you want to go and dig a hole, sit in it and quietly drink yourself to death, go ahead, but I don't want the selfish behaviour of others to increase the tax that I have to pay, to make me stepping out of my front door more dangerous, or to swallow up precious NHS resources that I may depend on in later life. Do you think we should ban alchohol?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 15:17:17 GMT
Here's some balance; Alcohol plays a large part in development of Type 2 diabetes, that swallows up fully 10% of the entire NHS budget. Around 230 people a year die on UK roads and around 9000 are injured where a driver was found to be over the alcohol limit. Try explaining your 'balance' to someone who has lost a loved one because a drunk has got behind the wheel and killed them. Then we move on to domestic abuse; We've already covered the crazy 'free for all punch up' that City centres have become, that's largely Policed by the way by Officers on overtime rates of pay. You may be happy to pay for that, there are other things I would rather those officers were doing. I have more, lots more. So here's the thing. If you want to go and dig a hole, sit in it and quietly drink yourself to death, go ahead, but I don't want the selfish behaviour of others to increase the tax that I have to pay, to make me stepping out of my front door more dangerous, or to swallow up precious NHS resources that I may depend on in later life. Do you think we should ban alchohol? Not for me to say. But I don't think it's right or proper that a situation is allowed to continue where its use adversely affects the lives of others. Likewise, why are there places reserved in The Lords for grown ups who still cling to their childhood beliefs of invisible friends. These people are clearly mentally unwell and shouldn't be anywhere near the process of making decisions that affect normal people.
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Post by toteend3 on May 8, 2020 17:20:57 GMT
If, i can take you back to the seventies when football /pub thuggery was the norm, many of my friends, one might describe as 'nutters'. I shared flats, with several who fell In that catogry, and whereas alcohol certainly played its part in encouraging the masse's' to misbehave. However from my experence the really 'deranged' did not need drink or drugs - if that 'red mist' came down than look out!
I am firmly of the opinion that, the world now is a much safer place to live in, and if anything, for alot of people having a few beers in moderation may well have a calming effect - its always worked for me!
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