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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:46:16 GMT
Tell that to people who had their livelihoods or businesses destroyed by EU policies that they never voted for and their MEP was powerless to change.
When you have nothing and the landscape around you looks bleak, you may as well vote for change. Is that personal experience Bambi? If so can you elaborate ? I'm genuinely interested btw if you care to share. When you write this stuff the conversation normally drifts off to talking about fishing rights etc, then it gets bogged down in EU procedure and whether we can (could) actually affect direction of travel of EU policy, then we end up quoting people who support our point of view. Then you get accused of cherry picking soundbites. Oldie has on multiple occasions challenged all comers to name just 1 EU policy that has directly adversely affected them. I have one, it was a pointless piece of legislation, I took part in the consultation process, but the decision was already made, we were signing up to it. I'll happily go over it by PM, because the explanation is too long winded for even me to post on here and explain why it was pointless for the UK to sign up to it and why it's benefited nobody but has hampered trade, guess what, from outside of the EU. Did it leave me destitute, no, I'm fine, but it was mighty frustrating seeing a viable business that employed about 20 people in Bristol being rendered unviable for no good reason.
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Post by Rex on May 6, 2020 11:19:05 GMT
Is that personal experience Bambi? If so can you elaborate ? I'm genuinely interested btw if you care to share. When you write this stuff the conversation normally drifts off to talking about fishing rights etc, then it gets bogged down in EU procedure and whether we can (could) actually affect direction of travel of EU policy, then we end up quoting people who support our point of view. Then you get accused of cherry picking soundbites. Oldie has on multiple occasions challenged all comers to name just 1 EU policy that has directly adversely affected them. I have one, it was a pointless piece of legislation, I took part in the consultation process, but the decision was already made, we were signing up to it. I'll happily go over it by PM, because the explanation is too long winded for even me to post on here and explain why it was pointless for the UK to sign up to it and why it's benefited nobody but has hampered trade, guess what, from outside of the EU. Did it leave me destitute, no, I'm fine, but it was mighty frustrating seeing a viable business that employed about 20 people in Bristol being rendered unviable for no good reason.That is awful. I voted remain but have often been sceptical about the EU and I just couldn't see any benefit whatsoever of leaving when we did and whenever I asked 'Oldies question' nobody could give me a sensible answer. I did watch a programme a couple of months back (might have been the Ed Balls one) I wish I could remember the exact details, but it did show some very poor rural Italian farmers who were absolutely f**ked by EU policy. Unfortunately I think the leave campaign did get railroaded by shysters and some blatant racism, which is a crying shame because there was a serious debate to be had. Before anyone jumps on my case about the racism accusation btw, I certainly don't mean all leavers are racist, that is clearly nonsense, but it is undeniable many (all?) racists thought 'Nows our time!'
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 11:46:29 GMT
When you write this stuff the conversation normally drifts off to talking about fishing rights etc, then it gets bogged down in EU procedure and whether we can (could) actually affect direction of travel of EU policy, then we end up quoting people who support our point of view. Then you get accused of cherry picking soundbites. Oldie has on multiple occasions challenged all comers to name just 1 EU policy that has directly adversely affected them. I have one, it was a pointless piece of legislation, I took part in the consultation process, but the decision was already made, we were signing up to it. I'll happily go over it by PM, because the explanation is too long winded for even me to post on here and explain why it was pointless for the UK to sign up to it and why it's benefited nobody but has hampered trade, guess what, from outside of the EU. Did it leave me destitute, no, I'm fine, but it was mighty frustrating seeing a viable business that employed about 20 people in Bristol being rendered unviable for no good reason.That is awful. I voted remain but have often been sceptical about the EU and I just couldn't see any benefit whatsoever of leaving when we did and whenever I asked 'Oldies question' nobody could give me a sensible answer. I did watch a programme a couple of months back (might have been the Ed Balls one) I wish I could remember the exact details, but it did show some very poor rural Italian farmers who were absolutely fed by EU policy. Unfortunately I think the leave campaign did get railroaded by shysters and some blatant racism, which is a crying shame because there was a serious debate to be had. Before anyone jumps on my case about the racism accusation btw, I certainly don't mean all leavers are racist, that is clearly nonsense, but it is undeniable many (all?) racists thought 'Nows our time!' Hey, nothing lasts forever, don't feel too bad, but the bottom line is that the EU is a protectionist racket, and there's no such thing as an 'EU grant', that's money from you and me. I'll never be able to think beyond the EU being a conglomeration of predominantly white western European countries that place sanctions on trade against the rest of the world, so where's the racism here exactly? And as was pointed out a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible not to notice in the EU Parliament that the area with most faces that were not white was where Farage was sitting. Nasty institution with no respect for nation states and a loathing for democracy. We are well out of it. Don't try to rewrite history, remember the likes of Thornbury going around the country trying to make people feel ashamed for wanting to show pride and patriotism. Let's see her talk in those terms about someone whose skin isn't white, you know what that would be, don't you. So it looks like 'Remain' had their share of racists on board as well.
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Post by Rex on May 6, 2020 11:56:52 GMT
That is awful. I voted remain but have often been sceptical about the EU and I just couldn't see any benefit whatsoever of leaving when we did and whenever I asked 'Oldies question' nobody could give me a sensible answer. I did watch a programme a couple of months back (might have been the Ed Balls one) I wish I could remember the exact details, but it did show some very poor rural Italian farmers who were absolutely fed by EU policy. Unfortunately I think the leave campaign did get railroaded by shysters and some blatant racism, which is a crying shame because there was a serious debate to be had. Before anyone jumps on my case about the racism accusation btw, I certainly don't mean all leavers are racist, that is clearly nonsense, but it is undeniable many (all?) racists thought 'Nows our time!' Hey, nothing lasts forever, don't feel too bad, but the bottom line is that the EU is a protectionist racket, and there's no such thing as an 'EU grant', that's money from you and me. I'll never be able to think beyond the EU being a conglomeration of predominantly white western European countries that place sanctions on trade against the rest of the world, so where's the racism here exactly? And as was pointed out a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible not to notice in the EU Parliament that the area with most faces that were not white was where Farage was sitting. Nasty institution with no respect for nation states and a loathing for democracy. We are well out of it. Don't try to rewrite history, remember the likes of Thornbury going around the country trying to make people feel ashamed for wanting to show pride and patriotism. Let's see her talk in those terms about someone whose skin isn't white, you know what that would be, don't you. So it looks like 'Remain' had their share of racists on board as well. I didn't really want to get bogged down in a racism row, those I were referring to are yer actual proper bigots who are racist whether they like to admit it or not. I will give you the example of my friend who thinks 'Just because I don't like Pakis' doesn't make him a racist it's 'personal preference'. The type of person who without fail, every St Georges day, will post something on Facebook along the lines of being proud to be English and doesn't care who it offends, despite the fact that no one is or ever has been offended by this
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 12:40:02 GMT
Hey, nothing lasts forever, don't feel too bad, but the bottom line is that the EU is a protectionist racket, and there's no such thing as an 'EU grant', that's money from you and me. I'll never be able to think beyond the EU being a conglomeration of predominantly white western European countries that place sanctions on trade against the rest of the world, so where's the racism here exactly? And as was pointed out a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible not to notice in the EU Parliament that the area with most faces that were not white was where Farage was sitting. Nasty institution with no respect for nation states and a loathing for democracy. We are well out of it. Don't try to rewrite history, remember the likes of Thornbury going around the country trying to make people feel ashamed for wanting to show pride and patriotism. Let's see her talk in those terms about someone whose skin isn't white, you know what that would be, don't you. So it looks like 'Remain' had their share of racists on board as well. I didn't really want to get bogged down in a racism row, those I were referring to are yer actual proper bigots who are racist whether they like to admit it or not. I will give you the example of my friend who thinks 'Just because I don't like Pakis' doesn't make him a racist it's 'personal preference'. The type of person who without fail, every St Georges day, will post something on Facebook along the lines of being proud to be English and doesn't care who it offends, despite the fact that no one is or ever has been offended by this Fair enough, but again, it's not all one way traffic, people like Professor Kehinde Andrews are regularly given airtime and he certainly does a decent impersonation of an anti-white, anti-British racist. He's the type of person offended by a Union Flag, or St George's Cross, and he's given plenty of opportunity to spread his message of hate. Idiots like Thornburry aren't sure what they'll get dragged over the coals for saying, know they ought to say something, so just give it a go, and normally get it wrong.
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Post by Rex on May 6, 2020 12:46:28 GMT
I didn't really want to get bogged down in a racism row, those I were referring to are yer actual proper bigots who are racist whether they like to admit it or not. I will give you the example of my friend who thinks 'Just because I don't like Pakis' doesn't make him a racist it's 'personal preference'. The type of person who without fail, every St Georges day, will post something on Facebook along the lines of being proud to be English and doesn't care who it offends, despite the fact that no one is or ever has been offended by this Fair enough, but again, it's not all one way traffic, people like Professor Kehinde Andrews are regularly given airtime and he certainly does a decent impersonation of an anti-white, anti-British racist. He's the type of person offended by a Union Flag, or St George's Cross, and he's given plenty of opportunity to spread his message of hate. Idiots like Thornburry aren't sure what they'll get dragged over the coals for saying, know they ought to say something, so just give it a go, and normally get it wrong. I'm afraid I don't know either of the people you mention, but I take your point. It's sad that social media lends itself to extreme views and gives the impression that the entire country has polarised views, when I suspect there is still a majority in the middle who don't care what colour you are, don't care what religion you are and don't care that your great great great great great grandfather once had something to do with the slave trade.
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Post by toteend3 on May 6, 2020 19:49:47 GMT
Yeah well anyway, for the record i would give up a week of the 'new normal' to have one 'stonking' match day 'tear up' under the 'old normal'
When we finally get liberated anyone interested in joining us for pre match breakfast / beers on Glos Road ?
Unfortunately i don't have a tardis so it could be a while, in the meantime you all stay safe.
They say two zero two zero party over oops out of time ( we're running out of time) so somenight we are going to party likes it 1999........
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 7, 2020 9:19:27 GMT
Yeah well anyway, for the record i would give up a week of the 'new normal' to have one 'stonking' match day 'tear up' under the 'old normal' When we finally get liberated anyone interested in joining us for pre match breakfast / beers on Glos Road ? Unfortunately i don't have a tardis so it could be a while, in the meantime you all stay safe. They say two zero two zero party over oops out of time ( we're running out of time) so somenight we are going to party likes it 1999........ I am loathing this stay safe stuff. I am loathing life like this. I truly feel I am losing my mind. How many books can you read, watch tv or listen to music ? Itβs more likely I will end up in the nuthouse than covid
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Post by toteend3 on May 7, 2020 15:41:43 GMT
Yep so very true, just take newspapers i have brought more in the last week than i have over the last couple of years. We've been flatlining for so long now, mentally its almost daily now that i have a moment and blurt out 'bo##ocks to this - ive had enough - iam going down the pub' If only! UTG
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 7, 2020 18:17:58 GMT
I'm loving it because none of you winkers can legally get close to me! π
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Post by toteend3 on May 8, 2020 8:36:00 GMT
Wife :Are you getting out of bed' Me : Why? Wife: Joe Wicks is doing an exercise class Me: Who? Wife: Its a 30 minute workout Me: What will that achieve apart from me pulling a muscle Wife: Arrrrh you are so Negative! Me: The sooner i get up the longer the day is ahead of me Wife: I give up - you can't educate pork! Me: Is that a blue movie? Wife: Iam taking the dog for a walk - you coming? Me: Not seen that one Wife: door slams! Me: Good - quilt over the head - that should kill an hour or two of monotony........
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 8:54:15 GMT
Yep so very true, just take newspapers i have brought more in the last week than i have over the last couple of years. We've been flatlining for so long now, mentally its almost daily now that i have a moment and blurt out 'bo##ocks to this - ive had enough - iam going down the pub' If only! UTG You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Give it time, soon you'll look back on your drunken past as wasted years. Why don't you do something useful with this opportunity, maybe learn a 2nd / 3rd language using an interactive platform, there are people literally all over the world who want to learn English, you can learn each others language together, or if that's not of interest, Bath Spa university are running a 3 year Contemporary Circus and Physical Performance degree course.
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Post by eppinggas on May 8, 2020 9:14:20 GMT
You seem to intimate that there is something wrong with the "spirit of the Empire"? I think it is very much alive and well. There seems to be a problem with people being proud of the country of their birth, somehow it's become politically incorrect. It is perfectly possible to be proud of your country and it's rich history, and to also embrace and welcome other cultures. This is something that the "Remain" camp could never quite work out. Patriotic but NOT racist? Surely not? On St George's Day I was putting up the bunting wearing a Union Berlin shirt. I don't see any conflict there. I respect Germans, lovely people (well obviously apart from the sun lounger behaviour). I think this "spirit of the Empire" goes some way to explaining the Brexit referendum result. And why people voted for something that almost certainly would have had a negative financial effect in the short term. I think you may possibly have read too much into that one Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2. The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 9:34:36 GMT
Or of course, be like Kyle Walker, for him the new normal is the same as the old normal, have a few sex workers round for a private party, drive long distance to see your sister and have physical contact with her, off to the parents to pick up some home cooked food and then out for a bicycle ride with a friend.
When it (rightly) gets reported in the media, his response is to complain that being scrutinised like this is bad for his mental health.
What a complete jackass!
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Post by toteend3 on May 8, 2020 9:50:53 GMT
Yep so very true, just take newspapers i have brought more in the last week than i have over the last couple of years. We've been flatlining for so long now, mentally its almost daily now that i have a moment and blurt out 'bo##ocks to this - ive had enough - iam going down the pub' If only! UTG You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Give it time, soon you'll look back on your drunken past as wasted years. Why don't you do something useful with this opportunity, maybe learn a 2nd / 3rd language using an interactive platform, there are people literally all over the world who want to learn English, you can learn each others language together, or if that's not of interest, Bath Spa university are running a 3 year Contemporary Circus and Physical Performance degree course. My Wife would like to meet you - She says 'Oh what a lovely man and he only wants to help' and there was me thinking ' hes taking the pi**
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 10:00:00 GMT
You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Give it time, soon you'll look back on your drunken past as wasted years. Why don't you do something useful with this opportunity, maybe learn a 2nd / 3rd language using an interactive platform, there are people literally all over the world who want to learn English, you can learn each others language together, or if that's not of interest, Bath Spa university are running a 3 year Contemporary Circus and Physical Performance degree course. My Wife would like to meet you - She says 'Oh what a lovely man and he only wants to help' and there was me thinking ' hes taking the pi** Seriously, learn at least 1 more language, you'll meet others who can speak it, then you can insult random passers by without them even realising. And the things you can say to your Wife during those 'intimate' moments. She'll think you are being romantic, the poor fool.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 8, 2020 10:11:10 GMT
Yep so very true, just take newspapers i have brought more in the last week than i have over the last couple of years. We've been flatlining for so long now, mentally its almost daily now that i have a moment and blurt out 'bo##ocks to this - ive had enough - iam going down the pub' If only! UTG You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Sounds good to me.. π Throw in a bit of porn and the Gas, what's not to like?! π Lighten up, Bambi.... methinks you've indulged in all four to a lesser extent so you know, stones and sin and all that..?
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Post by a more piratey game on May 8, 2020 10:16:18 GMT
I think you may possibly have read too much into that one Fair point Rex! I was just having a bit of a poke at a "Guardian reader" for a bit of banter... So on VE Day, here's another ramble. English people are generally quite proud of the country of their birth. Most nationalities are. I think the Leave campaign tapped into this. It particularly resonates with the older generation - as was born out in the demographic of the referendum result. 1. One could argue the older you are, the wiser you are. (Just kidding, no need to answer that). 2. The older generation identify much more with being English. The younger generation appear to be happy to identify with being European. The older generation are closer to WWII. Our parents and grandparents lived through it. What did you do when you played out as a kid? "Let's play war. England vs Germany". Alternatively cowboys and indians (Sorry cowboys vs indiginous native Americans). We also have (perhaps a rose-tinted) perception of the UK and it's former empire, when we really were a global super-power. It only takes Captain Tom talking, Darkest Hour, or even a Dame Vera Lynne documentary and I get all nostalgic and very very "English". Stiff upper lip and all that. Told you it was a bit of a ramble. Just trying to explain what it means to me to be English. On VE Day. Eisern Union and Up The Gas. OK, now you've fessed up I'll have a nibble... I was originally responding to the 'firm handshake and stiff upper lip at the Civil Service Club' comment by referring to the 'spirit of Empire' as being one of oppression of other nations via repressed civil servants who were brought up in boarding schools as preparation for 'service' across the Empire. The sort of culture that meant that a chap should keep his tunic on in the heat of the desert. See the film White Mischief as a point of reference maybe. Just one of the results being a lot of emotional retardation in the service of 'the country' Since then we've 'progressed', in gazillions of ways. This is why Dr Faustus gets all publicly gooey at the thought of hugging his family, I think The upsides of the old world view seem to me to be a spirit of adventure, a prioritisation of 'public service' (which is not a phrase which is common amongst da yoof, I think), and (among the best people from those times) aligning personal with public responsibility I see a lot of the latter still in daily life, especially at the moment, although funnily enough not so much of it on social media, and I don't think it's at all incompatible with modern life But then, I think the Mash Report has some laugh-out-loud moments every episode. And I identify primarily as British, rather than English. And I wouldn't dream of identifying myself as something like 'eppinggas' - that would just highlight the caravan in which I was currently staying, rather than identifying something meaningful about myself (says he who uses 'a more piratey game', thus undermining that line entirely - arrgghhh!!!!)
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Post by trymer on May 8, 2020 10:29:10 GMT
Yep so very true, just take newspapers i have brought more in the last week than i have over the last couple of years. We've been flatlining for so long now, mentally its almost daily now that i have a moment and blurt out 'bo##ocks to this - ive had enough - iam going down the pub' If only! UTG You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Give it time, soon you'll look back on your drunken past as wasted years. Why don't you do something useful with this opportunity, maybe learn a 2nd / 3rd language using an interactive platform, there are people literally all over the world who want to learn English, you can learn each others language together, or if that's not of interest, Bath Spa university are running a 3 year Contemporary Circus and Physical Performance degree course. I agree with a lot of this post,I stopped drinking alcohol last August,it was only for a month while I changed my training routine but I haven't had a drink since and with the warm weather and lockdown I am quite pleased about that,noticing the recycling bins when I am out running it seems quite a few must me drinking more. I have really enjoyed the last few weeks and the weeks go by so quickly,I have quite a few interests and with exercising,running or walking early mornings,jobs around the house,reading and the internet my days and nights are full,plus I am saving money on gym subs,haircuts (my significant other is getting quite good at keeping my barnet neat) and fuel. OK I do miss Pilates,country walks,eating out and the gym but all in all having a healthy relationship + plenty of interests = me loving lockdown.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 10:33:18 GMT
You do seem to be a bit obsessed with pubs and alcohol. Sounds good to me.. π Throw in a bit of porn and the Gas, what's not to like?! π Lighten up, Bambi.... methinks you've indulged in all four to a lesser extent so you know, stones and sin and all that..? Many many years since I've consumed alcohol, people who drink just aren't nice to be around. I have a friend who works in A&E, she calls Friday and Saturday evenings 'Fight nights'. They often need Police in the hospital to keep order, in a hospital FFS!
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