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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 9:02:42 GMT
As always, ridiculous double standards and picking luke warm arguments.
I see your rubber bullets and raise you the 4 Police officers shot with real bullets overnight in St Louis alone.
Anybody who thinks this is right wing driven can't be taken seriously.
The facts, all supported by evidence are laid out above.
Swiss has explained it simply, twice.
This is the left wing media deciding that seeing streets in flames is a price worth paying as part of an election campaign.
But then, those devising and delivering the campaign won't be living in any of the areas being destroyed. This is exactly the 'gated community' argument put forward, but when it's been put forward on here previously, the problem was that the person using it didn't understand it. Well, here it is, in action. Get it now?
I quite like Blue Lives Matter. Nice to see them getting plenty of media time here and stateside, as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 11:24:00 GMT
Meanwhile Over in Philly, protesters are trapped up against a wall and this happens
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 11:27:29 GMT
Whilst in Seattle, protesters, without a hint of violence, chant "We don't see no riot here, take off your riot gear"
And then this happens
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 11:46:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 12:08:58 GMT
Would you take off your riot gear and lay down your weapon in a country where every nut job is armed to the teeth? Best make sure you get your affairs in order before you do is my best advice.
Now, about those 4 Police shot, with real bullets in St Louis. No comment on that. Classy as ever.
No point accusing others of being in denial when you repeatedly stubbornly refuse to even consider looking objectively at the factors that lead to what's caused the scenes we are witnessing.
Still no comment on assassins from Black Lives Matter murdering Police.
You have the evidence, you won't look at it. Go watch some more CNN or the BBC, they're right on message, it's not an accurate reflection, but what they pump out informs morons, who then run around spouting just that side of the argument.
I've already said, I'll represent what you are trying to argue far better than you are, but it's just not a winning argument because it's not honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 12:15:14 GMT
I am actually not arguing for anything. I made my views known on the ongoing extent of racism in the USA before all this kicked off. Now this happens. This is the video evidence.
Just to make my point really. I wonder if Swiss will come back and say it's all exaggerated because look" they joke about things on Saturday Night Live".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:03:24 GMT
I am actually not arguing for anything. I made my views known on the ongoing extent of racism in the USA before all this kicked off. Now this happens. This is the video evidence. Just to make my point really. I wonder if Swiss will come back and say it's all exaggerated because look" they joke about things on Saturday Night Live". You've had numerous opportunities over weeks to acknowledge data and research, you won't, all you want to do is be outraged on behalf of one side of the argument. Black crime stats. Silence. White civilians killed by black officers. Silence. Total number unarmed white people killed by Police far exceeding black deaths. Silence. Black lives matters activists murdering Police. Silence. Professor Peterson. Silence. Report which actually supports some of what you say, but gives context, and disproves other suggestions you make. Silence, because you didn't read it. You demand evidence, then refuse to review it or comment on it. You don't want to learn at all, you just want to rant on behalf on one side of politics. It's utterly ridiculous. If anybody else acted like this you would have no end of insults for them, and rightly so. This isn't even a debate, you have nothing to offer. One final thing. That comment on China the other day, where you suggest that our position outside of the EU would somehow be inferior. If you actually read and kept up with things you would know about Project Defend. The EU have nothing similar. Why do you keep doing this? You go off on one and make yourself look totally uninformed. Britain are doing precisely what we should to limit dependency on China and ensure that we can apply diplomatic and economic pressure, the EU are bound by the EU ~ PRC trade agreement. You've tried to start an argument here with your pants around your ankles. That's not my fault, you raised the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:20:21 GMT
Yet still over 30% of Africans, when asked, say that they want to migrate, almost all say that they want to go to America or Britain. You'll have to forgive the rather ugly metaphor, but when talking to you I think I need to try to keep things as simple as possible, so here goes, there was a bit of a shortage of Jewish people desperate to break in to Germany in the early 1940s, and with good reason. Go figure.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2020 13:34:06 GMT
I am actually not arguing for anything. I made my views known on the ongoing extent of racism in the USA before all this kicked off. Now this happens. This is the video evidence. Just to make my point really. I wonder if Swiss will come back and say it's all exaggerated because look" they joke about things on Saturday Night Live". " It's all exaggerated Oldie and when the young people get tired of this "recreational violence" things will calm down and the rest of us will be left to clear up the mess. We discussed this four days before the George Floyd incident happened and I suggested then that certain sections of the media and political establishment were actively looking for grievances and deliberately trying to stir up trouble. Now, sensible people here can see what is happening and are refusing to be provoked which is the best way to thwart those intent on disrupting society.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:48:39 GMT
I am actually not arguing for anything. I made my views known on the ongoing extent of racism in the USA before all this kicked off. Now this happens. This is the video evidence. Just to make my point really. I wonder if Swiss will come back and say it's all exaggerated because look" they joke about things on Saturday Night Live". " It's all exaggerated Oldie and when the young people get tired of this "recreational violence" things will calm down and the rest of us will be left to clear up the mess. We discussed this four days before the George Floyd incident happened and I suggested then that certain sections of the media and political establishment were actively looking for grievances and deliberately trying to stir up trouble. Now, sensible people here can see what is happening and are refusing to be provoked which is the best way to thwart those intent on disrupting society. Just for information Swiss, in case you aren't following UK news, it's 100% biased with zero objectivity. No point even trying to talk to Oldie rationally, he thinks that rubber bullets used against rioters are more serious than real bullets used by rioters against Police. Welcome to the totally deranged, in fact, disturbed, world view of modern left wing UK politics. It does a disservice to normal people with traditional left wing values to have these nut jobs lumped under the same banner.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 14:20:55 GMT
Ha Comical Ali at his finest. It's not happening....the media are making it up. It's a vile left wing plot. Ummmmmmm......
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2020 14:35:56 GMT
" It's all exaggerated Oldie and when the young people get tired of this "recreational violence" things will calm down and the rest of us will be left to clear up the mess. We discussed this four days before the George Floyd incident happened and I suggested then that certain sections of the media and political establishment were actively looking for grievances and deliberately trying to stir up trouble. Now, sensible people here can see what is happening and are refusing to be provoked which is the best way to thwart those intent on disrupting society. Just for information Swiss, in case you aren't following UK news, it's 100% biased with zero objectivity. No point even trying to talk to Oldie rationally, he thinks that rubber bullets used against rioters are more serious than real bullets used by rioters against Police. Welcome to the totally deranged, in fact, disturbed, world view of modern left wing UK politics. It does a disservice to normal people with traditional left wing values to have these nut jobs lumped under the same banner. I think most of our generation were brought up with "shhh the news is on" which probably stems from our parents experience in 1939-45 when there was a real war which affected everyone. These days I know many who refuse to watch the news and, although I'm interested in current events, I only take a cursory glance because all it does is wind you up. There have been some genteel protests here in Lexington KY with a few hundred people led by the same activists I talked about before who put the statues before the poverty. I'm told one of our employees, a young African American lady, came in late rather sheepishly yesterday and said she had been "downtown on the protest" last night. And a few of my son's College friends have taken part with some of the feedback being "shall we go to Louisville tomorrow there's more action (shooting) there". If you were on Tote End away days in the 1970's you will understand the way it is, if you want fist fights with possible arrest and imprisonment you are at the front and if you want the thrill of the chase but minimum risk you are more towards the back of the crowd. I heard a bad joke ... "which group of heroes are we clapping today Governor, is it the looters ?" ... but nothing about this is funny because the smug politicians and media people who stir up the trouble go back to their safe "gated communities" each night and it is the poor people they are pretending to help who always have to pay the price.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 14:36:55 GMT
Nobody has said that anything isn't happening, apart from you.
You are the person who has ignored every single fact that I've put forward which may have enabled us to have had an adult conversation.
Yes, people are destroying their own neighbourhoods, brilliant, simply brilliant.
You've had plenty of evidence, if you cared about truth you would have read it and you wouldn't be saying the stuff you are.
Why aren't you outraged on behalf of the 4 Police shot last night with real bullets?
This is why you can't be taken seriously.
And yes, your politics are vile, pure poison that wrecks people's lives and turns them to this rather than giving a positive message.
Shame on you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 14:41:02 GMT
Just for information Swiss, in case you aren't following UK news, it's 100% biased with zero objectivity. No point even trying to talk to Oldie rationally, he thinks that rubber bullets used against rioters are more serious than real bullets used by rioters against Police. Welcome to the totally deranged, in fact, disturbed, world view of modern left wing UK politics. It does a disservice to normal people with traditional left wing values to have these nut jobs lumped under the same banner. I think most of our generation were brought up with "shhh the news is on" which probably stems from our parents experience in 1939-45 when there was a real war which affected everyone. These days I know many who refuse to watch the news and, although I'm interested in current events, I only take a cursory glance because all it does is wind you up. There have been some genteel protests here in Lexington KY with a few hundred people led by the same activists I talked about before who put the statues before the poverty. I'm told one of our employees, a young African American lady, came in late rather sheepishly yesterday and said she had been "downtown on the protest" last night. And a few of my son's College friends have taken part with some of the feedback being "shall we go to Louisville tomorrow there's more action (shooting) there". If you were on Tote End away days in the 1970's you will understand the way it is, if you want fist fights with possible arrest and imprisonment you are at the front and if you want the thrill of the chase but minimum risk you are more towards the back of the crowd. I heard a bad joke ... "which group of heroes are we clapping today Governor, is it the looters ?" ... but nothing about this is funny because the smug politicians and media people who stir up the trouble go back to their safe "gated communities" each night and it is the poor people they are pretending to help who always have to pay the price. Exactly that. It's a modern trait, a tactic of the left. Act in an unpleasant way and then accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 15:01:06 GMT
I think most of our generation were brought up with "shhh the news is on" which probably stems from our parents experience in 1939-45 when there was a real war which affected everyone. These days I know many who refuse to watch the news and, although I'm interested in current events, I only take a cursory glance because all it does is wind you up. There have been some genteel protests here in Lexington KY with a few hundred people led by the same activists I talked about before who put the statues before the poverty. I'm told one of our employees, a young African American lady, came in late rather sheepishly yesterday and said she had been "downtown on the protest" last night. And a few of my son's College friends have taken part with some of the feedback being "shall we go to Louisville tomorrow there's more action (shooting) there". If you were on Tote End away days in the 1970's you will understand the way it is, if you want fist fights with possible arrest and imprisonment you are at the front and if you want the thrill of the chase but minimum risk you are more towards the back of the crowd. I heard a bad joke ... "which group of heroes are we clapping today Governor, is it the looters ?" ... but nothing about this is funny because the smug politicians and media people who stir up the trouble go back to their safe "gated communities" each night and it is the poor people they are pretending to help who always have to pay the price. Exactly that. It's a modern trait, a tactic of the left. Act in an unpleasant way and then accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing yourself. Yeah You tell em The cop that killed the chap, now accuses the protesters of acting like him....ummmm...is that right? Man, you literally could not make this s**t up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 15:16:14 GMT
Exactly that. It's a modern trait, a tactic of the left. Act in an unpleasant way and then accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing yourself. Yeah You tell em The cop that killed the chap, now accuses the protesters of acting like him....ummmm...is that right? Man, you literally could not make this s*** up. Pure deflection, that related to the highlighted bit in the quoted post. Keep digging. You couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. Ridiculous character. You goaded me about not providing that EU evidence, then when you had it pretended in a post to Shoveler that you didn't want it. Had your arse handed to you on a plate, again, when you try to talk down to people about our relationship with China. Isn't it embarrassing for you? Seriously, if anybody else wrote the utter crap that you do you would mock them mercilessly, and they would deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 15:27:54 GMT
Yeah You tell em The cop that killed the chap, now accuses the protesters of acting like him....ummmm...is that right? Man, you literally could not make this s*** up. Pure deflection, that related to the highlighted bit in the quoted post. Keep digging. You couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. Ridiculous character. You goaded me about not providing that EU evidence, then when you had it pretended in a post to Shoveler that you didn't want it. Had your arse handed to you on a plate, again, when you try to talk down to people about our relationship with China. Isn't it embarrassing for you? Seriously, if anybody else wrote the utter crap that you do you would mock them mercilessly, and they would deserve it. Go baby, keep rocking
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:18:32 GMT
Pure deflection, that related to the highlighted bit in the quoted post. Keep digging. You couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. Ridiculous character. You goaded me about not providing that EU evidence, then when you had it pretended in a post to Shoveler that you didn't want it. Had your arse handed to you on a plate, again, when you try to talk down to people about our relationship with China. Isn't it embarrassing for you? Seriously, if anybody else wrote the utter crap that you do you would mock them mercilessly, and they would deserve it. Go baby, keep rocking Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Well, that certainly undermined every quote and piece of research that I've presented and makes the EU's position in relation to China seem much more reasonable than the UK's. You win this debate hands down. Well done you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 18:28:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 18:56:26 GMT
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Here is a statement from Washington Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory regarding the planned visit today from the president at the Saint John Paul II National Shrine: I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace. Archbishop Gregory will participate in an Online Dialogue with the Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life at Georgetown University this Friday, June 5, from 12 noon - 1 p.m. EDT to discuss “Racism in Our Streets and Structures - A Test of Faith, A Crisis for Our Nation.” More detailed information and registration for this Zoom discussion here: catholicsocialthought.georgetown.edu/events/racism-in-our-streets-and-structuresOn Sunday, May 31, Washington Archbishop Wilton Gregory released this statement on the Memorial Day death of George Floyd: In astonishment, we are seeing the reactions of people across the United States as they express feelings of frustration, hurt, and anger in their cry for justice for George Floyd, whom we painfully watched being suffocated in front of our eyes on video in Minneapolis, Minnesota this past week. Many of us remember similar incidents in our history that accompanied the Civil Rights Movement, where we repeatedly saw Black Americans viciously brutalized by police on television and in newspaper photos. Those historic moments helped to rouse our national conscience to the African American experience in the United States and now, in 2020, we tragically still see repeated incidents of police brutality against African Americans. We find ourselves in this national moment again with the awakening of our conscience by heartbreaking photos and video that clearly confirm that racism still endures in our country. On television and in social media, we are observing an overflow of pain felt acutely in the African American community and shared by too many other communities.
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