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Post by eppinggas on Apr 22, 2020 23:37:26 GMT
That's a great read. Welcome to reality, football. CV, the virus that burst the bubble. (And yes, of course the suffering on a human scale is far more important, bit this is after all a football forum).
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2020 7:18:39 GMT
I hope clubs can be put on some kind of existence that just keeps them alive,until - hopefully sooner than later - things get back to normal.
For the business people amongst us and in layman terms please,what's it take to furlough a whole football club?
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 23, 2020 7:30:04 GMT
I guess the aim of a true football club can often conflict with the aim of the owners. One wants success on a sporting scale whilst the other one wants money. When football is more a business than a sport then it's inevitable that it will feel pain during a recession/depression/vacuum.
Did we ever get the Pheonix club up and running? That's all we really need during such times.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 23, 2020 7:31:06 GMT
I see pretty much every player in the bottom 2 divisions being released. What this will mean in the future for average wages, who knows.
I think it's almost inevitable there will be some restructuring of the leagues depending on who survives and how long it goes on. Even if football starts there aren't going to be any crowds. Almost better for it not to restart as that is the best way for clubs to survive as an entity. No players and minimal staff til such time as things are required .
People have knocked regionalisation but could we see a split bottom division into 2 or 3? League One North/South. Maybe an amalgamation with the conference and have a League One North/South/Midlands or something,a llowing the
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 23, 2020 7:34:06 GMT
I hope clubs can be put on some kind of existence that just keeps them alive,until - hopefully sooner than later - things get back to normal. For the business people amongst us and in layman terms please,what's it take to furlough a whole football club? The best way for clubs to survive is probably no football at all and laying off every one bar minimal staff. Mothball everything until football is able to be played in front of crowds. That's unlikely though, but playing with next to no income and having the associated costs is more likely to kill clubs
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 23, 2020 7:55:07 GMT
Once we go back to football as a spectator sport, and I just can’t see it being this year, as that there has to be a genuine salary cap at all levels. The largesse of owners ploughing funds into what is in any other business an unsustainable model has to stop.
The complete charlatan Gordon Taylor and the PFA will throw their toys out of the pram, but the days of third tier players on thousands a week playing for the likes Fleetwood or Peterborough with their pitiful support are surely over.
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2020 7:59:39 GMT
I hope clubs can be put on some kind of existence that just keeps them alive,until - hopefully sooner than later - things get back to normal. For the business people amongst us and in layman terms please,what's it take to furlough a whole football club? The best way for clubs to survive is probably no football at all and laying off every one bar minimal staff. Mothball everything until football is able to be played in front of crowds. That's unlikely though, but playing with next to no income and having the associated costs is more likely to kill clubs Much as I thought PP.Thanks. Supporters volunteering to work for no cash will become even more prevalent now.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2020 8:40:08 GMT
Once we go back to football as a spectator sport, and I just can’t see it being this year, as that there has to be a genuine salary cap at all levels. The largesse of owners ploughing funds into what is in any other business an unsustainable model has to stop. The complete charlatan Gordon Taylor and the PFA will throw their toys out of the pram, but the days of third tier players on thousands a week playing for the likes Fleetwood or Peterborough with their pitiful support are surely over. Absolutely Father (let's just steer clear of discussing the merits of different Football Clubs in Berlin). A long over-due reset button. Lower league footballers salaries will go down. I think the same will happen in the top 2 tiers for slightly different reasons. Agents may not have the bargaining power they once had. So that's a big plus. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52381612So tier 5 & 6 won't be finishing their season (promotion/relegation yet to be decided). The precedent set by by Scottish football has now been accepted England in tier 5 and below It's only a question of time before tiers 3 and 4 follow IMHO. PL will finish behind closed doors with extensive TV coverage. I'm not sure about the championship, but given the lack of football elsewhere, I can see them following the PL model because it will generate enough TV revenue to make it worth their while. Well that's what I think the future beckons. UTG.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2020 8:49:03 GMT
I guess the aim of a true football club can often conflict with the aim of the owners. One wants success on a sporting scale whilst the other one wants money. When football is more a business than a sport then it's inevitable that it will feel pain during a recession/depression/vacuum. Did we ever get the Pheonix club up and running? That's all we really need during such times. Wasn't that Peter Kaye? On a less flippant note. I think we will see any number of Clubs go to the wall and Phoenix Clubs replace them. With the aim (I guess) of running Clubs as errr... Clubs, and not as incompetent local businesses. Not about the money. More about Football in the community. Oh, I really quite like the sound of that.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 23, 2020 8:58:46 GMT
Brian Potter: I have a dream, people, I have a dream. If we build it, they will come.
Les: Build what?
Brian Potter: A new Phoenix.
Jerry St Clair: Here we go again.
Brian Potter: Bigger, better, faster, stronger, rising out of the ashes. A superclub, a King of clubs only this time we'll have it all. A restaurant, a bistro - we'll serve food.
Jerry St Clair: Food eh?
Brian Potter: But not just any old food Jerry. Proper food - scampi, chicken Kievs, garlic bread...
Max: Garlic bread?
Brian Potter: Garlic bread, that's right Max. Garlic bread - it's the future, I've tasted it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 9:49:58 GMT
Brian Potter: I have a dream, people, I have a dream. If we build it, they will come. Les: Build what? Brian Potter: A new Phoenix. Jerry St Clair: Here we go again. Brian Potter: Bigger, better, faster, stronger, rising out of the ashes. A superclub, a King of clubs only this time we'll have it all. A restaurant, a bistro - we'll serve food. Jerry St Clair: Food eh? Brian Potter: But not just any old food Jerry. Proper food - scampi, chicken Kievs, garlic bread... Max: Garlic bread? Brian Potter: Garlic bread, that's right Max. Garlic bread - it's the future, I've tasted it. 😁😁
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 24, 2020 8:32:56 GMT
Another football / CV related story from the BBC (in case anyones missed it) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52371373. The reset button. "Tranmere chairman and former FA chief executive Mark Palios has warned that the number of clubs becoming insolvent could reach double figures". Not sure if those Clubs are more likely to be in the bottom two tiers or not.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Apr 24, 2020 9:01:12 GMT
Another football / CV related story from the BBC (in case anyones missed it) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52371373. The reset button. "Tranmere chairman and former FA chief executive Mark Palios has warned that the number of clubs becoming insolvent could reach double figures". Not sure if those Clubs are more likely to be in the bottom two tiers or not. No surprise on that figure I guess, and even when a semblance of normality return's the fallout could go on for years as club's try to get the fans back and going regularly again. We do not have any form of lockdown in Taiwan, yet people in general are not doing the things that they would regularly do, restaurants, cinema's, leisure and sports event's are all struggling in a major way.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 24, 2020 9:52:40 GMT
Another football / CV related story from the BBC (in case anyones missed it) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52371373. The reset button. "Tranmere chairman and former FA chief executive Mark Palios has warned that the number of clubs becoming insolvent could reach double figures". Not sure if those Clubs are more likely to be in the bottom two tiers or not. No surprise on that figure I guess, and even when a semblance of normality return's the fallout could go on for years as club's try to get the fans back and going regularly again. We do not have any form of lockdown in Taiwan, yet people in general are not doing the things that they would regularly do, restaurants, cinema's, leisure and sports event's are all struggling in a major way. As one of the people who received the letter which , very directly, tell me to stay in and not be near another person, I feel many will still not want to venture out once the restrictions are lifted. I am not one of them as I’m finding life extremely difficult and have got to a stage where I’m losing track of days and have not eaten on some days. This isn’t life but it’s existing. I would take my chances, even now. I hate shopping in supermarkets but now it’s the highlight of the week. If I had a chance to go to a Mts house, I’d be joyous. I cannot articulate just how badly this has affected me. I didn’t exactly have much of a social life but at least I got to speak to another human being. Anyway, getting back to your post, I think a large amount would stay clear and so I agree with you
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 26, 2020 8:29:28 GMT
No surprise on that figure I guess, and even when a semblance of normality return's the fallout could go on for years as club's try to get the fans back and going regularly again. We do not have any form of lockdown in Taiwan, yet people in general are not doing the things that they would regularly do, restaurants, cinema's, leisure and sports event's are all struggling in a major way. As one of the people who received the letter which , very directly, tell me to stay in and not be near another person, I feel many will still not want to venture out once the restrictions are lifted. I am not one of them as I’m finding life extremely difficult and have got to a stage where I’m losing track of days and have not eaten on some days. This isn’t life but it’s existing. I would take my chances, even now. I hate shopping in supermarkets but now it’s the highlight of the week. If I had a chance to go to a Mts house, I’d be joyous. I cannot articulate just how badly this has affected me. I didn’t exactly have much of a social life but at least I got to speak to another human being. Anyway, getting back to your post, I think a large amount would stay clear and so I agree with you I sense the weekly trio to the supermarket is the highlight of most people's weeks, although mine was oddly quiet yesterday afternoon, I didn't even need to queue!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 9:29:45 GMT
Once we go back to football as a spectator sport, and I just can’t see it being this year, as that there has to be a genuine salary cap at all levels. The largesse of owners ploughing funds into what is in any other business an unsustainable model has to stop. The complete charlatan Gordon Taylor and the PFA will throw their toys out of the pram, but the days of third tier players on thousands a week playing for the likes Fleetwood or Peterborough with their pitiful support are surely over. You are on dangerous ground there. You are talking about interfering in a contract that 2 parties are mutually agreeing to enter into. Not good. Market forces decide these things, not someone imposing their opinion. No, I don't have a solution to Alexis Sanchez' contract at Utd being worth ITRO half a million quid a week. It sounds like it's too much. No argument to that in principle. But it's a complicated question.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 26, 2020 11:18:08 GMT
Once we go back to football as a spectator sport, and I just can’t see it being this year, as that there has to be a genuine salary cap at all levels. The largesse of owners ploughing funds into what is in any other business an unsustainable model has to stop. The complete charlatan Gordon Taylor and the PFA will throw their toys out of the pram, but the days of third tier players on thousands a week playing for the likes Fleetwood or Peterborough with their pitiful support are surely over. You are on dangerous ground there. You are talking about interfering in a contract that 2 parties are mutually agreeing to enter into. Not good. Market forces decide these things, not someone imposing their opinion. No, I don't have a solution to Alexis Sanchez' contract at Utd being worth ITRO half a million quid a week. It sounds like it's too much. No argument to that in principle. But it's a complicated question. 1. I guess new contracts could look very different moving forward. Maybe even some EFL type 'template' contract of employment could be used? 2. Rugby have a salary cap on a per / Club basis. That works well. Until you get caught cheating
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:25:04 GMT
It will be a long time before stadium or terrace football exists again, and the businesses will go bust in the meantime. Fortunately, it will be a huge adjustment for all clubs. Once professional footballers are on massively lower wages, supporters will be able to buy tickets affordably, and the revenue will be enough for the clubs to make a profit. Can you imagine?
Perhaps third and fourth division player wages will be similar to our own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:31:23 GMT
It will be a long time before stadium or terrace football exists again, and the businesses will go bust in the meantime. Fortunately, it will be a huge adjustment for all clubs. Once professional footballers are on massively lower wages, supporters will be able to buy tickets affordably, and the revenue will be enough for the clubs to make a profit. Can you imagine? Perhaps third and fourth division player wages will be similar to our own. Are you mad! Clubs won't make a profit as they'll seek to put out the best possible team they can afford to give them the best opportunity of winning. It doesn't matter how good your marketing team are, nothing sells tickets like a winning team. And so the treadmill carries on.
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