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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 14:16:14 GMT
Why just League 2? That seems a bit strange.
There are really only 2 options here; a)cancel the season and simply start it again from scratch when everything restarts or b)resume where it left off. I can't see how the Scottish option can possibly work. Aston Villa are currently in the Premer League relegation zone with a game in hand. You can't just end the season and relegate them. Neither can you just tie up the loose end by getting them or clubs in a similar position) to play the extra game. Both options are ridiculous.
I guess it's easier for an idea to coalesce around just one division. So the League 2 owners are taking the initiative. If they agree, then I can see League 1 going the same way (they are already discussing this - see below) and eventually the championship. Like I said earlier - the Scottish FA have decided to end the season "as is". This is the 3rd option. There are pros and cons - but I think it's the fairest way forward causing the least amount of financial harm. As for games in hand - I think you just apply the Clubs season "points per game" and that's it. No more complicated than that. We'll see who is right in the long run... www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/screw-you-league-one-owner-4060721The ever charming Darragh MacAnthony would appear to not understand how the furlough system works. Moron.
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Post by Rex on Apr 20, 2020 14:30:34 GMT
Epping tend to agree with you that the UK has historically not been insular. Indeed I think we have been very open. We tend to easily absorb other culturals. The English Channel has however had different functions over time. It was until Henry VIII viewed as a highway to the continent and indeed the Norman English Kings were often more French than English. That changed with good old Henry VIII which made a decisive break with the continent for his own reasons. I however very much feel very European (I like the US but more and more feel it is culturally more distinct to us than European culture) and I dont agree with British exceptionalism. We were always open to the world but we have always had a slightly high opinion of ourselves, but that is not unusual for nations, the Yanks, the Chinese, the French, the Russians, the Japanese and indeed the Italians (the Romans) have all had it as one time or the other and many others. Anyway as I say we need to concentrate on this country now and what happens to the EU is up to them. The Norman kings weren't 'often more French than English' they were exclusively French. Henry 1st was admittedly born in England, but to French parents. After the Norman kings there were a couple more born in France (and later Holland and Germany) I will be marking everyone's History homework later .
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 14:32:30 GMT
Note - I think the PL will finish behind close doors. So in my cunning plan - only 2 go down from the PL as in my imaginary world play-offs will be scrapped as being unnecessary. Championship: Leeds & West Brom promoted, Luton & Barnsley relegated. Division 1: Coventry & Rotherham promoted, Bolton & Southend relegated. Division 2: Crewe, Swindon & Plymouth promoted (Swindle as champions as their game in hand "points per game" gives them the title). Stevenage relegated. So no need to apply a "points per game" to decide on promotion / relegation issues in the EFL. Plus the sh*t are denied the chance of a play-off place. Aaaaarrrrrhhhhhhh. What's not to like? Job sorted.
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Post by dido on Apr 20, 2020 14:36:27 GMT
And what do you do with Bolton?
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Post by dido on Apr 20, 2020 14:38:51 GMT
Why just League 2? That seems a bit strange.
There are really only 2 options here; a)cancel the season and simply start it again from scratch when everything restarts or b)resume where it left off. I can't see how the Scottish option can possibly work. Aston Villa are currently in the Premer League relegation zone with a game in hand. You can't just end the season and relegate them. Neither can you just tie up the loose end by getting them or clubs in a similar position) to play the extra game. Both options are ridiculous.
As I posted earlier,hardly satisfactory, but it may be done,cancel this 'Coronavirus season'.None of what has been played counts for any promotion and relegation etc. Gone. Only another football memory. Then start again when it's safe to do do. I don't think this option is out of the question.Hugely disappointing for eg Liverpool and Barrow but carrying g on with season may produce too many headaches. And basel, what do you do with Bolton?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 14:39:09 GMT
And what do you do with Bolton? They're relegated.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 14:41:36 GMT
And what do you do with Bolton? They're relegated. Sorry - that's in my imaginary world - it's all cut and dried and fair. The season finishes now.
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Post by dido on Apr 20, 2020 14:41:54 GMT
Epping tend to agree with you that the UK has historically not been insular. Indeed I think we have been very open. We tend to easily absorb other culturals. The English Channel has however had different functions over time. It was until Henry VIII viewed as a highway to the continent and indeed the Norman English Kings were often more French than English. That changed with good old Henry VIII which made a decisive break with the continent for his own reasons. I however very much feel very European (I like the US but more and more feel it is culturally more distinct to us than European culture) and I dont agree with British exceptionalism. We were always open to the world but we have always had a slightly high opinion of ourselves, but that is not unusual for nations, the Yanks, the Chinese, the French, the Russians, the Japanese and indeed the Italians (the Romans) have all had it as one time or the other and many others. Anyway as I say we need to concentrate on this country now and what happens to the EU is up to them. The Norman kings weren't 'often more French than English' they were exclusively French. Henry 1st was admittedly born in England, but to French parents. After the Norman kings there were a couple more born in France (and later Holland and Germany) I will be marking everyone's History homework later . Sir, sir, I did mine online, as you said....but then our cat ate it. Do I still get a mark, sir?
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Post by basel on Apr 20, 2020 14:57:09 GMT
As I posted earlier,hardly satisfactory, but it may be done,cancel this 'Coronavirus season'.None of what has been played counts for any promotion and relegation etc. Gone. Only another football memory. Then start again when it's safe to do do. I don't think this option is out of the question.Hugely disappointing for eg Liverpool and Barrow but carrying g on with season may produce too many headaches. And basel, what do you do with Bolton? Good question. Maybe they start in 3rd tier but minus loads of points again.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 16:29:07 GMT
We've played over 3/4 of the season. I think that's enough (well in the EFL) for the final positions to be confirmed. Hopefully we can then start the 20-21 season in August (maybe September).
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 20, 2020 16:53:50 GMT
Epping tend to agree with you that the UK has historically not been insular. Indeed I think we have been very open. We tend to easily absorb other culturals. The English Channel has however had different functions over time. It was until Henry VIII viewed as a highway to the continent and indeed the Norman English Kings were often more French than English. That changed with good old Henry VIII which made a decisive break with the continent for his own reasons. I however very much feel very European (I like the US but more and more feel it is culturally more distinct to us than European culture) and I dont agree with British exceptionalism. We were always open to the world but we have always had a slightly high opinion of ourselves, but that is not unusual for nations, the Yanks, the Chinese, the French, the Russians, the Japanese and indeed the Italians (the Romans) have all had it as one time or the other and many others. Anyway as I say we need to concentrate on this country now and what happens to the EU is up to them. The Norman kings weren't 'often more French than English' they were exclusively French. Henry 1st was admittedly born in England, but to French parents. After the Norman kings there were a couple more born in France (and later Holland and Germany) I will be marking everyone's History homework later . After you’ve learnt the reigns of the kings I presume.😉 I think Henry IV was the first English king to have English as a first language. And he wasn’t even brought up as a royal prince but was Duke of Lancaster before replacing Richard II. Well done Rex. UTG!
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Post by Rex on Apr 20, 2020 17:42:24 GMT
The Norman kings weren't 'often more French than English' they were exclusively French. Henry 1st was admittedly born in England, but to French parents. After the Norman kings there were a couple more born in France (and later Holland and Germany) I will be marking everyone's History homework later . After you’ve learnt the reigns of the kings I presume.😉 I think Henry IV was the first English king to have English as a first language. And he wasn’t even brought up as a royal prince but was Duke of Lancaster before replacing Richard II. Well done Rex. UTG! I'm afraid you can expect more of me diving in on any threads that mentions kings and queens, US state capitals and the London Underground
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2020 17:43:01 GMT
Note - I think the PL will finish behind close doors. So in my cunning plan - only 2 go down from the PL as in my imaginary world play-offs will be scrapped as being unnecessary. Championship: Leeds & West Brom promoted, Luton & Barnsley relegated. Division 1: Coventry & Rotherham promoted, Bolton & Southend relegated. Division 2: Crewe, Swindon & Plymouth promoted (Swindle as champions as their game in hand "points per game" gives them the title). Stevenage relegated. So no need to apply a "points per game" to decide on promotion / relegation issues in the EFL. Plus the sh*t are denied the chance of a play-off place. Aaaaarrrrrhhhhhhh. What's not to like? Job sorted. I've had a re-think. Just to spite warehamgas I am introducing play-offs to my made up world and that means Bournemouth are now relegated.
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Post by trymer on Apr 20, 2020 18:17:49 GMT
The Norman kings weren't 'often more French than English' they were exclusively French. Henry 1st was admittedly born in England, but to French parents. After the Norman kings there were a couple more born in France (and later Holland and Germany) I will be marking everyone's History homework later . After you’ve learnt the reigns of the kings I presume.😉 I think Henry IV was the first English king to have English as a first language. And he wasn’t even brought up as a royal prince but was Duke of Lancaster before replacing Richard II. Well done Rex. UTG! Were the Normans French in those days ? I thought that they were Northmen who had moved from Scandinavia to greener pastures and shaved their beards off. I suppose things would have been worse for England if Harald 'hardrada' had won the battle of Stamford bridge,mind you England had already been part of a mini European Union under King Cnut.
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Post by dido on Apr 20, 2020 19:18:44 GMT
Norman wisdom aplenty on here.
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Post by manchestergas on Apr 20, 2020 19:46:41 GMT
Yes agree they viewed themselves to a degree as French, although the nation state of France didn’t really exist. A monarch existed but not really a country it was a series of regions/dukedoms. They spoke French and looked at the world in French, but was there a French nation? Not really nation states are relatively recent creations. Henry II probably exemplified that type of King the best.
Yes the normans were originally Norseman but I think William ‘the b'stard’ was more French than Norse in the end. Of course the Anglo Saxons were German and Danish in origin. The north of England was very Norse. We are a mixture of many nations, Vive le mixed nature of our country!
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Post by manchestergas on Apr 20, 2020 19:48:03 GMT
Henry II em-Ure was a sort Western EU, and yeah it fell apart :-)
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Post by manchestergas on Apr 20, 2020 19:48:15 GMT
Empire
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Post by manchestergas on Apr 20, 2020 19:56:28 GMT
Also slightly back to football aren’t the three lions origins the lions of Henry of Anjou who became Henry II and I never understand fans dressing up as Richard I at football (maybe more rugby or cricket) but he spent only about 9 months in England in his reign and nearly bankrupted the country with a ransom.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 20, 2020 21:40:25 GMT
After you’ve learnt the reigns of the kings I presume.😉 I think Henry IV was the first English king to have English as a first language. And he wasn’t even brought up as a royal prince but was Duke of Lancaster before replacing Richard II. Well done Rex. UTG! I'm afraid you can expect more of me diving in on any threads that mentions kings and queens, US state capitals and the London Underground No, that’s good, don’t apologise. I’m afraid I’m a bit of an anorak when it comes to British history esp the Plantagenets. UTG!
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