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Post by matealotblue on Apr 16, 2020 12:13:45 GMT
Latest estimate (from BBC news) is that vaccine unlikely to be mass produced until later on in 2021......going to be a long haul back to getting people into any sort of sports stadium any time soon.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 16, 2020 12:37:04 GMT
Hey Shoves, Wareham has got a possessive apostrophe in the wrong place in the word ''people's''. Go round and sort him out. Just thought it best to quote it, in case he does anything dishonourable, like edit it; Can't allow standards to slip. Blimey! It’s now official, BG is the punctuation police and he’s sending someone round. I’d say you should get out more but probably not at the moment. 😉 Keep safe. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:58:58 GMT
Hey Shoves, Wareham has got a possessive apostrophe in the wrong place in the word ''people's''. Go round and sort him out. Just thought it best to quote it, in case he does anything dishonourable, like edit it; Can't allow standards to slip. Blimey! It’s now official, BG is the punctuation police and he’s sending someone round. I’d say you should get out more but probably not at the moment. 😉 Keep safe. UTG! Whoooa! Shoves was having a go at me about a typo a couple of days ago, that's all. I think that we should all make an effort, otherwise it's sometimes hard to know what's being said, but this one is on Shoveler.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 16, 2020 14:15:34 GMT
BG, no problem but I really don’t think there was any ambiguity over what I was saying. Anyway, no problem and I’ll sit on the naughty step for a few minutes. Keep safe. UTG!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 17, 2020 11:41:51 GMT
Blimey! It’s now official, BG is the punctuation police and he’s sending someone round. I’d say you should get out more but probably not at the moment. 😉 Keep safe. UTG! Whoooa! Shoves was having a go at me about a typo a couple of days ago, that's all. I think that we should all make an effort, otherwise it's sometimes hard to know what's being said, but this one is on Shoveler. I actually like it. I have learned a lot from people who have put me right when I have made an error. I can still go awry with not using paragraphs but I certainly don’t take offence if I have not written properly. I’d like to think I have improved since I started here but you guys would be the judges of that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 11:56:11 GMT
BG, no problem but I really don’t think there was any ambiguity over what I was saying. Anyway, no problem and I’ll sit on the naughty step for a few minutes. Keep safe. UTG! If you like I'll go over every post and highlight all of the mistakes I see, but I'm not claiming for one second to be best qualified for the job. This will be a full time job.
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Post by trymer on Apr 17, 2020 12:18:08 GMT
I doubt that any activity with a crowd/audience is going to happen this year,sadly a few cinemas,theatres and football clubs will close forever. I think that once the players and staff are all tested games could happen with no crowd,the clubs that sort out some kind of pay to watch at home package will at least get some revenue and will have more chance of survival.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 17, 2020 13:30:05 GMT
I doubt that any activity with a crowd/audience is going to happen this year,sadly a few cinemas,theatres and football clubs will close forever. I think that once the players and staff are all tested games could happen with no crowd,the clubs that sort out some kind of pay to watch at home package will at least get some revenue and will have more chance of survival. Surely games behind closed doors is the worst of both worlds (certainly out-side of the top 2 divisions). Clubs paying full wages and getting no gate receipts? It would kill off struggling Clubs. ie about 90% of those playing in tier 3 and 4. (I made up that figure of 90%. Didn't have time to look it up. Those window sills won't paint themselves you know)...
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Post by irishrover on Apr 17, 2020 15:19:07 GMT
I doubt that any activity with a crowd/audience is going to happen this year,sadly a few cinemas,theatres and football clubs will close forever. I think that once the players and staff are all tested games could happen with no crowd,the clubs that sort out some kind of pay to watch at home package will at least get some revenue and will have more chance of survival. Surely games behind closed doors is the worst of both worlds (certainly out-side of the top 2 divisions). Clubs paying full wages and getting no gate receipts? It would kill off struggling Clubs. ie about 90% of those playing in tier 3 and 4. (I made up that figure of 90%. Didn't have time to look it up. Those window sills won't paint themselves you know)... It could only work with a paycut which I think is being discussed.
The thing is it's hard to do with our model of football because you have to negotiate individually at each club. Every owner will have a separate agenda, so will all the different players. In the US, they've already sorted all this through collective bargaining between owners and players. They've already negotiated what % cuts in salary/revenue each has to take to play games behind closed doors. They're ready to go as soon as they get the greenlight. Football will struggle to achieve that clarity because it's so fragmented and the clubs are seen as the business rather than the league. If you see the league (or even the sport) as the primary business rather than the clubs themsleves it makes a huge difference to the perspective on a lot of things; competitive balance, transparency, media coverage etc.
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Post by basel on Apr 17, 2020 15:26:28 GMT
Surely games behind closed doors is the worst of both worlds (certainly out-side of the top 2 divisions). Clubs paying full wages and getting no gate receipts? It would kill off struggling Clubs. ie about 90% of those playing in tier 3 and 4. (I made up that figure of 90%. Didn't have time to look it up. Those window sills won't paint themselves you know)... It could only work with a paycut which I think is being discussed.
The thing is it's hard to do with our model of football because you have to negotiate individually at each club. Every owner will have a separate agenda, so will all the different players. In the US, they've already sorted all this through collective bargaining between owners and players. They've already negotiated what % cuts in salary/revenue each has to take to play games behind closed doors. They're ready to go as soon as they get the greenlight. Football will struggle to achieve that clarity because it's so fragmented and the clubs are seen as the business rather than the league. If you see the league (or even the sport) as the primary business rather than the clubs themsleves it makes a huge difference to the perspective on a lot of things; competitive balance, transparency, media coverage etc.
In Germany,at least one club ,are getting fans to send in a photograph of themselves,then creating a cardboard cut out of the fan,placing it on terrace/seat and charging a few Euros. I don't know how many fans will be up for this but I suppose it all helps. Would Brits be up for this? Edit.The club is Borussia Monchengladbach.The money raised goes to help people effected by Coronavirus. So I beg your pardon,this wouldn't raise cash for Rovers. I think attendances will be down on a return,unless fans are convinced the Coronavirus threat has been beaten and in that case there will be bumper crowds across our UK.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 17, 2020 17:52:45 GMT
It could only work with a paycut which I think is being discussed.
The thing is it's hard to do with our model of football because you have to negotiate individually at each club. Every owner will have a separate agenda, so will all the different players. In the US, they've already sorted all this through collective bargaining between owners and players. They've already negotiated what % cuts in salary/revenue each has to take to play games behind closed doors. They're ready to go as soon as they get the greenlight. Football will struggle to achieve that clarity because it's so fragmented and the clubs are seen as the business rather than the league. If you see the league (or even the sport) as the primary business rather than the clubs themsleves it makes a huge difference to the perspective on a lot of things; competitive balance, transparency, media coverage etc.
In Germany,at least one club ,are getting fans to send in a photograph of themselves,then creating a cardboard cut out of the fan,placing it on terrace/seat and charging a few Euros. I don't know how many fans will be up for this but I suppose it all helps. Would Brits be up for this? Edit.The club is Borussia Monchengladbach.The money raised goes to help people effected by Coronavirus. So I beg your pardon,this wouldn't raise cash for Rovers. I think attendances will be down on a return,unless fans are convinced the Coronavirus threat has been beaten and in that case there will be bumper crowds across our UK. My feeling is that they will play the remainder of this season behind closed door to satisfy sponsors, owners, lawyers etc. It probably is the best of a bad set of options for administrators.
What is clearly needed is a European wide strategy for how to go forward because if some leagues cancel (like Scotland has apparently done) and some leagues are determined to play to a finish whatever happens (as Italy appears to be committing to) it's going to create total chaos with the next season in all kinds of ways.
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Post by manchestergas on Apr 17, 2020 18:21:00 GMT
Hmmm, let me think about that, ok, no 😂. These clever Chinese issue a virus and many die and professional sport is over other than watching it on TV... marketing magic ..stay at home protect the NHS and save lifes The Chinese ‘issue’ a virus? What does ‘issue’ mean in this context? Are you boycotting Chinese goods Harry as a result?
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Post by basel on Apr 17, 2020 21:41:33 GMT
In Germany,at least one club ,are getting fans to send in a photograph of themselves,then creating a cardboard cut out of the fan,placing it on terrace/seat and charging a few Euros. I don't know how many fans will be up for this but I suppose it all helps. Would Brits be up for this? Edit.The club is Borussia Monchengladbach.The money raised goes to help people effected by Coronavirus. So I beg your pardon,this wouldn't raise cash for Rovers. I think attendances will be down on a return,unless fans are convinced the Coronavirus threat has been beaten and in that case there will be bumper crowds across our UK. My feeling is that they will play the remainder of this season behind closed door to satisfy sponsors, owners, lawyers etc. It probably is the best of a bad set of options for administrators.
What is clearly needed is a European wide strategy for how to go forward because if some leagues cancel (like Scotland has apparently done) and some leagues are determined to play to a finish whatever happens (as Italy appears to be committing to) it's going to create total chaos with the next season in all kinds of ways.
I think this season will not be finished maybe just left behind and known as the 'Coronavirus Season'.Next season may also be under threat. Hmm,if the EU were anywhere near their dream of a USE, a united system would certainly be handy.Is'nt the reality the borders soon went back up once the Coronavirus threat was known and it is very much worse in eg Italy than Germany.So these countries are not "United" particularly and therefore cannot - as yet - move at the same tempo.The Italians may well follow the UK out of the EU.
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Post by toteend3 on Apr 18, 2020 8:12:58 GMT
If by all accounts, after listening to last nights news, that there is a real chance of a vaccine September/October. Surely then, we just pick up where we left off and conclude rest of last season effectively one year on followed by the Euros summer 2021
With the vaccine would come the ability to attend, without fear , football matches once again , if this was to happen then attendances would initially surge ( then back to normal after we lose a few on the trot!))
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 18, 2020 8:56:44 GMT
Surely games behind closed doors is the worst of both worlds (certainly out-side of the top 2 divisions). Clubs paying full wages and getting no gate receipts? It would kill off struggling Clubs. ie about 90% of those playing in tier 3 and 4. (I made up that figure of 90%. Didn't have time to look it up. Those window sills won't paint themselves you know)... It could only work with a paycut which I think is being discussed.
The thing is it's hard to do with our model of football because you have to negotiate individually at each club. Every owner will have a separate agenda, so will all the different players. In the US, they've already sorted all this through collective bargaining between owners and players. They've already negotiated what % cuts in salary/revenue each has to take to play games behind closed doors. They're ready to go as soon as they get the greenlight. Football will struggle to achieve that clarity because it's so fragmented and the clubs are seen as the business rather than the league. If you see the league (or even the sport) as the primary business rather than the clubs themsleves it makes a huge difference to the perspective on a lot of things; competitive balance, transparency, media coverage etc.
Agree Irish and I can't see how football sorts all this out. For me there's effectively two issues. How to deal with the "rich" Top 2 tiers and their dependence on Sky money, and tier 3 and below who survive largely on gate money. This is further complicated by the fact that tier 1 is governed by the PL and tier 2,3 and 4 is the EFL and tier 5 and below is the FA (correct me if I'm wrong). Players in the lower leagues can't realistically take much of a pay cut as they are not (generally) 'overpaid'. The EFL can't impose a league wide pay cut anyway as individual players have contracts. The EFL are trying to push a 25% wage deferral. All that does is push back the financial problem! It doesn't solve anything. It just gives Clubs a bit of breathing space. It's a mess. I haven't read a sensible solution yet. The EFL still want to finish the season and have announced they intend to stream every game. Personally, I would say the PL can probably play out the season behind closed doors (and still get the Sky/marketing benefits and fulfil legal obligations). That 40 day window discussed yesterday sounds doable and there appears to be a broad agreement. I think maybe the precedent the EFL follows will be Scottish FA. The season finishes now and Clubs will be promoted/relegated in their current positions. No play-offs. Maybe some tweaking required if a Club is just outside the automatic promotion places with games in hand? Some simplified version of the duckworth lewis system? There will be some furious Clubs. But seeing as a huge number of Clubs will be more worried about survival over the coming months... I think this is how it will pan out. Just my opinion. I don't have any faith in the EFL or their governance of the game. It's a huge problem. No easy solutions.
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Post by basel on Apr 18, 2020 9:37:28 GMT
If by all accounts, after listening to last nights news, that there is a real chance of a vaccine September/October. Surely then, we just pick up where we left off and conclude rest of last season effectively one year on followed by the Euros summer 2021 With the vaccine would come the ability to attend, without fear , football matches once again , if this was to happen then attendances would initially surge ( then back to normal after we lose a few on the trot!)) UTFG I think said vaccine won't be ready on mass until early 2021 Totend4.That may still be enough time to finish this season and then onto Europeans.Maybe.
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Post by toteend3 on Apr 18, 2020 10:15:02 GMT
If by all accounts, after listening to last nights news, that there is a real chance of a vaccine September/October. Surely then, we just pick up where we left off and conclude rest of last season effectively one year on followed by the Euros summer 2021 With the vaccine would come the ability to attend, without fear , football matches once again , if this was to happen then attendances would initially surge ( then back to normal after we lose a few on the trot!)) UTFG I think said vaccine won't be ready on mass until early 2021 Totend4.That may still be enough time to finish this season and then onto Europeans.Maybe. Absolutely, which would make our next home game a sell out, for gas fans on Saturday March 28th 2021, ( Rochdale might stretch to a Tandem ) UTFG
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Post by basel on Apr 18, 2020 12:41:01 GMT
I think said vaccine won't be ready on mass until early 2021 Totend4.That may still be enough time to finish this season and then onto Europeans.Maybe. Absolutely, which would make our next home game a sell out, for gas fans on Saturday 28th 2021, ( Rochdale might stretch to a Tandem ) UTFG I agree that there will be bumper crowds on a return to football as long as people are confident the Coronavirus war has been won. I hope it all works out with the vaccine but I would'nt be surprised if it arrives later than early 2021. Fingers crossed.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 18, 2020 12:44:09 GMT
It could only work with a paycut which I think is being discussed.
The thing is it's hard to do with our model of football because you have to negotiate individually at each club. Every owner will have a separate agenda, so will all the different players. In the US, they've already sorted all this through collective bargaining between owners and players. They've already negotiated what % cuts in salary/revenue each has to take to play games behind closed doors. They're ready to go as soon as they get the greenlight. Football will struggle to achieve that clarity because it's so fragmented and the clubs are seen as the business rather than the league. If you see the league (or even the sport) as the primary business rather than the clubs themsleves it makes a huge difference to the perspective on a lot of things; competitive balance, transparency, media coverage etc.
In Germany,at least one club ,are getting fans to send in a photograph of themselves,then creating a cardboard cut out of the fan,placing it on terrace/seat and charging a few Euros. I don't know how many fans will be up for this but I suppose it all helps. Would Brits be up for this? Edit.The club is Borussia Monchengladbach.The money raised goes to help people effected by Coronavirus. So I beg your pardon,this wouldn't raise cash for Rovers. I think attendances will be down on a return,unless fans are convinced the Coronavirus threat has been beaten and in that case there will be bumper crowds across our UK. I have been noticing a fair few who are going into meltdown, on social media. Posting things they would never normally post then apologising. I think real problems will occur when or if we get hot weather. On a personal note, I would take my chances as I know we can do what we can but that can still get you if sticking by rules. I am reminded of what my dear old mama told me. She was slave labour in Germany and when the allies would send over thousand or so bombers, the rest would run for cover but mum would just walk. Her view was that if a bomb hit then it wouldn’t matter if you were in a house and under a table. As I say, just my opinion but I’m reading more people saying similar things. I know it’s a bit different for me to say this but I’d take quality of life over quantity any time. I’m losing what day it is and it’s surprised me just how much I have missed to match days
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 18, 2020 12:46:05 GMT
In Germany,at least one club ,are getting fans to send in a photograph of themselves,then creating a cardboard cut out of the fan,placing it on terrace/seat and charging a few Euros. I don't know how many fans will be up for this but I suppose it all helps. Would Brits be up for this? Edit.The club is Borussia Monchengladbach.The money raised goes to help people effected by Coronavirus. So I beg your pardon,this wouldn't raise cash for Rovers. I think attendances will be down on a return,unless fans are convinced the Coronavirus threat has been beaten and in that case there will be bumper crowds across our UK. My feeling is that they will play the remainder of this season behind closed door to satisfy sponsors, owners, lawyers etc. It probably is the best of a bad set of options for administrators.
What is clearly needed is a European wide strategy for how to go forward because if some leagues cancel (like Scotland has apparently done) and some leagues are determined to play to a finish whatever happens (as Italy appears to be committing to) it's going to create total chaos with the next season in all kinds of ways.
Les Ferdinand has just been on football focus and has said the prem will not be following the scots.
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