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Post by bluetornados on Apr 14, 2020 16:03:51 GMT
ARSENAL stars have rejected a 12.5 per cent pay cut across the next year in a vote on Monday afternoon.
Players were asked to consider reducing their wages over the next 12 months after football was suspended due to the coronavirus crisis.
Incentives on new contracts were offered as terms, with any deducted wages being added on top of a fresh salary agreement.
Arsenal also offered to hand back the deducted money to any player who left for a transfer fee.
But the terms were unanimously rejected by players, with doubts over the summer transfer window and the long-term financial effects of the pandemic.
Arsenal are now left footing an enormous wage bill that runs to £230million each year.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 14, 2020 16:32:41 GMT
I'm still waiting for racist elements of E.U. policy, but since Rex volunteered to debate them, I'll leave him to do so first when you ever identify them. You've instead suggested that a lot of European people are racist towards black folk. I'm certain this is true. Many European countries have visible and audible racist behaviour in their football stadia more often than we do, although we're far from perfect there. Were I H.sapiens, I think I'd rather have black skin in most of Britain than most of Europe, though. So some of Europe is more racist than some of Britain. Racist elements of E.U. policy, when you're ready. Sorry for the geeling/feeling typo; 'f' and 'g' are adjacent keys, and I failed to notice it. If you knew the trouble I have operating a touch screen phone with a damned wing, you'd have let me off that one. I can only speak of the two countries I’ve been to, Poland and Russia, both are very racist and it’s extremely rare to see a black or brown face anywhere. There is a video, on YouTube that shows and Indian family being beaten up very badly because they dared to go to a football match. I know many of my fathers generation who held extremely prejudiced views about the Jews too. It’s a strange one as Poland has an indigenous population of Moslems and they settled there from circa 16th century BUT they are highly patriotic and so are not seen as a threat and their mosques have not been touched. Not long back and on news night, they tried to make the Polish premier feel ashamed because they said they would not take one refugee but the guy said this is what we got elected on and we are doing as we have promised. I am a member of a couple of Polish Facebook groups and I know that they do not feel embarrassed by this and they endorse the old ways, even now. KWP, I have just read The Crime and the Silence by Anna Bikont, a Polish writer. It’s a book about the Jewish massacre in Jebwabne, a Polish town, in 1941. It was quite a hard read but very interesting and chilling in so far as the horrors go. Covered up to an extent even today. Google it, worth a read if you have the stamina. A very timely reminder about racism, tolerance and every other ism! Hope you’re keeping safe. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 14, 2020 16:41:54 GMT
ARSENAL stars have rejected a 12.5 per cent pay cut across the next year in a vote on Monday afternoon. Players were asked to consider reducing their wages over the next 12 months after football was suspended due to the coronavirus crisis. Incentives on new contracts were offered as terms, with any deducted wages being added on top of a fresh salary agreement. Arsenal also offered to hand back the deducted money to any player who left for a transfer fee. But the terms were unanimously rejected by players, with doubts over the summer transfer window and the long-term financial effects of the pandemic. Arsenal are now left footing an enormous wage bill that runs to £230million each year. Honestly, that leaves me wondering what planet some players think they’re on at the moment. They may be legally correct but they are morally wrong with what’s going on around them and from a practical POV imo, a poor decision. Little consideration being shown for “their” club. But am I surprised at selfish footballers? Not really. And before I am accused of picking on footballers had these players been on salaries around the national average then my view would be different. That they are on salaries over £100,000 a week gives a very different perspective. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 17:26:45 GMT
ARSENAL stars have rejected a 12.5 per cent pay cut across the next year in a vote on Monday afternoon. Players were asked to consider reducing their wages over the next 12 months after football was suspended due to the coronavirus crisis. Incentives on new contracts were offered as terms, with any deducted wages being added on top of a fresh salary agreement. Arsenal also offered to hand back the deducted money to any player who left for a transfer fee. But the terms were unanimously rejected by players, with doubts over the summer transfer window and the long-term financial effects of the pandemic. Arsenal are now left footing an enormous wage bill that runs to £230million each year. Honestly, that leaves me wondering what planet some players think they’re on at the moment. They may be legally correct but they are morally wrong with what’s going on around them and from a practical POV imo, a poor decision. Little consideration being shown for “their” club. But am I surprised at selfish footballers? Not really. And before I am accused of picking on footballers had these players been on salaries around the national average then my view would be different. That they are on salaries over £100,000 a week gives a very different perspective. UTG! Make emm redundant. That's what any normal company would do
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 17:47:15 GMT
Honestly, that leaves me wondering what planet some players think they’re on at the moment. They may be legally correct but they are morally wrong with what’s going on around them and from a practical POV imo, a poor decision. Little consideration being shown for “their” club. But am I surprised at selfish footballers? Not really. And before I am accused of picking on footballers had these players been on salaries around the national average then my view would be different. That they are on salaries over £100,000 a week gives a very different perspective. UTG! Make emm redundant. That's what any normal company would do emm? Shocking lack of vocabulary, but not surprising, all things considered. Remember that players are being told by the PFA to only accept deferrals, not pay cuts. So, go on, make them redundant, you'll end up paying their contracts in full, not getting the benefits of their services and having 2 lots of legal fees to cover. Then to put a cherry on top of the thing, you'll have the club blackballed by every top players' agent in the world. So why not, sure, go for it.
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 14, 2020 18:02:56 GMT
Make emm redundant. That's what any normal company would do emm? Shocking lack of vocabulary, but not surprising, all things considered. Remember that players are being told by the PFA to only accept deferrals, not pay cuts. So, go on, make them redundant, you'll end up paying their contracts in full, not getting the benefits of their services and having 2 lots of legal fees to cover. Then to put a cherry on top of the thing, you'll have the club blackballed by every top players' agent in the world. So why not, sure, go for it. It's only Arsenal... no one will miss them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:23:03 GMT
emm? Shocking lack of vocabulary, but not surprising, all things considered. Remember that players are being told by the PFA to only accept deferrals, not pay cuts. So, go on, make them redundant, you'll end up paying their contracts in full, not getting the benefits of their services and having 2 lots of legal fees to cover. Then to put a cherry on top of the thing, you'll have the club blackballed by every top players' agent in the world. So why not, sure, go for it. It's only Arsenal... no one will miss them My point (in jest) But it's an interesting legal point. If the company cannot afford to maintain staff costs do the directors risk the whole operation or cut those very staff costs. There is no such thing as a guaranteed income in a free market.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:41:34 GMT
emm? Shocking lack of vocabulary, but not surprising, all things considered. Remember that players are being told by the PFA to only accept deferrals, not pay cuts. So, go on, make them redundant, you'll end up paying their contracts in full, not getting the benefits of their services and having 2 lots of legal fees to cover. Then to put a cherry on top of the thing, you'll have the club blackballed by every top players' agent in the world. So why not, sure, go for it. It's only Arsenal... no one will miss them Are you sure? Spurs need someone to finish behind. Epping's Wife loves them. Kroenke may need another 3/4 billion $ ranch soon, who would pay for that if he couldn't sell Diamond Hospitality packages at a grand a head?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:45:47 GMT
It's only Arsenal... no one will miss them My point (in jest) But it's an interesting legal point. If the company cannot afford to maintain staff costs do the directors risk the whole operation or cut those very staff costs. There is no such thing as a guaranteed income in a free market. This is where, in a sane world, the staff reps and company reps have a grown up discussion. In this case, spoiled players and the PFA on one side, PL clubs who are used to raking in millions every week and never thought that the gravy train could ever stop on the other. Don't hold your breath waiting for any kind of rational conversation to break out.
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 14, 2020 18:47:29 GMT
It's only Arsenal... no one will miss them Are you sure? Spurs need someone to finish behind. Epping's Wife loves them. Kroenke may need another 3/4 billion $ ranch soon, who would pay for that if he couldn't sell Diamond Hospitality packages at a grand a head? the Arse have FINISHED BEHIND THFC for the last 3 seasons COYS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:56:48 GMT
My point (in jest) But it's an interesting legal point. If the company cannot afford to maintain staff costs do the directors risk the whole operation or cut those very staff costs. There is no such thing as a guaranteed income in a free market. This is where, in a sane world, the staff reps and company reps have a grown up discussion. In this case, spoiled players and the PFA on one side, PL clubs who are used to raking in millions every week and never thought that the gravy train could ever stop on the other. Don't hold your breath waiting for any kind of rational conversation to break out. Yes I totally agree with you. That issue permeates throughout professional sport, regardless of the financial logistics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 19:39:38 GMT
Are you sure? Spurs need someone to finish behind. Epping's Wife loves them. Kroenke may need another 3/4 billion $ ranch soon, who would pay for that if he couldn't sell Diamond Hospitality packages at a grand a head? the Arse have FINISHED BEHIND THFC for the last 3 seasons COYS 3 out of about 30, fair enough, but you had best hope that the season doesn't end now and average points per-game get used to calculate final positions, because guess what, it'll be St Totteringhams day, again. God it must be annoying having a team from the other side of town pitch up on your doorstep and having to live your entire life in their shadow.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 14, 2020 19:59:36 GMT
My point (in jest) But it's an interesting legal point. If the company cannot afford to maintain staff costs do the directors risk the whole operation or cut those very staff costs. There is no such thing as a guaranteed income in a free market. This is where, in a sane world, the staff reps and company reps have a grown up discussion. In this case, spoiled players and the PFA on one side, PL clubs who are used to raking in millions every week and never thought that the gravy train could ever stop on the other. Don't hold your breath waiting for any kind of rational conversation to break out. I think they tried to do that a week ago in an attempt to get a collective agreement. Couldn’t do it so they made a deferral on how to get a deferral. As you say, don’t hold your breath. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 20:30:34 GMT
Honestly, that leaves me wondering what planet some players think they’re on at the moment. They may be legally correct but they are morally wrong with what’s going on around them and from a practical POV imo, a poor decision. Little consideration being shown for “their” club. But am I surprised at selfish footballers? Not really. And before I am accused of picking on footballers had these players been on salaries around the national average then my view would be different. That they are on salaries over £100,000 a week gives a very different perspective. UTG! Make emm redundant. That's what any normal company would do There is an issue with that option though obviously.
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 15, 2020 9:47:03 GMT
I know that if they are only on £100k - £400k per week the tax they are paying is huge, but IMO they should be on £100k - £400k per year, would make things a little more normal.
Anyone, even a footballer / sports person should be able to have a comfortable life on that.
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Post by bloogas on Apr 15, 2020 9:54:57 GMT
Honestly, that leaves me wondering what planet some players think they’re on at the moment. They may be legally correct but they are morally wrong with what’s going on around them and from a practical POV imo, a poor decision. Little consideration being shown for “their” club. But am I surprised at selfish footballers? Not really. And before I am accused of picking on footballers had these players been on salaries around the national average then my view would be different. That they are on salaries over £100,000 a week gives a very different perspective. UTG! For the record - Neil Franklin of Stoke and Charlie Mitten of Man U were early pay rebels, circa 1950,and went to South America for big bucks. It apparently went pear-shaped and they had to return to England, their careers suffering. Then of course Jimmy Hill led the campaign for lifting the pay cap in the 60s. In the 70s Billy Bremer complained of "soccer slavery". Wonder what these guys would say today. My wife's uncle was a CH for City and Wolves in the 50's. He always said he'd been born too early.
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 15, 2020 10:01:09 GMT
It has been alleged by Tote End Brian on other Forum that it was the Presidents Club that instigated the letter to the EFL. This was undersigned by the SC. Could Knowall substantiate that? has fanny responded to this vaughan? as you know, I find him generally very short on facts (and manners). It really isn't very Presidential at all
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 15, 2020 10:13:56 GMT
I can only speak of the two countries I’ve been to, Poland and Russia, both are very racist and it’s extremely rare to see a black or brown face anywhere. There is a video, on YouTube that shows and Indian family being beaten up very badly because they dared to go to a football match. I know many of my fathers generation who held extremely prejudiced views about the Jews too. It’s a strange one as Poland has an indigenous population of Moslems and they settled there from circa 16th century BUT they are highly patriotic and so are not seen as a threat and their mosques have not been touched. Not long back and on news night, they tried to make the Polish premier feel ashamed because they said they would not take one refugee but the guy said this is what we got elected on and we are doing as we have promised. I am a member of a couple of Polish Facebook groups and I know that they do not feel embarrassed by this and they endorse the old ways, even now. KWP, I have just read The Crime and the Silence by Anna Bikont, a Polish writer. It’s a book about the Jewish massacre in Jebwabne, a Polish town, in 1941. It was quite a hard read but very interesting and chilling in so far as the horrors go. Covered up to an extent even today. Google it, worth a read if you have the stamina. A very timely reminder about racism, tolerance and every other ism! Hope you’re keeping safe. UTG! Good moaning Sir, Thanks for the recommendation & I will get it. My only problem is that this poxy disease has robbed me of reading for long periods so I have to do it in around 30 minute slots. I have read a lot about what the Ukrainians did to poles and it makes for horrific reading and I now understand why dad & his fellow combatants had an intense hatred for them
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 15, 2020 11:10:40 GMT
the Arse have FINISHED BEHIND THFC for the last 3 seasons COYS 3 out of about 30, fair enough, but you had best hope that the season doesn't end now and average points per-game get used to calculate final positions, because guess what, it'll be St Totteringhams day, again. God it must be annoying having a team from the other side of town pitch up on your doorstep and having to live your entire life in their shadow. We should know that feeling only too well given that the 82 have us as their whipping boys & entertainment, for so long
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Post by bloogas on Apr 15, 2020 11:14:16 GMT
KP/Wareham - I worked with a black guy who, because of a takeover, got elevated to a Product Manager covering Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. A colleague remarked to me that he ought to be careful. He himself told me that he was very aware that he was a black man travelling there and he was careful about what he did. A sobering comment to idealistic me.
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