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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 5, 2020 20:13:54 GMT
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 5, 2020 20:32:58 GMT
Started reading and I am guessing its Mark Noble. Read a bit further and wasnt so sure. Good for them if thats what they do...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 20:34:23 GMT
How convenient, some unfalsifiable evidence pops up, just at the right time.
Not saying that plenty of players don't do good unpaid work, or support good causes, but if I understand this correctly, we are being asked to believe that this 'unnamed' player has given every penny of his income away for the last 3 years.
Sure, why not.
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 5, 2020 20:47:05 GMT
How convenient, some unfalsifiable evidence pops up, just at the right time. Not saying that plenty of players don't do good unpaid work, or support good causes, but if I understand this correctly, we are being asked to believe that this 'unnamed' player has given every penny of his income away for the last 3 years. Sure, why not. I thought that too, had a similar structure to the anonymous ‘gay footballer’ blog - also promoted in Football365.
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Post by Rex on Apr 5, 2020 22:40:08 GMT
Unfortunately social media is an absolutely fantastic place to create a witch hunt. I don't know any Premier League footballers, but from what I have seen in interviews (when they are actually allowed to say what they think) they are normal blokes, with a lot of talent, and that talent has been used by others to make huge sums of money for everyone lucky enough to be on the carousel. Most of the outrage about footballers on my Facebook feed comes from 'supporters' of teams like Liverpool, Manchester City or United etc. I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of those complaining are Sky subscribers and get excited about things like 'Super Sunday' Well you reap what you sow. I know we aren't allowed to get political on here , but generally speaking they are also the same people who bang on about clapping every Thursday to show support for the NHS but consistently vote for cuts in that same organisation.
Premier League footballers aren't the problem, they are just a convenient scapegoat.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 6, 2020 0:04:15 GMT
Unfortunately social media is an absolutely fantastic place to create a witch hunt. I don't know any Premier League footballers, but from what I have seen in interviews (when they are actually allowed to say what they think) they are normal blokes, with a lot of talent, and that talent has been used by others to make huge sums of money for everyone lucky enough to be on the carousel. Most of the outrage about footballers on my Facebook feed comes from 'supporters' of teams like Liverpool, Manchester City or United etc. I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of those complaining are Sky subscribers and get excited about things like 'Super Sunday' Well you reap what you sow. I know we aren't allowed to get political on here , but generally speaking they are also the same people who bang on about clapping every Thursday to show support for the NHS but consistently vote for cuts in that same organisation. Premier League footballers aren't the problem, they are just a convenient scapegoat. I value your opinion Sir. But Premier League footballers are very much a part of the problem. Rolex wearing pampered over-paid Bentley driving prima donnas. (Or should that be primal donnals). UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 0:29:40 GMT
Unfortunately social media is an absolutely fantastic place to create a witch hunt. I don't know any Premier League footballers, but from what I have seen in interviews (when they are actually allowed to say what they think) they are normal blokes, with a lot of talent, and that talent has been used by others to make huge sums of money for everyone lucky enough to be on the carousel. Most of the outrage about footballers on my Facebook feed comes from 'supporters' of teams like Liverpool, Manchester City or United etc. I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of those complaining are Sky subscribers and get excited about things like 'Super Sunday' Well you reap what you sow. I know we aren't allowed to get political on here , but generally speaking they are also the same people who bang on about clapping every Thursday to show support for the NHS but consistently vote for cuts in that same organisation. Premier League footballers aren't the problem, they are just a convenient scapegoat. I value your opinion Sir. But Premier League footballers are very much a part of the problem. Rolex wearing pampered over-paid Bentley driving prima donnas. (Or should that be primal donnals). UTG. Your just stereotyping them as if somehow all footballers behave in the same way. Total nonsense.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 6, 2020 9:07:58 GMT
I value your opinion Sir. But Premier League footballers are very much a part of the problem. Rolex wearing pampered over-paid Bentley driving prima donnas. (Or should that be primal donnals). UTG. Your just stereotyping them as if somehow all footballers behave in the same way. Total nonsense. Stereotyping is generally lazy and inaccurate. But with premiership footballers (with very few exceptions) - I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype. I'm not suggesting that every premiership footballer taking a 50% pay cut is fair and equitable. But I would suggest that (say) a 75% tax payable directly to the NHS starting at a threshhold of (say) £0.5mil a year would make 'the noise' go away. (£0.5mil pa = £9,615.38 a WEEK). At the moment football is in the middle of an almighty marketing disaster. It deserves the media attention because it is the national game. All this comment about "the media picking on working class lads" is total b*llsh*t. They can be educated at their local comprehensive, Eton or Harrow. Don't care. Not relevant. All sports 'stars' should be treated the same. Motor racing drivers, tennis players, golfers, cricketers... you name it. Cross that threshhold - get your cheque book out. They play the sport they love and are paid obscene amount of money for the privilege. Time to give some back. What would your solution be vertigo? Do nothing?
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
Your just stereotyping them as if somehow all footballers behave in the same way. Total nonsense. Stereotyping is generally lazy and inaccurate. But with premiership footballers (with very few exceptions) - I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype. I'm not suggesting that every premiership footballer taking a 50% pay cut is fair and equitable. But I would suggest that (say) a 75% tax payable directly to the NHS starting at a threshhold of (say) £0.5mil a year would make 'the noise' go away. (£0.5mil pa = £9,615.38 a WEEK). At the moment football is in the middle of an almighty marketing disaster. It deserves the media attention because it is the national game. All this comment about "the media picking on working class lads" is total b*llsh*t. They can be educated at their local comprehensive, Eton or Harrow. Don't care. Not relevant. All sports 'stars' should be treated the same. Motor racing drivers, tennis players, golfers, cricketers... you name it. Cross that threshhold - get your cheque book out. They play the sport they love and are paid obscene amount of money for the privilege. Time to give some back. What would your solution be vertigo? Do nothing? Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 10:41:49 GMT
Stereotyping is generally lazy and inaccurate. But with premiership footballers (with very few exceptions) - I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype. I'm not suggesting that every premiership footballer taking a 50% pay cut is fair and equitable. But I would suggest that (say) a 75% tax payable directly to the NHS starting at a threshhold of (say) £0.5mil a year would make 'the noise' go away. (£0.5mil pa = £9,615.38 a WEEK). At the moment football is in the middle of an almighty marketing disaster. It deserves the media attention because it is the national game. All this comment about "the media picking on working class lads" is total b*llsh*t. They can be educated at their local comprehensive, Eton or Harrow. Don't care. Not relevant. All sports 'stars' should be treated the same. Motor racing drivers, tennis players, golfers, cricketers... you name it. Cross that threshhold - get your cheque book out. They play the sport they love and are paid obscene amount of money for the privilege. Time to give some back. What would your solution be vertigo? Do nothing? Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype Not many people are, I think, suggesting that players permanently hand over 98% of their earning, as per Commissar Corbyn's plans. The issue is that they are in a privileged position and are having their wages protected by their employers dipping in to public funds. So far, as far as I'm aware, not a single player has spoken out against any of the 5 PL clubs who have done this. BTW, Corbyn was sent packing because his economic plans for normal times were as sustainable as we are seeing now as emergency measures, and this short term mess is going to take an awfully long time to resolve, he refused to condemn terrorists and he surrounded himself with idiots like Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Abbot.
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype Not many people are, I think, suggesting that players permanently hand over 98% of their earning, as per Commissar Corbyn's plans. The issue is that they are in a privileged position and are having their wages protected by their employers dipping in to public funds. So far, as far as I'm aware, not a single player has spoken out against any of the 5 PL clubs who have done this. BTW, Corbyn was sent packing because his economic plans for normal times were as sustainable as we are seeing now as emergency measures, and this short term mess is going to take an awfully long time to resolve , he refused to condemn terrorists and he surrounded himself with idiots like Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Abbot. He condemned all terrorist actions,just never specific groups. Anyway, we had better stop this, I don't want to get banned while I'm stuck at home all day!
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 6, 2020 10:56:20 GMT
Stereotyping is generally lazy and inaccurate. But with premiership footballers (with very few exceptions) - I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype. I'm not suggesting that every premiership footballer taking a 50% pay cut is fair and equitable. But I would suggest that (say) a 75% tax payable directly to the NHS starting at a threshhold of (say) £0.5mil a year would make 'the noise' go away. (£0.5mil pa = £9,615.38 a WEEK). At the moment football is in the middle of an almighty marketing disaster. It deserves the media attention because it is the national game. All this comment about "the media picking on working class lads" is total b*llsh*t. They can be educated at their local comprehensive, Eton or Harrow. Don't care. Not relevant. All sports 'stars' should be treated the same. Motor racing drivers, tennis players, golfers, cricketers... you name it. Cross that threshhold - get your cheque book out. They play the sport they love and are paid obscene amount of money for the privilege. Time to give some back. What would your solution be vertigo? Do nothing? Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype OK. Trying not to get too political, or Admin will slap my wrists. "Some" of the Labour Party manifesto made sense. I agree that the re-distribution of wealth should be one of the primary functions of Government. I think that an over-haul of the current tax system is long over-due. Post-CV we may well see this happen. However "overall" the last Labour Party manifesto led to their worst defeat since the 30's. It was rejected. To conclude that it's "the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess". That's not stereotyping, it's just doesn't make any rational sense and there's no way you could back that statement up! Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing? (Note - if we can keep this to just football/sport... that helps keep the focus. I'd be happy for debate on changes to the re-distribution of wealth / changes to the tax system in wider economy. But somewhere else please). UTG.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 6, 2020 11:00:03 GMT
now spurs want to put non playing staff on furlough, game needs sorting financially, wont happen though Liverpool and tottingham can also now be added to that list. Liverpool made profits of over 500 million last year ! What a bunch of Counts
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 11:00:59 GMT
Not many people are, I think, suggesting that players permanently hand over 98% of their earning, as per Commissar Corbyn's plans. The issue is that they are in a privileged position and are having their wages protected by their employers dipping in to public funds. So far, as far as I'm aware, not a single player has spoken out against any of the 5 PL clubs who have done this. BTW, Corbyn was sent packing because his economic plans for normal times were as sustainable as we are seeing now as emergency measures, and this short term mess is going to take an awfully long time to resolve , he refused to condemn terrorists and he surrounded himself with idiots like Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Abbot. He condemned all terrorist actions,just never specific ones. Anyway, we had better stop this, I don't want to get banned while I'm stuck at home all day! I think we're OK, we won't go on for ages and won't argue. His association with the IRA caught up with him, and when pressed on specifics, he used weasel words, he couldn't give a straight reply to a straight question, even when asked about proscribed terrorist groups. He didn't handle it at all well, and ultimately, it cost him. Add to that, the nonsensical position he put Labour in with Brexit, he was going to send a team to negotiate a deal, and then campaign against it. Utterly ridiculous. I'm surprised they got a single vote. BTW, I'm not thrilled about this huge Tory majority, our system of government works best when to party in power can actually be held to account.
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 11:01:10 GMT
Again, trying to not get too political, Jeremy Corbyn wanted to tax the rich and was vilified and sent a resounding 'no thanks' at the general election. I find it staggering that throughout social media (which in my world is just Facebook and football forums) is full of the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess. Sorry for stereotyping my friends on social media as it is generally lazy and inaccurate but in this case I'm perfectly happy with the stereotype OK. Trying not to get too political, or Admin will slap my wrists. "Some" of the Labour Party manifesto made sense. I agree that the re-distribution of wealth should be one of the primary functions of Government. I think that an over-haul of the current tax system is long over-due. Post-CV we may well see this happen. However "overall" the last Labour Party manifesto led to their worst defeat since the 30's. It was rejected. To conclude that it's "the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess". That's not stereotyping, it's just doesn't make any rational sense and there's no way you could back that statement up! Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing? (Note - if we can keep this to just football/sport... that helps keep the focus. I'd be happy for debate on changes to the re-distribution of wealth / changes to the tax system in wider economy. But somewhere else please). UTG. Pot, kettle, black
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 6, 2020 11:17:39 GMT
Sorry to keep on. My final (?) thought in relation to us. I agree with those who've said they don’t want to see Rovers in the PL. having watched AFCB over their time in the PL (and in their season when with -17 points they avoided non league football just). Whilst they are living the dream, I know several who can’t afford the ST now and struggle to get a ticket and of those that go a few say all we do is aim at getting 40 points so to avoid going down. Unfortunately it is about money, they just want to be in the “PL club” and who can blame them? But it’s not for me. It becomes boring and tbh I think some AFCB fans are beginning to recognise that, but they probably won’t admit it! 😉UTG! Stay safe everyone I was chatting to a Bournemouth fan a couple of years ago , so about 3 years into their Premier League stint. He had been watching them for years and while he said he wasn't moaning about being there, he was started to find the odd kick off times and not being able to sit with his mates all a bit trying. He had really enjoyed the trips to Old Trafford etc. but said his best away day in the top flight had been at - I think - Watford, because everyone was able to get tickets, it was a 3pm Saturday kick off, and they were able to get a mini bus from the pub which had been a regular occurrence when they were a 3rd /4th division outfit. AS I said, that was a couple of years ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually wanted them to get relegated now! You know, I feel the same way but the difference being the leagues. I really enjoyed being out of the EFL & felt a reconnection with real football when we were in the vanarama or conference. I did more away games than ever before. I look back on it with some fond memories. Kidderminster were outstanding in how the treated us and what they had to offer in food and very sensible stewarding
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 6, 2020 11:18:37 GMT
OK. Trying not to get too political, or Admin will slap my wrists. "Some" of the Labour Party manifesto made sense. I agree that the re-distribution of wealth should be one of the primary functions of Government. I think that an over-haul of the current tax system is long over-due. Post-CV we may well see this happen. However "overall" the last Labour Party manifesto led to their worst defeat since the 30's. It was rejected. To conclude that it's "the same people who poured scorn on Corbyn are the same ones demanding that footballers should pay for this mess". That's not stereotyping, it's just doesn't make any rational sense and there's no way you could back that statement up! Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing? (Note - if we can keep this to just football/sport... that helps keep the focus. I'd be happy for debate on changes to the re-distribution of wealth / changes to the tax system in wider economy. But somewhere else please). UTG. Pot, kettle, black Let me know what statement I have made that you would like me to back up. At worst I'll concede it's my opinion rather than 'fact' (whatever a fact is these days of fake news...). Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing?
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Post by Rex on Apr 6, 2020 11:32:51 GMT
Pot, kettle, black Let me know what statement I have made that you would like me to back up. At worst I'll concede it's my opinion rather than 'fact' (whatever a fact is these days of fake news...). Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing?Bring in a new temporary income tax on earners above a specific amount. You could probably even - initially- make it voluntary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 11:34:24 GMT
Let me know what statement I have made that you would like me to back up. At worst I'll concede it's my opinion rather than 'fact' (whatever a fact is these days of fake news...). Anyway - back to the case in point - what would your solution be Rex? Do nothing?Bring in a new temporary income tax on earners above a specific amount. You could probably even - initially- make it voluntary. We already have that. Anybody can send any %, over and above the legally required sum of their income to HMRC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 11:47:17 GMT
now spurs want to put non playing staff on furlough, game needs sorting financially, wont happen though Liverpool and tottingham can also now be added to that list. Liverpool made profits of over 500 million last year ! What a bunch of Counts But thats how capitalism works is it not? Is it just bad if football clubs make profit but ok for other companies?
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