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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:12:32 GMT
If Wael acted like a grown up, accepted that the losses are his fault and passed the club on with the same debt as the day he arrived, I'm sure he could find people willing to take on the challenge of taking Rovers forward. Your not sure though are you? its simply a point of view your putting forward. What i am suggesting is that we need wael to keep the club going during this crisis regardless of how well or badly he has run the club. You can't have it both ways. You say that my position is just opinion, then put forward your opinion as fact. These owners, somehow, have managed to be worse for Rovers than Higgs. Who would have thought that possible 4 years ago? Have a stab at that, do you reckon that's opinion, or fact?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:19:27 GMT
Your not sure though are you? its simply a point of view your putting forward. What i am suggesting is that we need wael to keep the club going during this crisis regardless of how well or badly he has run the club. You can't have it both ways. You say that my position is just opinion, then put forward your opinion as fact. These owners, somehow, have managed to be worse for Rovers than Higgs. Who would have thought that possible 4 years ago? Have a stab at that, do you reckon that's opinion, or fact? You believe someone will take the club on right now?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 29, 2020 22:24:31 GMT
I don't know the facts myself other than two well known local businessmen were going to join the board but the appointments were ditched at the 11th hour. Ooh! Was this as part of the 'ongoing' fruit discussions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:24:57 GMT
You can't have it both ways. You say that my position is just opinion, then put forward your opinion as fact. These owners, somehow, have managed to be worse for Rovers than Higgs. Who would have thought that possible 4 years ago? Have a stab at that, do you reckon that's opinion, or fact? You believe someone will take the club on right now? I believe that they would if the club went bust but nobody is going to take over this level of uncontrolled debt with no way of recovering it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:26:02 GMT
Was this as part of the 'ongoing' fruit discussions? No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing".
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 29, 2020 22:49:14 GMT
Was this as part of the 'ongoing' fruit discussions? No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing". Does all this imply that the much-reported fruit 'exclusivity' is over then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 22:55:08 GMT
You can't have it both ways. You say that my position is just opinion, then put forward your opinion as fact. These owners, somehow, have managed to be worse for Rovers than Higgs. Who would have thought that possible 4 years ago? Have a stab at that, do you reckon that's opinion, or fact? You believe someone will take the club on right now? Firstly, you've dodged the question, you can't have it both ways. Secondly, I don't know. Send a social media message to Wael and ask him to put the club up for sale for the same amount as his family initially invested, then we would find out. But I suspect that offer would attract interest. Having said that, read the posts from KP and Swiss, they join some very worrying dots together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 23:29:30 GMT
You believe someone will take the club on right now? Firstly, you've dodged the question, you can't have it both ways. Secondly, I don't know. Send a social media message to Wael and ask him to put the club up for sale for the same amount as his family initially invested, then we would find out. But I suspect that offer would attract interest. Having said that, read the posts from KP and Swiss, they join some very worrying dots together. I wrongly assumed people would agree that wael will not be able to sell the club in the current situation but you believe he could despite not knowing when we can play football again. That's why i put that forward as a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:24:13 GMT
No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing". Does all this imply that the much-reported fruit 'exclusivity' is over then? I don't think it existed in the first place.
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 30, 2020 10:28:33 GMT
Does all this imply that the much-reported fruit 'exclusivity' is over then? I don't think it existed in the first place. A figment of our leaders vivid imagination
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:12:01 GMT
I don't think it existed in the first place. A figment of our leaders vivid imagination I was referring to the 'exclusivity' part.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:43:34 GMT
Firstly, you've dodged the question, you can't have it both ways. Secondly, I don't know. Send a social media message to Wael and ask him to put the club up for sale for the same amount as his family initially invested, then we would find out. But I suspect that offer would attract interest. Having said that, read the posts from KP and Swiss, they join some very worrying dots together. I wrongly assumed people would agree that wael will not be able to sell the club in the current situation but you believe he could despite not knowing when we can play football again. That's why i put that forward as a fact. Why is this always such hard work with you? I didn't say that I believed that the club could be sold, what I was saying is that, to give Rovers a fighting chance of attracting new owners and them not being hamstrung with huge debt, Wael acting like a grown up and accepting the consequences of his own disastrous decision making would be a great starting point. This is the bloke remember who stood on the pitch and pulled back his jacket to show a Rovers' shirt and shouted into Nick's microphone that he's a Gashead. Maybe he could prove that by doing what's best for the club?
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 30, 2020 14:54:52 GMT
A figment of our leaders vivid imagination I was referring to the 'exclusivity' part. As I said a figment of an overdeveloped imagination
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 22:19:02 GMT
I wrongly assumed people would agree that wael will not be able to sell the club in the current situation but you believe he could despite not knowing when we can play football again. That's why i put that forward as a fact. Why is this always such hard work with you? I didn't say that I believed that the club could be sold, what I was saying is that, to give Rovers a fighting chance of attracting new owners and them not being hamstrung with huge debt, Wael acting like a grown up and accepting the consequences of his own disastrous decision making would be a great starting point. This is the bloke remember who stood on the pitch and pulled back his jacket to show a Rovers' shirt and shouted into Nick's microphone that he's a Gashead. Maybe he could prove that by doing what's best for the club? Now your moving the goal posts after i suggested my comment about wael being our only hope etc. Lets just leave it there. What i am saying is that whatever opinions people have about wael we need him right now because nobody else will keep us afloat. Also why bother with the " why is it hard work with you? " stuff Why do you always need to try to put down or slur any poster with a different opinion to you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 23:31:19 GMT
Why is this always such hard work with you? I didn't say that I believed that the club could be sold, what I was saying is that, to give Rovers a fighting chance of attracting new owners and them not being hamstrung with huge debt, Wael acting like a grown up and accepting the consequences of his own disastrous decision making would be a great starting point. This is the bloke remember who stood on the pitch and pulled back his jacket to show a Rovers' shirt and shouted into Nick's microphone that he's a Gashead. Maybe he could prove that by doing what's best for the club? Now your moving the goal posts after i suggested my comment about wael being our only hope etc. Lets just leave it there. What i am saying is that whatever opinions people have about wael we need him right now because nobody else will keep us afloat. Also why bother with the " why is it hard work with you? " stuff Why do you always need to try to put down or slur any poster with a different opinion to you? Nothing has been moved. I've been totally consistent. Not going to write it for a 4th time. The most frustrating thing about it is that you can be interesting and insightful when you try. I know this is your forum tactic, agitate a bit, try to provoke a reaction, then pretend to be all confused and wonder why the other person is being so horrid to you, but not now mate, we can have a fabricated argument when everybody is safe and well on the other side of this crisis. Take care.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 23:50:08 GMT
Now your moving the goal posts after i suggested my comment about wael being our only hope etc. Lets just leave it there. What i am saying is that whatever opinions people have about wael we need him right now because nobody else will keep us afloat. Also why bother with the " why is it hard work with you? " stuff Why do you always need to try to put down or slur any poster with a different opinion to you? Nothing has been moved. I've been totally consistent. Not going to write it for a 4th time. The most frustrating thing about it is that you can be interesting and insightful when you try. I know this is your forum tactic, agitate a bit, try to provoke a reaction, then pretend to be all confused and wonder why the other person is being so horrid to you, but not now mate, we can have a fabricated argument when everybody is safe and well on the other side of this crisis. Take care. Maybe one day for a laugh just post your different opinion without the put downs?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:11:48 GMT
The most frustrating thing about it is that you can be interesting and insightful when you try. I know this is your forum tactic, agitate a bit, try to provoke a reaction, then pretend to be all confused and wonder why the other person... The irony was palpable. Bambi and Bluesky's friendship is a story.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 31, 2020 13:10:00 GMT
Was this as part of the 'ongoing' fruit discussions? No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing". Sam at the Post says this today - which agrees that there aren't any 'discussions' currently, but seems to think it's still very much alive... 'Are the negotiations with the fruit market now on hold?' Sam's reply: I'm sure many Gasheads are thinking the same thing, Joe. Essentially, no, because the face to face negotiating took place in September and October so now it’s the hands of lawyers. Obviously the current situation has complicated matters and I’m not sure exactly the process of how and when documents can be signed off but talks remain open and there is confidence that a deal will still be reached. The word is from our sources is there has been progress but, as you’ve realised by now, this is a long, complicated and drawn-out process and that’s before we even get into the subject of purchasing Rovers.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 31, 2020 14:20:04 GMT
No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing". Sam at the Post says this today - which agrees that there aren't any 'discussions' currently, but seems to think it's still very much alive... 'Are the negotiations with the fruit market now on hold?' Sam's reply: I'm sure many Gasheads are thinking the same thing, Joe. Essentially, no, because the face to face negotiating took place in September and October so now it’s the hands of lawyers. Obviously the current situation has complicated matters and I’m not sure exactly the process of how and when documents can be signed off but talks remain open and there is confidence that a deal will still be reached. The word is from our sources is there has been progress but, as you’ve realised by now, this is a long, complicated and drawn-out process and that’s before we even get into the subject of purchasing Rovers. You know there are times when I wish we had a much better understanding of what was going on behind the scenes and that the club was more open with the fans etc...And other times when I'm thankful that I live in ignorance of most of it most of the time. Is that being too honest?
Sure I would like to live in a World in which fans view on such goings on mattered and the club took some vague interest and consideration of what we think. Maybe even to the extent that we could have some direct influence over decision making. But this kind of thing shows that we're so far from that being a reality now that we really are just tilting at windmills. Swiss might put me right on that view though I suppose.
I mean IF this is true - and you'd hope that a journalist being confident enough to report on it means that there is at least something going on here - then it sounds unbelievably complicated and tedious and full of pitfalls at every turn.
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Post by droitwichgas on Mar 31, 2020 17:12:03 GMT
No and I don't believe that there are any fruit market discussions "ongoing". Sam at the Post says this today - which agrees that there aren't any 'discussions' currently, but seems to think it's still very much alive... 'Are the negotiations with the fruit market now on hold?' Sam's reply: I'm sure many Gasheads are thinking the same thing, Joe. Essentially, no, because the face to face negotiating took place in September and October so now it’s the hands of lawyers. Obviously the current situation has complicated matters and I’m not sure exactly the process of how and when documents can be signed off but talks remain open and there is confidence that a deal will still be reached. The word is from our sources is there has been progress but, as you’ve realised by now, this is a long, complicated and drawn-out process and that’s before we even get into the subject of purchasing Rovers. Unless the two local business man are connected to the FM development then why would they join the board just as we're apparently about to be sold? Does anybody know why they didn't join the board, the club's or their own decision not to join?
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