kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2020 11:42:10 GMT
That is typical of any sales job. They keep moving the goalposts. I reached the lofty position of sales director and MD designate but I packed the whole lot in, after 18 years of it. Too much scrutiny now with trackers in cars and a55 lickers trying to undermine, at every juncture. Back in the 80’s you could do a deal in the morning that fulfilled your whole months target and be in the gym for a couple of hours as it was all about figures. Now, they want to know where you are all of the time and have a new level of management, who just check on where you are It’s an awful job now and one I’d want no part of. My view is that as long as you hit targets and surpass them then let them carry on. My teams were always top in the figures. I knew all the tricks but never pulled anyone up, so long as they were performing well. As a young rep in the plastics industry, I was promised 1.5% of every months figures , so long as they were hit. I got a deal worth 3 million and the company took that deal as a “ house account” and I never got a penny from it. Had I known then, what I know now, I’d have gone legal. Sales, or field sales, has become an awful job now I was even told they might get a bonus if i buy the other day. That's regulations. FCA. Scripted The old ways of selling still work, getting a customer to buy from you not the company, using tried and tested techniques like listening and asking what they're looking for. Too many people just sell on price which is easy. The best salesman was always the one who could sell the expensive The best advice I ever got was from my first employer in sales. His name was Peter Cooper and he was the best boss and mentor I have ever had, in sales. He said you have 2 ears and one mouth Julian, try to use them in that proportion and you will go further than now. Listening is very important and finding out what a customer really needs instead of just pushing stuff they don’t.
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 26, 2020 11:42:38 GMT
I was even told they might get a bonus if i buy the other day. That's regulations. FCA. Scripted The old ways of selling still work, getting a customer to buy from you not the company, using tried and tested techniques like listening and asking what they're looking for. Too many people just sell on price which is easy. The best salesman was always the one who could sell the expensive Something I always drilled into my team was about the profit margin or bottom line. The inexperienced used to go in at full discount & hope it worked but many failed. I then put in place a commission scheme that rewarded the guys who sold but without using that discount and only going to a certain point. Using a loss leader often helped. We would always have the one profile that we sold at low price but made it up on the others. personally I used to get agitated when I was told but you have the gift of the gab, they didn’t understand that if you didn’t have the product and ability to negotiate then no amount of talking would get a sale. To be a good and profitable salesman is a fine art. I hated the sales courses management were sent on, bored me to death and was a waste of big money. John Cleese made a fortune in videos on sales techniques. We would be told never to approach a potential customer, when we did trade shows, using the words can I help you for crying out loud. Some of the owners really were idiots, who couldn’t sell anything. I’m very glad I left it behind as I was becoming a shark and not a nice person. I could never stop analysing body language, once I dud that course. It still can be a problem, now Everything you have just described, but I sold insurance. We had income sheets and income targets to hit, cross sales, add-ons, I really enjoyed and you don't forget how to sell. I can't look a salesman in the eye now though as I know what they're trying to do. When we sold a big policy on a monthly payment with no discount it could make half your daily target for the branch. You needed the discount to hit your case target as well
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 26, 2020 11:43:59 GMT
I was even told they might get a bonus if i buy the other day. That's regulations. FCA. Scripted The old ways of selling still work, getting a customer to buy from you not the company, using tried and tested techniques like listening and asking what they're looking for. Too many people just sell on price which is easy. The best salesman was always the one who could sell the expensive The best advice I ever got was from my first employer in sales. His name was Peter Cooper and he was the best boss and mentor I have ever had, in sales. He said you have 2 ears and one mouth Julian, try to use them in that proportion and you will go further than now. Listening is very important and finding out what a customer really needs instead of just pushing stuff they don’t. The old ways didn't become bad overnight, just not clever enough. But they still work. Make someone feel like they are getting a deal
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2020 11:44:27 GMT
The car Enzo Ferrari drooled over though Been tempted by Ferraris, but never managed to get past the cost of ownership, the last one I looked at had a projected life of something like 5000 miles for a clutch, replacement at independent specialist was £3500. Thanks, but no thanks. Anyway, going back to that era of Ford, working on the things put me off of ever owning one, very much built down to a standard rather than build a good product then work out how much you have to sell it for. To this day I've never owned a Ford, apart from 1 which it would have been rude not to have, it was a yellow Escort 1.6 Mexico which I did a straight swap for a Triumph Herald estate. The bloke was a builder and needed to be able to take tools / materials to his jobs. Oh, go on then, I'll do you a favour and do the deal Tested a testarossa and the gear changes were awful plus a very heavy clutch. This was circa 1992 and at Nigel Mansells Ferrari dealership, in Dorset
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2020 11:49:53 GMT
Not to worry guys, escorts are still “working” 😂😉 Nah not for me clapped out clutch, prone to leakage and old dodgy bodywork just not worth the money! Going to the wrong * garage * 😂
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2020 11:51:52 GMT
70's/80s Gig's eh!, oh so many, but a few of my fav's are below. The Jam - Bristol Uni Siouxie & the Banshees - Locarno Bristol Generation X - Locarno Bristol The Damned - Locarno Bristol (Abandoned - But fun while it lasted!). X-Ray Spex - Tiffany's Bristol The Who - Birmingham RIP Poly styrene.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 26, 2020 12:20:15 GMT
70's/80s Gig's eh!, oh so many, but a few of my fav's are below. The Jam - Bristol Uni Siouxie & the Banshees - Locarno Bristol Generation X - Locarno Bristol The Damned - Locarno Bristol (Abandoned - But fun while it lasted!). X-Ray Spex - Tiffany's Bristol The Who - Birmingham RIP Poly styrene. Indeed, the stage at Tiffany's was low and close, was a deafening night, I think Steel Pulse were the support act.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 26, 2020 13:58:23 GMT
Top 5 The Smiths Reading Uni PIL Reading Uni The Pogues Reading Uni Stiff Little Fingers Colston Hall The Carpenters, Colston Hall. OK it never actually happened. Karen went down with a sore throat and cancelled. The Carpenters were possibly the least hip band to like in the mid-70's. My parents were massive fans and were going to drag us kids along (I would have been about 10 at the time). I wasn't that fussed. In retrospect I'm absolutely gutted I never got to hear Karen sing live. I'm still a fan. Radiohead, The Smiths, Joy Division, Kate Bush and The Carpenters. Unlikely bed fellows.
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 26, 2020 14:10:13 GMT
Top 5 The Smiths Reading Uni PIL Reading Uni The Pogues Reading Uni Stiff Little Fingers Colston Hall The Carpenters, Colston Hall. OK it never actually happened. Karen went down with a sore throat and cancelled. The Carpenters were possibly the least hip band to like in the mid-70's. My parents were massive fans and were going to drag us kids along (I would have been about 10 at the time). I wasn't that fussed. In retrospect I'm absolutely gutted I never got to hear Karen sing live. I'm still a fan. Radiohead, The Smiths, Joy Division, Kate Bush and The Carpenters. Unlikely bed fellows. Kate Bush is amazing, very underrated
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Post by Teigngas on Mar 26, 2020 14:58:25 GMT
Top 5 The Smiths Reading Uni PIL Reading Uni The Pogues Reading Uni Stiff Little Fingers Colston HallThe Carpenters, Colston Hall. OK it never actually happened. Karen went down with a sore throat and cancelled. The Carpenters were possibly the least hip band to like in the mid-70's. My parents were massive fans and were going to drag us kids along (I would have been about 10 at the time). I wasn't that fussed. In retrospect I'm absolutely gutted I never got to hear Karen sing live. I'm still a fan. Radiohead, The Smiths, Joy Division, Kate Bush and The Carpenters. Unlikely bed fellows. I saw 5LF at Colston Hall. Thing that sticks in my mind most (not sure what that says of the concert) is the almost deafening noise of everyone sounding their car horns on the way out of the multi storey. No idea why.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Mar 26, 2020 19:58:16 GMT
70's/80s Gig's eh!, oh so many, but a few of my fav's are below. The Jam - Bristol Uni Siouxie & the Banshees - Locarno Bristol Generation X - Locarno Bristol The Damned - Locarno Bristol (Abandoned - But fun while it lasted!). X-Ray Spex - Tiffany's Bristol The Who - Birmingham Mine are all 80s as I’m only 52. New Order - Studio Housemartins- Studio Echo and the Bunnymen - Colston Hall (missed Rovers v Arsenal league cup 2nd leg for this) Elvis Costello supported by The Pogues - Studio Joe Strummer and the Latino Rockabilly War Band - Bierkeller.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 26, 2020 21:07:04 GMT
70's/80s Gig's eh!, oh so many, but a few of my fav's are below. The Jam - Bristol Uni Siouxie & the Banshees - Locarno Bristol Generation X - Locarno Bristol The Damned - Locarno Bristol (Abandoned - But fun while it lasted!). X-Ray Spex - Tiffany's Bristol The Who - Birmingham Mine are all 80s as I’m only 52. New Order - Studio Housemartins- Studio Echo and the Bunnymen - Colston Hall (missed Rovers v Arsenal league cup 2nd leg for this) Elvis Costello supported by The Pogues - Studio Joe Strummer and the Latino Rockabilly War Band - Bierkeller. Bierkeller! (Dingwall's), forgot about that place!, The Alarm Gig in 83', My band was support act.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Mar 26, 2020 21:17:10 GMT
Mine are all 80s as I’m only 52. New Order - Studio Housemartins- Studio Echo and the Bunnymen - Colston Hall (missed Rovers v Arsenal league cup 2nd leg for this) Elvis Costello supported by The Pogues - Studio Joe Strummer and the Latino Rockabilly War Band - Bierkeller. Bierkeller!, forgot about that place!, The Alarm Gig in 83', My band was support act. My first gig was The Alarm at the Studio in 83, supported by Jake Burns from SLF.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2020 10:55:56 GMT
Top 5 The Smiths Reading Uni PIL Reading Uni The Pogues Reading Uni Stiff Little Fingers Colston Hall The Carpenters, Colston Hall. OK it never actually happened. Karen went down with a sore throat and cancelled. The Carpenters were possibly the least hip band to like in the mid-70's. My parents were massive fans and were going to drag us kids along (I would have been about 10 at the time). I wasn't that fussed. In retrospect I'm absolutely gutted I never got to hear Karen sing live. I'm still a fan. Radiohead, The Smiths, Joy Division, Kate Bush and The Carpenters. Unlikely bed fellows. Kate Bush is amazing, very underrated She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too
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Post by badbloodash on Mar 27, 2020 11:19:49 GMT
Kate Bush is amazing, very underrated She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too In the late eighties me and Scully worked on peter Gabriels new recording studio in box seen quite a few famous people including Kate there on the whole they all seemed complete knobs but Gabriel was the worst treated everyone working there like s**t even though we created a fantastic studio over looking a lake once it was done got all the footpaths closed as the public walking by disturbed the artists although amazulu ( girl band ) were good down to earth girls
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 11:32:23 GMT
Kate Bush is amazing, very underrated She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too She seems to have struck up a good relationship with the staff at her local pie shop over the years.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 27, 2020 11:56:36 GMT
Kate Bush is amazing, very underrated She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too Really KP? In her defence I guess that what happens when you're a perfectionist... She only toured once in her early days (1978?) to promote the Kick Inside. My sister saw her at the Colston Hall and said it was unbelievable. I had the chance to see her a few years back when she did those run of shows in London. Stupidly I didn't go. I am stupid. I think she mass-hypnotised people with the video to Army Dreamers. It's my "go to video" after a few too many ciders. Look into the eyes, not around the eyes, into the eyes...
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2020 12:30:37 GMT
She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too Really KP? In her defence I guess that what happens when you're a perfectionist... She only toured once in her early days (1978?) to promote the Kick Inside. My sister saw her at the Colston Hall and said it was unbelievable. I had the chance to see her a few years back when she did those run of shows in London. Stupidly I didn't go. I am stupid. I think she mass-hypnotised people with the video to Army Dreamers. It's my "go to video" after a few too many ciders. Look into the eyes, not around the eyes, into the eyes... my go to song is the collaboration with Peter Gabriel, don’t give up. That has pulled me through many bad situations & been a lifesaver
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2020 12:34:54 GMT
She’s a bloody diva and difficult to work with. A friend used to be one of her roadies and said she caused lots of trouble in every gig, for promoters and the venues. Her rider was unreasonable too In the late eighties me and Scully worked on peter Gabriels new recording studio in box seen quite a few famous people including Kate there on the whole they all seemed complete knobs but Gabriel was the worst treated everyone working there like s*** even though we created a fantastic studio over looking a lake once it was done got all the footpaths closed as the public walking by disturbed the artists although amazulu ( girl band ) were good down to earth girls It’s funny you should mention him as I met him, in a local shop there and got his autograph and he seemed really nice. Maybe just having work done made him dafty, it has me. I hate having work done here as it invades my safe place and peace of mind
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Post by toteend3 on Mar 28, 2020 9:54:52 GMT
70's/80s Gig's eh!, oh so many, but a few of my fav's are below. The Jam - Bristol Uni Siouxie & the Banshees - Locarno Bristol Generation X - Locarno Bristol The Damned - Locarno Bristol (Abandoned - But fun while it lasted!). X-Ray Spex - Tiffany's Bristol The Who - Birmingham Locarno - Cricky I've just remembered that was the venue, when on my 21st birthday after a gig I needed to go..., and unable to find a trench coat pocket I stumbled across a car with loose petrol cap - What a relief. Also in the same building was the Bristol ice rink where I saw my first and last Bristol Ice Hockey match - really enjoyable Bristol University- Purely by chance, with our next door neighbours (at the time) watched a brilliant set from Leftfield! Eastville - Speedway and Dog racing (I went many a time with my dad) I think an under achieving football club also played there! Vadiums - when i had my Triumph Spitfire (1966 model - not my age - but close) - Talking of models I pulled the prettist girl in the club who claimed she was a model - I asked her why she went for me - interesting response was most blokes suffer from confidence issues and are reluctant to approach her ( I raised my game after that as it really bumped up my self esteem) Dug out - Best nightclub ever - To many memories - all good bar one got bottled from behind by a city fan.... Trinity - Finally getting up date a little watched MJ12 (Trance) several times - absolutely outstanding - I had my BAFC tattoo covered up by MJ12 The tattooist on Zetland Road Junction asked me if the tattoo stood for Michael Jackson and the age of the kids he used to hang about with - cheeky bu##er! UTG
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