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Post by stevek192 on Mar 16, 2020 9:38:41 GMT
IMO the new season should not be considered until this one is finished which may mean playing catch up for the next two seasons. Whatever way you do it it is totally wrong to not conclude the season. Perhaps it has to be slightly amended and maybe now there should be no Play offs and so the teams in the promotion positions at the end go up. That seems the fairest way to sort things out rather than just write off the entire season with only ten or eleven games to go. The "season that never was " would make an absolute mockery of Football in general whichever division is involved.
There may also be a case for one season after to be played with no Play offs which would catch it up quicker and get it back to normal as soon as possible. If it takes a new season starting on say 25th October and maybe sacrificing the Mickey mouse cup and even the league Cup for one season then surely that would be a better and fairer outcome.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 10:42:52 GMT
I can only say that my doctor is now only seeing people with life threatening emergencies and the nurses are only doing redressing of operation wounds. The Doc phoned me today and his tone was that of a very worried man. He is always so calm so this was genuinely a shock. His view is tha this will get much worse ( sic) and that people such as I, shouldn’t go near the surgery. Controlled drugs can only be given by hand, in normal circumstances but mine were posted by him, earlier. I can see tbe season ending but totally behind closed doors
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 16, 2020 10:44:01 GMT
IMO the new season should not be considered until this one is finished which may mean playing catch up for the next two seasons. Whatever way you do it it is totally wrong to not conclude the season. Perhaps it has to be slightly amended and maybe now there should be no Play offs and so the teams in the promotion positions at the end go up. That seems the fairest way to sort things out rather than just write off the entire season with only ten or eleven games to go. The "season that never was " would make an absolute mockery of Football in general whichever division is involved. There may also be a case for one season after to be played with no Play offs which would catch it up quicker and get it back to normal as soon as possible. If it takes a new season starting on say 25th October and maybe sacrificing the Mickey mouse cup and even the league Cup for one season then surely that would be a better and fairer outcome. Agree with all you say steve,which is unusual.i dont think they have an option because any other decision will leave governing bodies open to litigation
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 10:54:11 GMT
Maybe this could see the governing bodies finally find a way to share some of the many hundreds of millions that is given to a select few .
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Post by Igitur on Mar 16, 2020 11:33:28 GMT
There will be an EFL board meeting later this week meanwhile: "The League also feels it inappropriate to respond to the many hypothetical solutions being suggested whilst the many unknowns remain. Given the fast paced environment and parameters we are currently working within, it is simply not practical to give a running commentary on what may happen...
For what it's worth I feel the leagues have to finish, including play offs. Any decision made by the Premier and/or EFL boards affecting income for a/any club will have the legal eagles set on them.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 12:34:37 GMT
There will be an EFL board meeting later this week meanwhile: "The League also feels it inappropriate to respond to the many hypothetical solutions being suggested whilst the many unknowns remain. Given the fast paced environment and parameters we are currently working within, it is simply not practical to give a running commentary on what may happen...For what it's worth I feel the leagues have to finish, including play offs. Any decision made by the Premier and/or EFL boards affecting income for a/any club will have the legal eagles set on them. I genuinely believe, after talking with my GP this morning, that we will be on house lockdown and quite soon
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Post by trymer on Mar 16, 2020 16:14:50 GMT
There will be an EFL board meeting later this week meanwhile: "The League also feels it inappropriate to respond to the many hypothetical solutions being suggested whilst the many unknowns remain. Given the fast paced environment and parameters we are currently working within, it is simply not practical to give a running commentary on what may happen...For what it's worth I feel the leagues have to finish, including play offs. Any decision made by the Premier and/or EFL boards affecting income for a/any club will have the legal eagles set on them. I genuinely believe, after talking with my GP this morning, that we will be on house lockdown and quite soon The birth rate and the divorce rate will both rise if you are correct !
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 16, 2020 16:57:15 GMT
In response to o p which I somewhat empathise with, I have cancelled my sky sports subscription.
I think many more will/have done too.
Putting 2+2 together, it will only be a matter of time before financial implications are considered. I'm not saying this will take priority over health and safety or welfare, but I think it's only a matter of time before business feels the squeeze and lobbies hard to get things changed. (Business in this instance is far reaching, not just clubs' players and staff but also suppliers and sponsors etc..)
I saw it first hand in foot and mouth crisis 2001.
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 16, 2020 17:09:42 GMT
We all need to keep calm and consider others particularly the elderly who will be going through hell over the next few weeks/months.
I returned from Southern Spain last evening to Bristol the scenes at the resort we were staying at were difficult on Saturday to understand all shops, bars, restaurants closed down. Guarda Civil taking people off the streets. It was not until we reached Alicante airport yesterday morning at 9am did we fully realise the desperate situation passengers wishing to flee Spain had become. Fortunately we managed a rescue flight but it was touch and go with many stranded at the airport.
This will probably be this country within days. Keep safe and take care gasheads.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 16, 2020 22:16:05 GMT
There will be an EFL board meeting later this week meanwhile: "The League also feels it inappropriate to respond to the many hypothetical solutions being suggested whilst the many unknowns remain. Given the fast paced environment and parameters we are currently working within, it is simply not practical to give a running commentary on what may happen...For what it's worth I feel the leagues have to finish, including play offs. Any decision made by the Premier and/or EFL boards affecting income for a/any club will have the legal eagles set on them. This is the right call to be honest because there's no point in dealing with the consequence of it until we know the full extent of what 'it' is. Also a bit crass to prioritise this with so many other concerns.
But the way I see it there are only 2 scenarios. Either you finish the season or you write it off. The former has major issues to it but probably not as many as the latter and if this goes on for as long (and is as potentially grim) as is now rumoured people will probaly want some meaningful football at the end of it to cheer us all up a bit.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 17, 2020 5:23:32 GMT
Ten games at two games a week is five weeks but the way this thing is escalating I can't see that happening. Life before all else.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2020 10:36:46 GMT
In response to o p which I somewhat empathise with, I have cancelled my sky sports subscription. I think many more will/have done too. Putting 2+2 together, it will only be a matter of time before financial implications are considered. I'm not saying this will take priority over health and safety or welfare, but I think it's only a matter of time before business feels the squeeze and lobbies hard to get things changed. (Business in this instance is far reaching, not just clubs' players and staff but also suppliers and sponsors etc..) I saw it first hand in foot and mouth crisis 2001. That's got me thinking (doesn't happen often). Football in England is a huge financial bubble. The Premiership is funded largely by Sky subscriptions and Sky high ticket prices. If enough people (perfectly reasonably) cancel their Sky subscription... and obviously a lot of people won't be buying tickets for the foreseeable future - is this what is going to finally burst the bubble? Sky / Premiership Clubs will be trying to ensure their own survival. The thought that they might bail out Clubs lower down the league is IMHO laughable. Ain't gonna happen. Maybe this is the massive kick the entire industry needs to actually become sustainable. There may be trouble ahead. But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance, Let's face the music and dance.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 17, 2020 10:49:50 GMT
I genuinely believe, after talking with my GP this morning, that we will be on house lockdown and quite soon The birth rate and the divorce rate will both rise if you are correct ! Not in westernised countries due to contraception but I can see it in strongly catholic countries and underdeveloped areas. I will leave the Moslems out of it as I don’t want to see argument, had enough of that yesterday, had my first day of facebooking, for longer than an hour, left me feeling very very agitated and even angry as so many are so very ignorant of facts and only repeat what they have read, it then becomes fact ffs
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 17, 2020 10:51:47 GMT
We all need to keep calm and consider others particularly the elderly who will be going through hell over the next few weeks/months. I returned from Southern Spain last evening to Bristol the scenes at the resort we were staying at were difficult on Saturday to understand all shops, bars, restaurants closed down. Guarda Civil taking people off the streets. It was not until we reached Alicante airport yesterday morning at 9am did we fully realise the desperate situation passengers wishing to flee Spain had become. Fortunately we managed a rescue flight but it was touch and go with many stranded at the airport. This will probably be this country within days. Keep safe and take care gasheads. My friend has had his flight cancelled and they HAVE to stay a further week and on lockdown, first flight they can get is Sunday. He described it as very scary over there
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 17, 2020 15:59:38 GMT
In response to o p which I somewhat empathise with, I have cancelled my sky sports subscription. I think many more will/have done too. Putting 2+2 together, it will only be a matter of time before financial implications are considered. I'm not saying this will take priority over health and safety or welfare, but I think it's only a matter of time before business feels the squeeze and lobbies hard to get things changed. (Business in this instance is far reaching, not just clubs' players and staff but also suppliers and sponsors etc..) I saw it first hand in foot and mouth crisis 2001. That's got me thinking (doesn't happen often). Football in England is a huge financial bubble. The Premiership is funded largely by Sky subscriptions and Sky high ticket prices. If enough people (perfectly reasonably) cancel their Sky subscription... and obviously a lot of people won't be buying tickets for the foreseeable future - is this what is going to finally burst the bubble? Sky / Premiership Clubs will be trying to ensure their own survival. The thought that they might bail out Clubs lower down the league is IMHO laughable. Ain't gonna happen. Maybe this is the massive kick the entire industry needs to actually become sustainable. There may be trouble ahead. But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. I hope a bubble is burst, but not at the expense of smaller clubs that need the financial injection and rely on the humble fan.. Nice post though and always good to think.
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Mar 17, 2020 20:18:47 GMT
The Premier League couldn’t give a monkeys about the lower leagues, most of the clubs have owners who have no concept, background or motivation to understand life at our level. They would probably be quite happy for the bottom two leagues to disappear, then see those disenfranchised fans as potential new customers, Let’s see if the family of football,we often hear about ,is a myth or not. The Sky era was only going to be an exercise in survival of the fittest, some of the top clubs would probably love nothing better than to stitch up the TV money between them, whilst the dross near the bottom just try to hang on to their coat tails. Everybody knows that football fans in Thailand or New Zealand aren’t setting the clock to get up for West Ham v Watford. Won’t be holding my breath, as stated above, there are enough economic basket cases in the Championship as it is, as they chase the golden dream. They must hate the fact that as long as there are three relegation places, at the end of the season a big club or two, will have to go down to League 1. Even if one of the places are usually reserved for the regular yo-yo clubs, such as Rotherham and Barnsley, who are then automatic favourites to return the following season. The next few weeks will see a lot of true colours being shown. Can’t see how football can restart before the end of summer, how are the players going to retain much level of fitness? Not sure how many clubs are training much at the moment, or how practical training is, or will be in the next few weeks. We can’t assume that none of them will catch the virus, likewise support staff. When that happens, it will be immediate self isolation, then unable to field a side, with previous contact with others. Looks like the spike of new cases will carry on through the next two or three months, then you would need some sort of pre season, and match practices. Two months to complete any outstanding fixtures, followed by some sort of mangled play off system? End of season, then maybe another break of a few weeks. Can’t see new season starting before October or so. Whether this season is just abandoned or not, some clubs will be outraged either way, and with some justification. Another reprieve for Bolton does not seem right, but all I seem to hear about is how Liverpool and Leeds will be affected. Forgive my ramblings, trying to get away from all the virus talk on TV.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 17, 2020 23:20:29 GMT
The Premier League couldn’t give a monkeys about the lower leagues, most of the clubs have owners who have no concept, background or motivation to understand life at our level. I agree with most of your post but I would point out that the real issue is that this statement equally well applies to about 75% of lower league owners as well. I think there is a real lack of understanding from owners (whatever their background) in understanding what makes lower league football fans tick. Most have bought into this idea that there's money out there if they can find a way of getting into the big boys club for a bit, which these days is the Championship as much as the Premiership. They don't really care about the past or the present of lower league football fans. In fact most probably aspire to a level of success that would move beyond reliance on that fanbase. This is one of the many reasons we are stuffed.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 18, 2020 8:21:33 GMT
A lot of Clubs in the lower leagues lurch from one home gate to the next. The cash from the turnstiles pays the staff and covers (most) of the overheads. The inevitable shortfall is made up by benevolent owners (or those that chose to spend the equity from the Club's Stadium, should they have been lucky enough to inherit it). Or they add it to existing debt. Forget help from Sky or the 'big' Clubs. We 'might' see Government help to keep Clubs going - but I doubt it. Why should they? There are better run businesses that need Government help. Football is a basket case. The effects of the corona virus presents an existential threat to the entire structure of the national game. Bigger than WWII IMHO. The cash-flow crisis will inevitably push a number of Clubs over the edge. How many of the 91 top tier Clubs will exist in their current form in the next few years? This is the tipping point. A number of Clubs may well fold - Bolton, Oldham, Macclesfield, Southend, Crawley, Stevenage, that's just off the top of my head. Hopefully we won't be one of the Clubs pushed over the edge. In an ideal world the Premier League and the EFL would get their heads together and figure out a sustainable strategy for the future of football. That's about as likely as move to the Fruit Bowl.
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Post by bloogas on Mar 18, 2020 8:54:57 GMT
Ten games at two games a week is five weeks but the way this thing is escalating I can't see that happening. Life before all else. I seem to remember a season back in the 80s,maybe the first at Twerton, Bobby Gould was manager, when for some reason we'd got behind with games. We seemed, as I recall it, that we were playing two games a week. Maybe HB can elaborate?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 18, 2020 19:17:46 GMT
On the bright side, if they do play out the season, Pompey away might actually be on a Saturday as planned... ?
One day.
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