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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 12:44:04 GMT
The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay. Thank you oldie. Very much appreciated. Glad I was forced to get my affairs in order as it’s one less POS to deal with. I don’t know why but I have no fear over this. Maybe due to having so much of hospitals and doctors ? I will just go about my life as normal, if unwell then I always stay clear of others in any case I find myself in the potential "vulnerable" category given my age and the presence of the delightfully named "Co-Morbities" 2 in my case. I also fear little, more for my kids and grandkids, but also for those in a far worse a position than me.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 12:52:56 GMT
Thank you oldie . Very much appreciated. Glad I was forced to get my affairs in order as it’s one less POS to deal with. I don’t know why but I have no fear over this. Maybe due to having so much of hospitals and doctors ? I will just go about my life as normal, if unwell then I always stay clear of others in any case I find myself in the potential "vulnerable" category given my age and the presence of the delightfully named "Co-Morbities" 2 in my case. I also fear little, more for my kids and grandkids, but also for those in a far worse a position than me. I have no fear of death but I do care for those in the caregiving and health sectors in particular. It’s a strange one as I’m normally a worry wart but I just feel no worry at all with this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:53:13 GMT
there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay.
does that happen EVERY year through flu ? , your bias trying to score political points stinks , this goverment like every goverment tries
to stop deaths not encourage them
Please please stop trying to invoke a political argument. This is a bona fide strategy, a gamble, but a strategy. There is no absolute right or wrong in macro strategy, we do the best we can within that by taking personal responsibility. Part of that responsibility is the suspension of political debate. That is not relevant until we are passed this. So stop it Hang on you're the one attacking the government
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 15:31:33 GMT
Please please stop trying to invoke a political argument. This is a bona fide strategy, a gamble, but a strategy. There is no absolute right or wrong in macro strategy, we do the best we can within that by taking personal responsibility. Part of that responsibility is the suspension of political debate. That is not relevant until we are passed this. So stop it Hang on you're the one attacking the government Attacking no one. I am stating a strategy
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Post by Rex on Mar 16, 2020 15:40:23 GMT
I was being sarcastic. Taking my political bias and dislike for johnson and trump out of the debate i Wonder why our medical advice is totally different to china,korea,denmark,italy and spain? time will tell who got it right, for me once its out its about how you manage it, boris following our experts
im ok with that
Yes me too, as I previously stated, to say I am not a fan of Boris doesn't really convey my true feelings for him and his government. However, in the current climate , everyone is guessing to some degree and all Boris can do is follow the advice from the expertise available. Now is not the time for party politics.
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Post by trymer on Mar 16, 2020 16:10:52 GMT
I find myself in the potential "vulnerable" category given my age and the presence of the delightfully named "Co-Morbities" 2 in my case. I also fear little, more for my kids and grandkids, but also for those in a far worse a position than me. I have no fear of death but I do care for those in the caregiving and health sectors in particular. It’s a strange one as I’m normally a worry wart but I just feel no worry at all with this. I can quite understand you KP,the future looks so grim (possibly like One day in the life of Ivan Denosovich ) that the damned (the survivors) may end up envying the dead. I was listening to a group of 30 year olds today who were happy that the Coronavirus death rate in their age group is so low, I thought you fools cant you see that will just mean that your suffering will be prolonged ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 23:45:42 GMT
Come on, Sirs. I can't expect Uncle Eppers to lift the anchor (assuming he knows how) if you bicker and moan. We're on the same side, but let's debate government policy and the scientific evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 1:38:53 GMT
Come on, Sirs. I can't expect Uncle Eppers to lift the anchor (assuming he knows how) if you bicker and moan. We're on the same side, but let's debate government policy and the scientific evidence. bickering is good as long as it doesnt get personal, its how compromises are found
ive been pondering would a cross party emergency committee be a good thing to deal with this poxy virus issue ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 17, 2020 10:45:37 GMT
I have no fear of death but I do care for those in the caregiving and health sectors in particular. It’s a strange one as I’m normally a worry wart but I just feel no worry at all with this. I can quite understand you KP,the future looks so grim (possibly like One day in the life of Ivan Denosovich ) that the damned (the survivors) may end up envying the dead. I was listening to a group of 30 year olds today who were happy that the Coronavirus death rate in their age group is so low, I thought you fools cant you see that will just mean that your suffering will be prolonged ? You used a great example there. I read the book in my 30’s and have gone back to it a few times. Am reading all things RIchard Bach right now in an effort to lift my spirits. Yes, the younger generation are blissfully unaware and I’m kind of glad about that. Let the children play, as Santana sings.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2020 16:41:13 GMT
Come on, Sirs. I can't expect Uncle Eppers to lift the anchor (assuming he knows how) if you bicker and moan. We're on the same side, but let's debate government policy and the scientific evidence. Afternoon duck. I'm not lifting the anchor because that would encourage never-ending mud-slinging and name-calling. I 100% agree we should have a thread that relates to the coronavirus and the effect it has on the vulnerable people in our society (Gasheads, s**theads and otherwise. We are all people. Even s**theads). The problem is that any criticism of the Government will provoke a left vs right argument and I really can't be arsed to trawl through the bickering. If there was a way of banning people from certain threads who can't debate and just end up name-calling - I would do it. If you would care to start another thread - then be my guest. The anchor will be used if appropriate. I read somewhere else that a National Government of Unity is being called for? Yup - no problem with that. As long as Diane Abbott isn't called up. LOOK - RIGHT THERE - I CAN'T EVEN TRUST MYSELF. quod erat demonstrandum (ad infinitum)
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2020 16:49:13 GMT
Fascist And very presumptive. So now I'm a presumptive fascist. Gracious. I guess I've been called worse.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 18, 2020 0:36:45 GMT
Come on, Sirs. I can't expect Uncle Eppers to lift the anchor (assuming he knows how) if you bicker and moan. We're on the same side, but let's debate government policy and the scientific evidence. Afternoon duck. I'm not lifting the anchor because that would encourage never-ending mud-slinging and name-calling. I 100% agree we should have a thread that relates to the coronavirus and the effect it has on the vulnerable people in our society (Gasheads, s***heads and otherwise. We are all people. Even s***heads). The problem is that any criticism of the Government will provoke a left vs right argument and I really can't be arsed to trawl through the bickering. If there was a way of banning people from certain threads who can't debate and just end up name-calling - I would do it. If you would care to start another thread - then be my guest. The anchor will be used if appropriate. I read somewhere else that a National Government of Unity is being called for? Yup - no problem with that. As long as Diane Abbott isn't called up. LOOK - RIGHT THERE - I CAN'T EVEN TRUST MYSELF. quod erat demonstrandum (ad infinitum) Most on the left would agree with you re Abbott if they were being truthful. I know I do
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 20, 2020 20:20:54 GMT
Afternoon duck. I'm not lifting the anchor because that would encourage never-ending mud-slinging and name-calling. I 100% agree we should have a thread that relates to the coronavirus and the effect it has on the vulnerable people in our society (Gasheads, s***heads and otherwise. We are all people. Even s***heads). The problem is that any criticism of the Government will provoke a left vs right argument and I really can't be arsed to trawl through the bickering. If there was a way of banning people from certain threads who can't debate and just end up name-calling - I would do it. If you would care to start another thread - then be my guest. The anchor will be used if appropriate. I read somewhere else that a National Government of Unity is being called for? Yup - no problem with that. As long as Diane Abbott isn't called up. LOOK - RIGHT THERE - I CAN'T EVEN TRUST MYSELF. quod erat demonstrandum (ad infinitum) Most on the left would agree with you re Abbott if they were being truthful. I know I do After watching the press conferences this week I have to say that although I am not his biggest fan I think his performances have been excellent and brought home to us all the seriousness of the situation and the need to follow instructions
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 25, 2020 21:01:58 GMT
Most on the left would agree with you re Abbott if they were being truthful. I know I do After watching the press conferences this week I have to say that although I am not his biggest fan I think his performances have been excellent and brought home to us all the seriousness of the situation and the need to follow instructionsTotally agree, it is not about if you like Boris or not, he and his team have done as well as any party leader would have done. It is easy to criticise from afar, but would any of us done any better, really ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2020 12:14:31 GMT
After watching the press conferences this week I have to say that although I am not his biggest fan I think his performances have been excellent and brought home to us all the seriousness of the situation and the need to follow instructions Totally agree, it is not about if you like Boris or not, he and his team have done as well as any party leader would have done. It is easy to criticise from afar, but would any of us done any better, really ? Yes, by acting earlier. It really is that simple but we allowed many to travel and expose themselves. A close friend has the virus after going to Tenerife and his family are afflicted too. We had time to stop travel much earlier but did not do so
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