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Post by gastastrophe on Mar 15, 2020 18:23:12 GMT
I know there's no footie to entertain us at the moment but can you all take this political crap somewhere else?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 15, 2020 18:26:09 GMT
8 for me, but I'd guess you take the opposite position on most of these so score 0 (or close to). A referendum with a binary yes/no choice on one of the most important matters in the history of our Nation was always going to be divisive and result in polarised and entrenched positions which ever way the outcome went. We should never have had a referendum on this - it was far too complex and important issue to be reduced to a binary choice like this. If we do think this is a sensible way to do politics, then let's have a load of others including whether or not we should keep nuclear weapons, whether we stay a monarchy or become a republic and whether or not we massively increase taxes on the wealthy and tax avoiding businesses. Divide and conquer is also the favourite tactic of the Nasty party - they've been using it to further their own interests (not for the good of the country) for as long as I can remember. I don't see any way the polarisation of views will be healed any time soon. the ;nasty party ; went to the eu for a compromise and got the bums rush, a referendum was as fair a way to do it as any,
as for internal affairs we have an election every 5 years to decide which way the public want the country to go
They got the bum's rush because of the arrogant way they went about it - just like they are doing today - and it is going to result in a similar outcome for them and us. Having a referendum on this matter was not about fairness. The issue is far to complex to be reduced to a simple yes/no choice, especially when the majority of the population do not understand the ramifications and implications arising from which ever way they vote (and I'm certain many politicians don't either). This was simply a vanity project and was all about Dead Pigs Head Man trying to unite the rift within the nasty party and to counter the threat of UKIP dividing their support base. Sadly it exposed the fact that the nation is as divided as the nasty party is on the matter. Holding such a referendum shows a complete lack of political leadership, and is cowardice and mendacity of the highest order in my opinion. Agree with your final point, and I despise politics by referendum, but if this is how you want to decide such an important issue then surely you have to have more on other contentious subjects as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:40:27 GMT
I think we need to talk about COVID19, BRFC, gasheads, and the over-seventies, actually. Plenty of gasheads are over seventy. I go to matches with three generations of a family, aged nine to seventy-one. And here's the place to do it. What do you say, Uncle Eppers? Lift the anchor, and merge all the COVID19 and non-football into one big thread with an inoffensive explanatory title, that those offended by such can easily avoid. Come on, Uncle Eppers. I'm genuinely concerned about COVID19 management and the effects on gasheads over seventy. Let's be honest, this is the forum for older gasheads. Rare for such a political thread not to be attributable to that oaf Bambi.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:56:47 GMT
I think we need to talk about COVID19, BRFC, gasheads, and the over-seventies, actually. Plenty of gasheads are over seventy. I go to matches with three generations of a family, aged nine to seventy-one. And here's the place to do it. What do you say, Uncle Eppers? Lift the anchor, and merge all the COVID19 and non-football into one big thread with an inoffensive explanatory title, that those offended by such can easily avoid. Come on, Uncle Eppers. I'm genuinely concerned about COVID19 management and the effects on gasheads over seventy. Let's be honest, this is the forum for older gasheads. Rare for such a political thread not to be attributable to that oaf Bambi. Seconded
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:28:37 GMT
Odd to think that Gas Guzzler would ever have public service responsibilities, but here we are. So please, Uncle Eppers, lift the anchor, and merge all COVID19 disussion into a COVID19 thread, where we promise to disagree politely, but to debate productively, the evidence base, official guidelines, and political decisions thereon. I get it that we need to avoid party political or tribal point-scoring or mud-slinging. We can do this. We need to agree somehow, what exactly we're supposed to do, so that seventy-year-old gasheads are safe, that some kind of society continues, and that football survives too. Certainly I have a view, and it's not that people should be stockpiling toilet rolls so that others have none. That's about all I've worked out so far. None of us yet know. We have to learn together, and to live together. One thread, Uncle Eppers. Once it's over, we're safe, and the football resumes, then you can restore the anchor! Paging eppinggas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:32:23 GMT
the ;nasty party ; went to the eu for a compromise and got the bums rush, a referendum was as fair a way to do it as any,
as for internal affairs we have an election every 5 years to decide which way the public want the country to go
But even then they are not a representation of the country and never will be unless we have proportional representation or compulsory voting couple with a fine for not doing so true but then you end up with hung goverments and elections every 18 months
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Post by toteend3 on Mar 15, 2020 23:02:19 GMT
If Labour had had a credible leader at the last election then Boris may have had a fight on his hands. However they did not so we ended up with Boris. The world is fighting for it's very existence and for my money I glad as far as the UK is concerned we haven't got Corbyn / Abbott running the show.
As far as releasing the anchor if the thread could be amended to 'latest from Boris' then iam all for it - This virus is going to kill millions of people, football is rendered absolutely irrelevant, For the next few months maybe years) let's try and get through this for the sake of our families, our businesses and our friends. I thinking in particular to all the older people we know who may not have anyone looking out for them. I iam in the 'at risk category' but fortunately I have a good inner circle of family and friends. There will be many who haven't got this support including a lot of old toteenders.
This collectively should surely be of paramount importance to try and establish who has got no one and remedy it - We don't want to lose any of our brothers they are all precious!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 0:26:24 GMT
Its hard to believe that the OP could Consider boris barmy,i mean surely boris and his great friend donald trump are the perfect leaders for this crisis? Its not as if if they are just a couple of chancers is it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 1:00:55 GMT
Its hard to believe that the OP could Consider boris barmy,i mean surely boris and his great friend donald trump are the perfect leaders for this crisis? Its not as if if they are just a couple of chancers is it? you think corbyn would be better ?
what would you have boris do differently than being advised by medical experts ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 2:16:41 GMT
Its hard to believe that the OP could Consider boris barmy,i mean surely boris and his great friend donald trump are the perfect leaders for this crisis? Its not as if if they are just a couple of chancers is it? you think corbyn would be better ?
what would you have boris do differently than being advised by medical experts ?
I have clearly stated what great guys boris and donald are and yet you come at me with this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 3:41:32 GMT
you think corbyn would be better ?
what would you have boris do differently than being advised by medical experts ?
I have clearly stated what great guys boris and donald are and yet you come at me with this? sorry, thats the joy of these forums i thought you were being sarcastic
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 10:51:57 GMT
If Labour had had a credible leader at the last election then Boris may have had a fight on his hands. However they did not so we ended up with Boris. The world is fighting for it's very existence and for my money I glad as far as the UK is concerned we haven't got Corbyn / Abbott running the show. As far as releasing the anchor if the thread could be amended to 'latest from Boris' then iam all for it - This virus is going to kill millions of people, football is rendered absolutely irrelevant, For the next few months maybe years) let's try and get through this for the sake of our families, our businesses and our friends. I thinking in particular to all the older people we know who may not have anyone looking out for them. I iam in the 'at risk category' but fortunately I have a good inner circle of family and friends. There will be many who haven't got this support including a lot of old toteenders. This collectively should surely be of paramount importance to try and establish who has got no one and remedy it - We don't want to lose any of our brothers they are all precious! UTG SSS Politics apart, nice post. My only worry is that I’ve isolated for so long that many stopped visiting. I have a very small circle of true friends but 2 of them live further away. I could be like Benny Hill, not be found for days. It may sound daft to others but it bothers me. It’s ironic really as it all started to go downhill due to caring for my parents, who would get agitated if I went out for longer than half an hour. I just lost touch with so many and never got that back. You can quickly lose any social circle when you become a full time caregiver. I just have to get on with it. This is why I can harp on about my local being bulldozed, it was my last place where I could truly be part of any community that is left. Oh well, at least the sun is out today so am thankful for that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:00:59 GMT
I have clearly stated what great guys boris and donald are and yet you come at me with this? sorry, thats the joy of these forums i thought you were being sarcastic I was being sarcastic. Taking my political bias and dislike for johnson and trump out of the debate i Wonder why our medical advice is totally different to china,korea,denmark,italy and spain?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 11:03:25 GMT
sorry, thats the joy of these forums i thought you were being sarcastic I was being sarcastic. Taking my political bias and dislike for johnson and trump out of the debate i Wonder why our medical advice is totally different to china,korea,denmark,italy and spain? Hi @vertigo i have been purposely avoiding the news. Can you give a brief summary of the difference , please ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:33:48 GMT
I was being sarcastic. Taking my political bias and dislike for johnson and trump out of the debate i Wonder why our medical advice is totally different to china,korea,denmark,italy and spain? Hi @vertigo i have been purposely avoiding the news. Can you give a brief summary of the difference , please ? The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 12:22:15 GMT
sorry, thats the joy of these forums i thought you were being sarcastic I was being sarcastic. Taking my political bias and dislike for johnson and trump out of the debate i Wonder why our medical advice is totally different to china,korea,denmark,italy and spain? time will tell who got it right, for me once its out its about how you manage it, boris following our experts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 12:25:45 GMT
Hi @vertigo i have been purposely avoiding the news. Can you give a brief summary of the difference , please ? The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay. there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay.
does that happen EVERY year through flu ? , your bias trying to score political points stinks , this goverment like every goverment tries
to stop deaths not encourage them
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 12:38:35 GMT
Hi @vertigo i have been purposely avoiding the news. Can you give a brief summary of the difference , please ? The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay. Thank you oldie. Very much appreciated. Glad I was forced to get my affairs in order as it’s one less POS to deal with. I don’t know why but I have no fear over this. Maybe due to having so much of hospitals and doctors ? I will just go about my life as normal, if unwell then I always stay clear of others in any case
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 12:40:41 GMT
The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay. there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay.
does that happen EVERY year through flu ? , your bias trying to score political points stinks , this goverment like every goverment tries
to stop deaths not encourage them
Please please stop trying to invoke a political argument. This is a bona fide strategy, a gamble, but a strategy. There is no absolute right or wrong in macro strategy, we do the best we can within that by taking personal responsibility. Part of that responsibility is the suspension of political debate. That is not relevant until we are passed this. So stop it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 12:43:01 GMT
The answer lies in the gamble on stage 2. After very strict restrictions are lifted the virus will not have gone away. If there is not a good degree of immunity the flare up will start over again. The UK, so far, is gambling that the vast majority who will catch it will recover and be immune, thus restricting a second phase. Along that road there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay. there will be many deaths amongst the elderly and vulnerable. This is a price our Government is prepared to pay.
does that happen EVERY year through flu ? , your bias trying to score political points stinks , this goverment like every goverment tries
to stop deaths not encourage them
Having seen the huge difference in how my 3 ailments were treated and how they are , very much, ignored, has me seeing it very differently. If I had told my GP of what I’m having happen in years passed, I’d be in for a lot of tests but my reply today was I’m not sure I can help you in anyway. No point in detail but I have every single symptom of a silent killer and I don’t even wish to name it. Things have changed & well before this virus
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